CHRISTMAS: SHOULD IT BE CELEBRATED OR REJECTED? YOU DECIDE

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JaumeJ

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B.T.W. - The producers in hollywood are heavy into the khabala.
Isn't it amazing how the vain traditions that the same people who killed the Lord
are alive and well in hollywierd?
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I have never looked into any of the Jewish so-called writings other than the Word. Some of them are supposed to be akin to magic. Since I have been blessed to believe Yeshua, Jesus, I have reasoned never to read writings about the Word unless the author is present to discuss any points of issue. We always have each other here, so that is good. No, not one line of the Cabala have my eyes crossed paths with, and I do not plan on it. The Word is Source Authority with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, nothing other.
 
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It is nothing to do with Yahshua the Messiah it is about their "gods" and their customs and rituals....


The pagans would of been celebrating christmas before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah.

They have tried to hide the truth in their religions....

The queen of heaven was mentioned in the Bible before Yahshua the Messiah was born....

The pagans did not convert they simply found ways to mingle the truth with their beliefs.

That is why i asked, did anything we do at christmas come from the Bible?

Of course we can remember his Birth this day, there is nothing wrong in doing so.


Let us not be ignorant of the fact that the pagans have their own "christ" and that is who is being celebrated by them at this time.
 
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Amen brother.
I haven't studied the Kabbala either,
except I know it incorporates the witchcraft of Simarimis, Nimrod and Tammuz fokelore with
the precedence of the Mosaic law. - - - - In other words, heinous evil.
 
JaumeJ

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Bottom line as far as I am concerned. I am not authorized to condemn anyone for loving the Savior and not knowing about pagan customs in their form of worshiping Him. I am not prepared to do so either.

I have family who love Yeshua, Jesus as their personal savior and savior of all who come to Him in spirit and truth. They love Him dearly. They also have Christmas trees and exchange gifts, none of which I practice but were I to do so, it would be dedicated to Yeshua, not to all of those unfamiliar pagan gods that so many seem to read about and study. It is my desire not to even mention their names.

There is only One Living God, Yahweh in His three Persons. Blessed be Jesus, Yeshua. I continually commemorate His birth and life, amen.
 
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loveme1 said:
It is nothing to do with Yahshua the Messiah it is about their "gods" and their customs and rituals....


The pagans would of been celebrating christmas before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah.

They have tried to hide the truth in their religions....

The queen of heaven was mentioned in the Bible before Yahshua the Messiah was born....

The pagans did not convert they simply found ways to mingle the truth with their beliefs.

That is why i asked, did anything we do at christmas come from the Bible?

Of course we can remember his Birth this day, there is nothing wrong in doing so.


Let us not be ignorant of the fact that the pagans have their own "christ" and that is who is being celebrated by them at this time.
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Yup, or why is it celebrated on Saturnalia?
Certain pagan influence there.
But I thought you had a morsel of why the "X" was used for the greek term for Messiah - 'christos'.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Bottom line as far as I am concerned. I am not authorized to condemn anyone for loving the Savior and not knowing about pagan customs in their form of worshiping Him. I am not prepared to do so either.

I have family who love Yeshua, Jesus as their personal savior and savior of all who come to Him in spirit and truth. They love Him dearly. They also have Christmas trees and exchange gifts, none of which I practice but were I to do so, it would be dedicated to Yeshua, not to all of those unfamiliar pagan gods that so many seem to read about and study. It is my desire not to even mention their names.

There is only One Living God, Yahweh in His three Persons. Blessed be Jesus, Yeshua. I continually commemorate His birth and life, amen.
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Understood Jack. It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh,(material trees and tinsles), profits not a thing.
But you have to admit, those verses in Jeremiah 10:3-9 sum up the modern day christmas tree to a tee do they not?
 
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He was born at the feast of trumpets, .......sometime from late september to very early october(in our calender).
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The world don't think so.

Get enough people togethers and Tell them that and see what will happen to you.

Lets read

Acts 19:23-28 (KJV)
And the same time there arose no small stir about that way. [24] For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; [25] Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. [26] Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: [27] So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. [28] And when they heard these sayings , they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

This will happen to us if we told the truth about Xmas and enough people listened
 
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RickShafer said:
Understood Jack. It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh,(material trees and tinsles), profits not a thing.
But you have to admit, those verses in Jeremiah 10:3-9 sum up the modern day christmas tree to a tee do they not?
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They sure do an The Lord said don't learn the ways and customs

The tree and all the trimmings that surrounds Xmas The Lord said don't do
 
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The modern Christmas tree can easily be traced back to seventeenth century Germany; branches of holly and mistletoe were likewise displayed. Not only did these plants remain green through the winter months, but they also bore fruit at that time, thus symbolizing life in an otherwise dead season.
 
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ozell said:
The world don't think so.

Get enough people togethers and Tell them that and see what will happen to you.

Lets read

Acts 19:23-28 (KJV)
And the same time there arose no small stir about that way. [24] For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; [25] Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. [26] Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: [27] So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. [28] And when they heard these sayings , they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

This will happen to us if we told the truth about Xmas and enough people listened
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Yea, your probably right Ozell.
If the truth came between the 501C3 incorporated church and it's profits, I'm sure the 'holy brethren' would lock up those who disturbed their tax exempt status. (Notice how I shot right past the world and addressed the phoney church incorporated by it?)
 
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Jeremiah 10:1-5,8 (KJV)
Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: [2] Thus saith the Lord , Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. [3] For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. [4] They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. [5] They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. [8] But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

Is the whole world pagan?
In 2012 1 month from today the world will be in full swing doing the Xmas thing.

The world must be pagan
 
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ozell said:
Jeremiah 10:1-5,8 (KJV)
Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: [2] Thus saith the Lord , Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. [3] For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. [4] They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. [5] They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. [8] But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

Is the whole world pagan?
In 2012 1 month from today the world will be in full swing doing the Xmas thing.

The world must be pagan
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Yes.
Sadly, the world marches to a different drummer.
And the true God isn't welcomed in it.
Satan is the god of this world.- (He rules through deception)
And he will let you signify an holy day to Jesus as long as it's on one of his holy days......(Saturnalia).
 
JaumeJ

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Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Jer 10:6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
Jer 10:7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
Jer 10:8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
Jer 10:9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

With previous references and following in the Word, this is all refering to making idols to worship.

The craftsman cuts down a tree, carves it to the desired shape, oftimes plating it with gold or silver, fastening it into place since it cannot walk, talk, eat, or anything at all, being an idol.

These idols are made from the tree's wood yield. I do not believe the tree is left as a tree in these instances, although this reference is not as specific..........? But it does say they speak not etc. in the verses.
 
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But that only strengthens my resolve more.
That Jesus is Lord of a spiritual kingdom, that is not of this earth, "My servants are not of this world, or they would deliver me from your custody"
-He said to Pilate.
No,.......as the world grows more distant from the Holy Truth of God I grow evermore in my resolve.
That I KNOW this place is not my home. And that there is a better place reserved for me.......
up with my King, for whom the world was not worthy.
 
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X = 10

what does the number ten mean to these people?

Does it represent their "christ"
 
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RickShafer said:
Yea, your probably right Ozell.
If the truth came between the 501C3 incorporated church and it's profits, I'm sure the 'holy brethren' would lock up those who disturbed their tax exempt status. (Notice how I shot right past the world and addressed the phoney church incorporated by it?)
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If Jesus came today the world would kill him !
 
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But that only strengthens my resolve more.
That Jesus is Lord of a spiritual kingdom, that is not of this earth, "My servants are not of this world, or they would deliver me from your custody"
-He said to Pilate.
No,.......as the world grows more distant from the Holy Truth of God I grow evermore in my resolve.
That I KNOW this place is not my home. And that there is a better place reserved for me.......
up with my King, for whom the world was not worthy.
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Yet when Jesus comes he will bring his kingdom to this world

Zechariah 14:9 (KJV)
And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord , and his name one.
 
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Yet when Jesus comes he will bring his kingdom to this world

Zechariah 14:9 (KJV)
And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord , and his name one.
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Won't it be the day!!!

A new heaven and a new earth.......where the meek inherit it!!!

No more proud, no more kings, no more presiding nameless, faceless horns-(Daniel ch.7)

Just the God of Life and Love!

Oh that the day would come soon!!!
 
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No, they would seek to, they would not succeed.
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Yea you are right but they will try ad guess who would be leading the charge

The Christian pastor

Jeremiah 10:14-15,21 (KJV)
Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. [15] They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. [21] For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the Lord : therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
 
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