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Colossians is a different letter. Paul worded himself different due to what was being given to him by GOD. Out of the 21 instances that the phrase "the law of Moses" is used in the Old and New Testament, not one time is in used in reference to the Decalogue (the Ten Commandments). But to that which is written, scribed, obeyed: etc...
Here they are:
Josh 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
And what was written in the book was written on the alter on the Mt. Ebal.
Josh 8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.
Josh 23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
1Kgs 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
2Kgs 14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
2Kgs 23:25 And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.
2Chr 23:18 Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the LORD by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the LORD, to offer the burnt offerings of the LORD, as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David.
2Chr 30:16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.
Ezra 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
Ezra 7:6 This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he was a ready scribe in the law of Moses, which the LORD God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of the LORD his God upon him.
A scribe is someone who makes copies. This was done quite often of the written Law of Moses.
Neh 8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.
The book of the Law of Moses not the Tablets which contained the Ten.
Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Dan 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Which HE commanded Moses.The Ten were spoken to all of Israel the handwritten Decrees (the Law of Moses) was not All the people perceived the voice, and the lamps, and the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking. And fearing, all the people stood afar off.
And they said to Moses, You speak to us, and do not let GOD speak to us lest we might die.
Now for the New Testament?
Luke 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
The Laws pertaining to purification according to the law of Moses were in the Book not the Tablets.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me,because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
The Law of circumcision was written in the Law of Moses not the Tablets which contained the Ten.
Acts 13:38,39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The subject is the forgiveness of sin.
Acts 15:5,
Circumcision was contained in the written Decrees (the Law of Moses) not the Decalogue. As was abstaining f
There are prophesies and testimonies concerning Christ in the Law of Moses (the written Decrees)which should be shared when sharing the Gospel. They Testify of Him.
1Cor 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
Written in the law of Moses. Not the Decalogue; but in the handwriting to the Decrees. These are which contained what we needed to receive forgiveness. Since we have sanctification and forgiveness in Christ Jesus the laws pertaining these are not needed.
Here they are:
Josh 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
And what was written in the book was written on the alter on the Mt. Ebal.
Josh 8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.
Josh 23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
1Kgs 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
2Kgs 14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
2Kgs 23:25 And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.
2Chr 23:18 Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the LORD by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the LORD, to offer the burnt offerings of the LORD, as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David.
2Chr 30:16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.
Ezra 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
Ezra 7:6 This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he was a ready scribe in the law of Moses, which the LORD God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of the LORD his God upon him.
A scribe is someone who makes copies. This was done quite often of the written Law of Moses.
Neh 8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.
The book of the Law of Moses not the Tablets which contained the Ten.
Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Dan 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Which HE commanded Moses.The Ten were spoken to all of Israel the handwritten Decrees (the Law of Moses) was not All the people perceived the voice, and the lamps, and the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking. And fearing, all the people stood afar off.
And they said to Moses, You speak to us, and do not let GOD speak to us lest we might die.
Exod 20:18,19
Now for the New Testament?
Luke 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
The Laws pertaining to purification according to the law of Moses were in the Book not the Tablets.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me,because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
The Law of circumcision was written in the Law of Moses not the Tablets which contained the Ten.
Acts 13:38,39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The subject is the forgiveness of sin.
Acts 15:5,
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But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.Circumcision was contained in the written Decrees (the Law of Moses) not the Decalogue. As was abstaining f
rom pollutions of idols, fornication, things strangled, and from blood. Obviously abstaining from fornication is still active. With that being said, one should realize that not all of the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross. But let's stay on topic okay?
Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
There are prophesies and testimonies concerning Christ in the Law of Moses (the written Decrees)which should be shared when sharing the Gospel. They Testify of Him.
1Cor 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
Written in the law of Moses. Not the Decalogue; but in the handwriting to the Decrees. These are which contained what we needed to receive forgiveness. Since we have sanctification and forgiveness in Christ Jesus the laws pertaining these are not needed.
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I understand that rebellion and disobedience come from within and defile a man. I disagree that Moses wrote the "handwriting of ordinances" that are against us in Col. 2.
I used to think this way recently. I thought that "death" was the ordinance that is against us. But even that was created for our understanding as Paul teaches.
Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Not against us.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
So even our death as a result of transgressing God's Commandments is doing a good work in us. By this stiff penalty we might understand how exceedingly important it is listen to God and follow Him, not the traditions of man.
I am not saying that it is wrong to believe that Jesus nailed our death to His Cross, His death ushered in many things in fulfillment of His Fathers Word, and He did indeed take men's sins upon Him.
But in the Context of Col. 2, and the reference to "Rudiments of the world", "and traditions of men", "and vain deceit", and the handwriting of ordinances that were against Paul and the Gentiles, I believe Paul is speaking to the "laws" the mainstream preachers of his time had created that taught the Jews couldn't come to God unless they followed their religion which those who study know was not the "Law of Moses".
Great thought though
I used to think this way recently. I thought that "death" was the ordinance that is against us. But even that was created for our understanding as Paul teaches.
Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Not against us.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
So even our death as a result of transgressing God's Commandments is doing a good work in us. By this stiff penalty we might understand how exceedingly important it is listen to God and follow Him, not the traditions of man.
I am not saying that it is wrong to believe that Jesus nailed our death to His Cross, His death ushered in many things in fulfillment of His Fathers Word, and He did indeed take men's sins upon Him.
But in the Context of Col. 2, and the reference to "Rudiments of the world", "and traditions of men", "and vain deceit", and the handwriting of ordinances that were against Paul and the Gentiles, I believe Paul is speaking to the "laws" the mainstream preachers of his time had created that taught the Jews couldn't come to God unless they followed their religion which those who study know was not the "Law of Moses".
Great thought though
Maybe just a technicality but.
Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
These seem to have accepted Jesus. I mean look at the scripture. These claimed Jesus as their Lord. They gave Him the credit for all their "works". They taught and performed "many" actions all in His name, helped people all in His name.
How can a person say they did not "Accept Jesus"?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
According to these scriptures, these guys claimed they "Accepted Jesus" but their "belief", their "Faith" was not accepted by Jesus.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but given these scriptures it might behoove us to quantify what "Accepting Jesus" means.
Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
These seem to have accepted Jesus. I mean look at the scripture. These claimed Jesus as their Lord. They gave Him the credit for all their "works". They taught and performed "many" actions all in His name, helped people all in His name.
How can a person say they did not "Accept Jesus"?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
According to these scriptures, these guys claimed they "Accepted Jesus" but their "belief", their "Faith" was not accepted by Jesus.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but given these scriptures it might behoove us to quantify what "Accepting Jesus" means.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They did confess Jesus as Lord,and labored for the kingdom of God,which Jesus was not against them for laboring for the kingdom of God,but they did not do the will of the Father,and that is to depart from iniquity.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
This is the seal that all who name the name of Christ depart from iniquity by the Spirit,for if they hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit can abstain from sin,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections,and show the ways of the Spirit,and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able,and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Some people have a form of godliness,but they deny the Spirit leading them.They go to Church,preach the Gospel,labor somewhat for the kingdom,but they never come to the truth that sin does affect their relationship with God,but hold unto sin thinking that they are right with God.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
No person says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,so God was working in their life but they never came to the truth because they would not let go of the fleshy ways entirely.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
God knows the heart of people,and if their heart condition is right He will call them,and work with them to get them to the truth,but not all make it to the truth,and that truth is to abstain from sins by the Spirit.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They were called because they confessed Jesus as Lord,but they held unto sin thinking that they were right with God,and sin did not affect their relationship with Him,and were not chosen.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They did confess Jesus as Lord,and labored for the kingdom of God,which Jesus was not against them for laboring for the kingdom of God,but they did not do the will of the Father,and that is to depart from iniquity.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
This is the seal that all who name the name of Christ depart from iniquity by the Spirit,for if they hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit can abstain from sin,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections,and show the ways of the Spirit,and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able,and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Some people have a form of godliness,but they deny the Spirit leading them.They go to Church,preach the Gospel,labor somewhat for the kingdom,but they never come to the truth that sin does affect their relationship with God,but hold unto sin thinking that they are right with God.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
No person says Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost,so God was working in their life but they never came to the truth because they would not let go of the fleshy ways entirely.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
God knows the heart of people,and if their heart condition is right He will call them,and work with them to get them to the truth,but not all make it to the truth,and that truth is to abstain from sins by the Spirit.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They were called because they confessed Jesus as Lord,but they held unto sin thinking that they were right with God,and sin did not affect their relationship with Him,and were not chosen.
It looks like this:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
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Yep it looks like that
How do we do it? By focusing on the commandments, Or focusing on God and our neighbors.
I grew up in churches who tried to do it by focusing on the law. Even did it myself for years. Saw how futile a task it was. Did not find true victory until I started to focus on God and others. And took my eyes off myself (the law and how well I am following it)
How do we do it? By focusing on the commandments, Or focusing on God and our neighbors.
I grew up in churches who tried to do it by focusing on the law. Even did it myself for years. Saw how futile a task it was. Did not find true victory until I started to focus on God and others. And took my eyes off myself (the law and how well I am following it)
First I would say we have to be careful we are not using the "where is our focus" to find another way is make His Laws of no effect, but if that is not the intent then I woul say like this:
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, ifyou do whatever I command you."
1 Peter/Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in YHWH, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH."
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, ifyou do whatever I command you."
1 Peter/Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in YHWH, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH."
EG I also want to ask you 3 questions;
1 when did you come to the realazation that the Law is not bad or dane away?
2 how do you think it should be implemented in the life of a believer?
3 If all the Law is still valid do we choose what Laws we obey or can we alter them or what, because if Im not mistaken you believe the 7th day Sabbath has been changed?
1 when did you come to the realazation that the Law is not bad or dane away?
2 how do you think it should be implemented in the life of a believer?
3 If all the Law is still valid do we choose what Laws we obey or can we alter them or what, because if Im not mistaken you believe the 7th day Sabbath has been changed?
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You will do whatever your heart wants to do. So to day it is dangerous to use “where our focus is” is just wrong.
If our focus is on serving others. We will by practice obey the law
If our focus is on the law. Wow will by practice be forced to 1. Lie to ourselves how good we are doing it (non of us can keep it) water it down, so we do not look so bad, judge others, because it takes our focus off ourselves. And finally, be so focused on self. We are not actually going out to serve others.
And please. Do not say this is not true, I not only lived it out. I have witnessed it for decades with people who were right there with me.
I understand that rebellion and disobedience come from within and defile a man. I disagree that Moses wrote the "handwriting of ordinances" that are against us in Col. 2.
I used to think this way recently. I thought that "death" was the ordinance that is against us. But even that was created for our understanding as Paul teaches.
Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Not against us.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
So even our death as a result of transgressing God's Commandments is doing a good work in us. By this stiff penalty we might understand how exceedingly important it is listen to God and follow Him, not the traditions of man.
I am not saying that it is wrong to believe that Jesus nailed our death to His Cross, His death ushered in many things in fulfillment of His Fathers Word, and He did indeed take men's sins upon Him.
But in the Context of Col. 2, and the reference to "Rudiments of the world", "and traditions of men", "and vain deceit", and the handwriting of ordinances that were against Paul and the Gentiles, I believe Paul is speaking to the "laws" the mainstream preachers of his time had created that taught the Jews couldn't come to God unless they followed their religion which those who study know was not the "Law of Moses".
Great thought though
I used to think this way recently. I thought that "death" was the ordinance that is against us. But even that was created for our understanding as Paul teaches.
Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Not against us.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
So even our death as a result of transgressing God's Commandments is doing a good work in us. By this stiff penalty we might understand how exceedingly important it is listen to God and follow Him, not the traditions of man.
I am not saying that it is wrong to believe that Jesus nailed our death to His Cross, His death ushered in many things in fulfillment of His Fathers Word, and He did indeed take men's sins upon Him.
But in the Context of Col. 2, and the reference to "Rudiments of the world", "and traditions of men", "and vain deceit", and the handwriting of ordinances that were against Paul and the Gentiles, I believe Paul is speaking to the "laws" the mainstream preachers of his time had created that taught the Jews couldn't come to God unless they followed their religion which those who study know was not the "Law of Moses".
Great thought though
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I never thought it was. It was not the law that has been the problem, it has always been people interpretation of it.
As I have said many times, The two commands, Love the lord your God with all your heart and your neighbor (everyone) as yourself. Seek after the things of the spirit. And you will not FULFILL the lust of the flesh (break the law)
Lol.. I reject the self righteous form of sabbath obeying as spoken of by most jewish roots,/law enforcers.
The sabbath is a day of rest, To preparing for another week of hard work. We all should take a day of rest. I have never spoken against it, I will however stand against the self righteous people who think the sabbath is set in stone and people who do not follow it are not saved or extreme sinners.. (remove the plank, put your stones down, because you are not without sin)
As for what laws should we obey, Again your focused on letters. I am focused on serving people. Letters will not make me a righteous person, At best it will make me self righteous.
If I focus on serving others, i will not break the letters, nor will I break the spirits (which are not contained int he letters) Gods requirment is perfection. Unless you think you can be perfect. All the law can do for you is condemn you.
As I have said many times, The two commands, Love the lord your God with all your heart and your neighbor (everyone) as yourself. Seek after the things of the spirit. And you will not FULFILL the lust of the flesh (break the law)
Lol.. I reject the self righteous form of sabbath obeying as spoken of by most jewish roots,/law enforcers.
The sabbath is a day of rest, To preparing for another week of hard work. We all should take a day of rest. I have never spoken against it, I will however stand against the self righteous people who think the sabbath is set in stone and people who do not follow it are not saved or extreme sinners.. (remove the plank, put your stones down, because you are not without sin)
As for what laws should we obey, Again your focused on letters. I am focused on serving people. Letters will not make me a righteous person, At best it will make me self righteous.
If I focus on serving others, i will not break the letters, nor will I break the spirits (which are not contained int he letters) Gods requirment is perfection. Unless you think you can be perfect. All the law can do for you is condemn you.
Heh... Ohhh... Yeah you are taking part of what Im saying and twisting it or misunderstanding me.
If one is saying "focus on Jesus" but only to make Yah's Law of noe effect then they are indeed in error., you isolate my words and ignore what I actually said.
Also, everyone does not fall into your 2 catagories, people are different. You are over sterotyping. People can focus on love and study the Law to see what Yah says love is to make sure they are loving according to what Yah calls love rather than letting their imagination choose what love is, also check the written Word to see if the spirit that is leading them matches the word which is the Spirit of Yah. If their version of love, or the spirit they follow is not in accord with what is written they are not in Yah's Spirit.
Your 2 groups did not include these types of people, that A. check the word to ensure they are on the right path or B don't check the word and makje up a path of their imagination. And there are many other types of people, everyone is actually different. The only real group you can group people into IMO are those who follow Yah and those who do not. It will generally lokk the same, but people are so different there is no exact groupiong one can put others into.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi 3:14-18, “You have said, ‘It is worthless to serve Yah. And what did we gain when we guarded His Charge, and when we walked as mourners before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts? And now we are calling the proud blessed – not only are the doers of wrongness built up, but they also try Yah and escape. Then shall those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak to one another, and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]listens and hears, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and those who think upon His Name. And they shall be Mine,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, “on the day that I prepare a treasured possession. And I shall spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wrong, between one who serves Yah and one who does not serve Him."[/FONT]
If one is saying "focus on Jesus" but only to make Yah's Law of noe effect then they are indeed in error., you isolate my words and ignore what I actually said.
Also, everyone does not fall into your 2 catagories, people are different. You are over sterotyping. People can focus on love and study the Law to see what Yah says love is to make sure they are loving according to what Yah calls love rather than letting their imagination choose what love is, also check the written Word to see if the spirit that is leading them matches the word which is the Spirit of Yah. If their version of love, or the spirit they follow is not in accord with what is written they are not in Yah's Spirit.
Your 2 groups did not include these types of people, that A. check the word to ensure they are on the right path or B don't check the word and makje up a path of their imagination. And there are many other types of people, everyone is actually different. The only real group you can group people into IMO are those who follow Yah and those who do not. It will generally lokk the same, but people are so different there is no exact groupiong one can put others into.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi 3:14-18, “You have said, ‘It is worthless to serve Yah. And what did we gain when we guarded His Charge, and when we walked as mourners before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts? And now we are calling the proud blessed – not only are the doers of wrongness built up, but they also try Yah and escape. Then shall those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak to one another, and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]listens and hears, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and those who think upon His Name. And they shall be Mine,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, “on the day that I prepare a treasured possession. And I shall spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wrong, between one who serves Yah and one who does not serve Him."[/FONT]
Nothing to do with "Jews following commands" - The Greek "stoicheion" is used by Paul in Galatians (elements of the world) in regards to the Mosaic observances - in Colossians he is doing the same thing.
Adam Clarke's commentary:
Col 2:20
If ye be dead with Christ -
From the rudiments of the world - Ye have renounced all hope of salvation from the observance of Jewish rites and ceremonies, which were only rudiments, first elements, or the alphabet, out of which the whole science of Christianity was composed.
We have often seen that the world and this world signify the Jewish dispensation, or the rites, ceremonies, and services performed under it.
Adam Clarke's commentary:
Col 2:20
If ye be dead with Christ -
From the rudiments of the world - Ye have renounced all hope of salvation from the observance of Jewish rites and ceremonies, which were only rudiments, first elements, or the alphabet, out of which the whole science of Christianity was composed.
We have often seen that the world and this world signify the Jewish dispensation, or the rites, ceremonies, and services performed under it.
