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but the idea as presented here seems far fetched to me as well.
Hugh Ross had an episode on this topic on his show 'Reasons to Believe', and I found to be extremely persuasive.
If you say, 'demons are space aliens' that sounds crazy. If you frame it as demons pretending to be aliens, giving them demonic hallucinations and other experiences, it makes more sense, at least to the mind of someone with a Biblical world view which allows for the existence of demons.
Mules are made from mixing kinds of animals. Mixing different kinds was forbidden in the Torah. It was forbidden, not impossible. Ligers and Tions have been bread as well. Zebras have been cross-bread with horses or donkeys.
Matthew 22:30 tells us "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
The angels in heaven do not marry or reproduce.
But in Jude, we read of angels that sinned that did not keep their proper abode, which we might assume was heaven. The angels in heaven do not marry or give in marriage, but these angels were not in heaven.
Jude
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
II Peter 2 mentions the angels that sinned as well:
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
Notice the sequence, angels sinning, the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot. This is the sequence of events in Genesis, the sons of God and daughters of men passage, the flood, and then Sodom and Gomorrah.
If a group of angels fell with Satan and became demons, then who are these angels who sinned before the flood who were already bound and reserved to judgement? Why wasn't Satan already bound at this time if he was a part of the group Peter speaks of here?
Matthew 22:30 tells us "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
The angels in heaven do not marry or reproduce.
But in Jude, we read of angels that sinned that did not keep their proper abode, which we might assume was heaven. The angels in heaven do not marry or give in marriage, but these angels were not in heaven.
Jude
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
II Peter 2 mentions the angels that sinned as well:
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
Notice the sequence, angels sinning, the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot. This is the sequence of events in Genesis, the sons of God and daughters of men passage, the flood, and then Sodom and Gomorrah.
If a group of angels fell with Satan and became demons, then who are these angels who sinned before the flood who were already bound and reserved to judgement? Why wasn't Satan already bound at this time if he was a part of the group Peter speaks of here?
Up front we need to all admit that we dabble in speculation with this stuff. It appears to me that there was a significant DNA problem with the human race, that was likely brought on by fallen angelic beings mating with humans.
Jesus says the end times will be like the days of Noah. This could mean another DNA problem. Is that really a stretch? I don't think so. I have read article after article of how these "scientists" are manipulating humans DNA. Whether it be gene editing for sex selection and disease avoidance, or actual mixing of human and animal parts, this pollution of human DNA IS happening.
Having said that, I do agree there is a danger in relying on the Book of Enoch for ANYTHING. If the Lord wanted that book as part of His message system to us it would be in our Bible. I think the God of the Universe is more than capable of giving us what HE wants us to know.
That's still not 'false prophesying' in the Biblical sense of the word prophesying. Making a false prediction isn't false prophecy in the Biblical sense unless the one predicting it is doing it in the name of the Lord, claiming the LORD said it (or prophesying in the name of a false god, another kind of activity another type of false prophet engaged in.)
Wrongly predicting the future based on poor Bible interpretation is teaching error, not the same thing as false prophesying.
Wrongly predicting the future based on poor Bible interpretation is teaching error, not the same thing as false prophesying.
I really don't know if this even deserves an answer! If you had been here long enough to have read any of my posts, you would find that not only did God save me, but that I have been filled with the Holy Ghost ever since that day, over 37 years ago.
I have also studied to show myself approved, and God has done an amazing work, not just in saving me, but in changing me from the wretch I was, into someone who loves, serves and follows Jesus Christ.
I guess the central issue, is that God HAS given me direction, as far as believing in aliens, or fallen angels cavorting with humans. The answer is NO! That never happened! And JohnnyB has very nicely explained why this did not happen, with Scripture.
All the people thinking these bizarre interpretations of Scripture, really need to seek the Holy Spirit and acquire some discernment. I can't believe how many people sincerely believe all this nonsense about aliens and fallen angels, aka as demons. Or something!
Get a grip, Bladerunner! God works in marvelous ways, but when the flood came, it had to do with the sins of men, not the sexual interaction between heavenly beings and/or aliens.
(Shakes head! What will they believe next??)
I wish you wouldn't leave this thread. You seem to be the only person posting Scriptures to show the truth. And you also do not believe in all these absurd fantasies! That is worth a lot, just by itself!
Besides, that is sadly, the way things go here. 100's of pages on the same idea, people fight tooth and nail, and hardly anyone is convinced. Well, I guess we can avoid those types of post, can't we?
Hi Blade, than you for post. How I can have something against a teacher who is based on the scripture? Who then createt those hidden codes? Who createt the software to decode these Codes? Why God should give hidden codes, which is only to decode from our generation, but the christians before the computer age had no chance to find out these codes
I am convinced that God reveales everything what a christian need to know without code in His written word.
You wrote:
I think you have the compassion of a Christian for the people. The Bible codes do not tells us that they were put there by Aliens. Certainly Chuck Missler does not tell you in any of the reading, videos I have ever seen of him tell you they were put there by ALIENS. unless you consider GOD and alien.In my opinion, He is one of the truely great teachers.
He also tells you to NOT BELIEVE a WORD of what he says. but rather like the Bereans in Act 17:11..."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." NOW Ask yourself,,,,,,HAVE YOU REALLY DONE THIS?
I cant find in the bible hints of aliens. Chuck Missler is quotet from Bill Wiese, that he is believing that the Prophet Jona had a hell expierience! I cant find this in the scripture! He was in the belly of the whale, but not in the hell!
Can you deny that Chuck Missler believes in Aliens which are living in our cosmos?
Here a quote from Jeemy James:
"Chuck Missler is a well known figure in Evangelical circles. While building a reputation as a champion of conservative Christianity, he has also pursued a parallel career as an explorer of what might be termed
Quantum Spirituality, whose exponents seek a direct connection between Biblical truth and the phenomena of modern Physics. His more traditional followers probably regard this aspect of his work as an eccentricity, the product of a fertile imagination and a restless mind. With the passage of time, however, these two streams of his teaching have been coming together to form a new kind of Christianity, where long-established Biblical concepts about the universe are being reinterpreted in a radically new way. Chief among these is his concept of aHolographic Universe, which completely overturns the account of Creation given in Genesis. However, he is also promoting the Nephilim theory, which asserts that the universe is populated by aliens or alien-human hybrids, and the theory that man can actually communicate with the dead, despite stern Biblical warnings to the contrary. He even endorses, through his newsletter, the scandalous bestseller,
Jesus Calling By Sarah Young, which offers channeled messages from a phony New-Age 'Jesus'. In addition he is promoting a method of Biblical interpretation that relies on the identification of secret codes and hidden messages in the original Bible manuscripts." Quote from: www.zephania.eu Jeremy James: "Chuck Missler and his “Holographic” Universe".
Of shure this Jeremy James can be wrong too, but why he should write false things about Chuck Missler. For me is somebody who endores obvious false teacher like Sarah Young very suspect!
I believe your opinion is that everything he tells you is false. that is ok. it also appears to be your opinion that he is a FALSE teacher. BUT it also appears that you did not really do what the teacher asked you to do before you formed that opinion. In this case, it is very sad.
I cant say that everything what he is teaching is wrong, but it is very dangerous if somebody who made good biblical teachings, also teaches things which are not biblical. Such one is more dangeorus, he is able to deceive people easily, because he teaches also right things!
God bless you!
Wolfgang
I am convinced that God reveales everything what a christian need to know without code in His written word.
You wrote:
I think you have the compassion of a Christian for the people. The Bible codes do not tells us that they were put there by Aliens. Certainly Chuck Missler does not tell you in any of the reading, videos I have ever seen of him tell you they were put there by ALIENS. unless you consider GOD and alien.In my opinion, He is one of the truely great teachers.
He also tells you to NOT BELIEVE a WORD of what he says. but rather like the Bereans in Act 17:11..."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." NOW Ask yourself,,,,,,HAVE YOU REALLY DONE THIS?
I cant find in the bible hints of aliens. Chuck Missler is quotet from Bill Wiese, that he is believing that the Prophet Jona had a hell expierience! I cant find this in the scripture! He was in the belly of the whale, but not in the hell!
Can you deny that Chuck Missler believes in Aliens which are living in our cosmos?
Here a quote from Jeemy James:
"Chuck Missler is a well known figure in Evangelical circles. While building a reputation as a champion of conservative Christianity, he has also pursued a parallel career as an explorer of what might be termed
Quantum Spirituality, whose exponents seek a direct connection between Biblical truth and the phenomena of modern Physics. His more traditional followers probably regard this aspect of his work as an eccentricity, the product of a fertile imagination and a restless mind. With the passage of time, however, these two streams of his teaching have been coming together to form a new kind of Christianity, where long-established Biblical concepts about the universe are being reinterpreted in a radically new way. Chief among these is his concept of aHolographic Universe, which completely overturns the account of Creation given in Genesis. However, he is also promoting the Nephilim theory, which asserts that the universe is populated by aliens or alien-human hybrids, and the theory that man can actually communicate with the dead, despite stern Biblical warnings to the contrary. He even endorses, through his newsletter, the scandalous bestseller,
Jesus Calling By Sarah Young, which offers channeled messages from a phony New-Age 'Jesus'. In addition he is promoting a method of Biblical interpretation that relies on the identification of secret codes and hidden messages in the original Bible manuscripts." Quote from: www.zephania.eu Jeremy James: "Chuck Missler and his “Holographic” Universe".
Of shure this Jeremy James can be wrong too, but why he should write false things about Chuck Missler. For me is somebody who endores obvious false teacher like Sarah Young very suspect!
I believe your opinion is that everything he tells you is false. that is ok. it also appears to be your opinion that he is a FALSE teacher. BUT it also appears that you did not really do what the teacher asked you to do before you formed that opinion. In this case, it is very sad.
I cant say that everything what he is teaching is wrong, but it is very dangerous if somebody who made good biblical teachings, also teaches things which are not biblical. Such one is more dangeorus, he is able to deceive people easily, because he teaches also right things!
God bless you!
Wolfgang
I wish I could find that old Hugh Ross episode online somewhere. Hugh Ross is a pastor and an astrophysicist, born in Canada as a matter of fact. He was raised an atheist. As an atheist graduate student, he realized that he could spend countless hours staring into a big telescope and not see any UFOs, yet certain people could see them after a short while. He wondered if it was something about the people that made them think they could see UFOs.
Later, he became a Christian. He was one of the few astrophysicists who interviewed UFO abductees. What he found in his interviews was that in the cases of people whose experiences could not be explained away by natural phenomenon or things like weather balloons, that the more involved they were with the occult, the more likely they were to see UFOs, talk to aliens, etc. The ones who dabbled in the occult might see something in the sky. The ones who were deep into it might report being abducted.
He said that during the Cold War, Russian scientists experimented with occultic phenomenon, and tended to have a lot more citings of UFOs. But their dabbling in the occult made them more susceptible. (This point is fuzzy in my mind. It's been about 20 years.)
He had a lot of other points as well. UFO phenomenon in people's testimonies violated the laws of physics, which caused him to conclude they were not natural phenomenon, fast ships turning at 90 degrees, like stopping at one point instead of disappating.
He told about two agnostic scientists who both concluded that reports of encounters with UFOs were similar to if not identical to accounts of encounters with demons. One made a report for the US Congress as some sort of commission, so he was considered an expert in the field.
Hugh Ross didn't say anything about aliens trying to mess with the gene pool or create new Nephilim, You don't have to believe that to think that UFO abduction phenomenon is often just another form of occult experience.
Later, he became a Christian. He was one of the few astrophysicists who interviewed UFO abductees. What he found in his interviews was that in the cases of people whose experiences could not be explained away by natural phenomenon or things like weather balloons, that the more involved they were with the occult, the more likely they were to see UFOs, talk to aliens, etc. The ones who dabbled in the occult might see something in the sky. The ones who were deep into it might report being abducted.
He said that during the Cold War, Russian scientists experimented with occultic phenomenon, and tended to have a lot more citings of UFOs. But their dabbling in the occult made them more susceptible. (This point is fuzzy in my mind. It's been about 20 years.)
He had a lot of other points as well. UFO phenomenon in people's testimonies violated the laws of physics, which caused him to conclude they were not natural phenomenon, fast ships turning at 90 degrees, like stopping at one point instead of disappating.
He told about two agnostic scientists who both concluded that reports of encounters with UFOs were similar to if not identical to accounts of encounters with demons. One made a report for the US Congress as some sort of commission, so he was considered an expert in the field.
Hugh Ross didn't say anything about aliens trying to mess with the gene pool or create new Nephilim, You don't have to believe that to think that UFO abduction phenomenon is often just another form of occult experience.
Hi Pres: We know that the word Nephilim meant giant because it is used after the flood when referring to giants around 10 feet tall. The giants before the flood were completely destroyed by God in the flood so the giants after the flood could not have come from them. We have a short history of the giants and then it stops, if they were true humans(just large) then they had to come from one of the sons of Noah. Modern giants are not really giants, they are normal people who had a hormone problem and are usually weak and do not live long. The giants in the bible after the flood were a race of people not freaks of nature.
Hi Pres: Interesting post about those who are in the occult being more likely to have alien encounters. I knew a fellow in the Navy who read all he could get his hands on about aliens and he later became famous by writing several books about alien encounters and some were even made into movies. I think he opened himself up for the encounters.
One who teaches the Bible as it is written is likely to NOT be a false Teacher or preacher. Rem....Most False teachers/ preachers with remove scripture to fit their own agenda. I like Chuck would not remove or set-aside one line of the wonderfully divinely made Word of GOD.
It appears you are trying to justify you beliefs by reading articles by others that trash others. My best advice is this... Like the Bereans Acts 17:11....."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
It appears you are trying to justify you beliefs by reading articles by others that trash others. My best advice is this... Like the Bereans Acts 17:11....."These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
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The past few nights, I watched the 24 part series that somebody had uploaded to YouTube with Chuck Missler going through the Book of Revelation. I enjoyed it. It was educational and I liked his presentation style where he would go through particular points with a lot of detail. I didn't feel like he was talking down to me, and I liked that.
Yeah, God's Word actually teaches this... it's where the giants came from. The Book of Jude speaks about this as well.
They have archeological proof of giant humans. satan wanted to dilute and compromise humanity to prevent the Perfect God Man (Jesus) from being born that God warned satan about in the garden... this is why God had the flood to destroy these beings.
Genesis 6:1-8
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Yeah, he send invisible beings out sometimes to whack people with falling heavy stuff
They have archeological proof of giant humans. satan wanted to dilute and compromise humanity to prevent the Perfect God Man (Jesus) from being born that God warned satan about in the garden... this is why God had the flood to destroy these beings.
Genesis 6:1-8
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Yeah, he send invisible beings out sometimes to whack people with falling heavy stuff
Hey brother, read Luke 17, where he adds Lot to the Noah story, it just talking about judgement. With people just living life as those Jesus is never coming back or that there's no punishment for sin, like today, Noah's days or Lot's days. The kicker is Jesus says, "remember Lot's wife", as you know she looked back and became a pillar of salt. There's a place by the Dead Sea that has salt and the guide will tell you that is Lot's wife, if I remember right it a tourist spot.