Colossians 2.

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This is what I mean; If someone is twisting the Law it is not love, but someone is truly applying the Law in its true intention it is love.

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete



Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."


1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

(goal)is word #G5056 –télos; Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

1 John 4:20, “"If someone says, "I love Yah," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love Yah whom he has not seen."

1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”


1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
what does this have to do what our conversation? Your changing the subject again, Again, why do you continue to do this every time we get to the final point?

If I love God, And I love all men and women, even those who persecute me, And live a life of serving (in love) others. Am I going to be obedient to God. Or am I going to be disobedient to God?

I am not talking about people who twist the law. Nor do I wish to talk about them, I want to talk what obedience looks like and HOW IT IS Accomplished .
 

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The law can only judge write and wrong so far. It was not given for that purpose. And it requires perfection.

Why keep focusing on something not given for that purpose. I can just righteous judgment, If I see a person putting their needs over others peoples needs, i can judge they are in sin. The law will not help me do that, I can not use the law when I am guilty of breaking the law myself.
I see what Hiz is saying. That our understanding and doctrine should come from the Word of God and not through man's religious traditions or rudiments of the World. That we should listen to God and Trust His Word, over the Word of Man.

Jesus Focused on keeping Himself in submission to His Father's Word, which included His Fathers instructions. WE can't "Walk even as he walked" and not acknowledge His attention to His Father's Word.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

He spent a great deal of time exposing a Mainstream religion of His time that claimed to serve God, but in "works" denied Him. This same "exposing" of man made religions in the name of God, was going on for a long time, as Stephen points out in Acts.

As "Believers" we are to continue to expose doctrines that are from man, and not from God out of both our Love for God, and our Love for the Brethren. Paul was doing this in Col. 2.

First we let His Light expose the evil within us, so we can see it and rule over it as God/Jesus instructed Cain from the very beginning.

Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Then we use this same "Light" to discern the words and traditions of man's traditions around us.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

How can I help a brother if I am blinded. As Paul says;

1 Cor. 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

What does Paul keep his body in subjection to? Man's Righteousness, man's religious traditions? Or did he trust God's Word and "believe" the teaching of the Law and Prophets that Jesus walked in?

Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.(Death)

Rom. 6:14 For sin(Transgression of God's Laws) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,(Dead) but under grace.(Alive through Christ)

15 What then? shall we sin, (Continue to follow traditions and doctrines of man that transgress the Commandments of God?)because we are not (dead) under the law, but under grace? (Alive) God forbid.


16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin(Disobedience to God) unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?



17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.


18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

So as the scriptures and Hiz is saying, we all have sin(men's religious traditions and rudiments of the world, our own righteousness) in us, and we all have the Words of God in us. As Jesus declared before becoming a man.

Duet. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:


20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

I believe we should focus on the Choice Jesus set before us. That is the reason for my posts.
 

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Incorrect!! It is completely in line with what I was saying about the quote of Jesus. The law is in effect until heaven and earth disappear!!!

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until all is accomplished"

helpful to accurately quote Jesus :)

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accomplished" - genētai - "finished" or "manifested" or "occured"


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it is finished" - tetelestai - "accomplished" or "paid in full" or "ended"


what exactly was manifested and completely accomplished at the cross?
 
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I see what Hiz is saying. That our understanding and doctrine should come from the Word of God and not through man's religious traditions or rudiments of the World. That we should listen to God and Trust His Word, over the Word of Man.
I am giving the word of God.

Love the lord your God, and your neighbor as yourself. Even those who are your enemy, and those who persecute you. Seek after the things of the spirit, and you will NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh (break Gods law)

so please...
 

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Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

Paul is talking about the statues of the Mosaic religion and it's rituals.
Putting the verse in context with the NIV. Rudiments becomes "elemental spiritual forces".

Colossians 2:16 to 24
Freedom From Human Rules


16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
 
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"
until all is accomplished"

helpful to accurately quote Jesus :)

"
accomplished" - genētai - "finished" or "manifested" or "occured"


"
it is finished" - tetelestai - "accomplished" or "paid in full" or "ended"


what exactly was manifested and completely accomplished at the cross?
are their still unbelievers who have yet to be led by the schoolmaster to the cross?
 

Hizikyah

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what does this have to do what our conversation? Your changing the subject again, Again, why do you continue to do this every time we get to the final point?

If I love God, And I love all men and women, even those who persecute me, And live a life of serving (in love) others. Am I going to be obedient to God. Or am I going to be disobedient to God?

I am not talking about people who twist the law. Nor do I wish to talk about them, I want to talk what obedience looks like and HOW IT IS Accomplished .
You said the Law is not love right? or no? It is my point that the true intent of the Law is love and that guarding it properly is loving. Also that a false approach to the Law is not the Law and is not love, we can not look at a false application of it and say it's not loving. Example: Just because the praisees rejected it for their man made law does not witness against YHWH or His Law.

Also "how it is accomplished" you ask this evey time we talk and I answer it every time, I asnwered it in the first post of this conversation. You seem to continually try to lead it away from obedience into some whispy salf standar of what love is rather than subbmitting to what His standard is, maybe you dont do that in reality, I dont know you, but you presentation seems to go in that direction.

We apply it by His Spirit:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
 

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I see what Hiz is saying. That our understanding and doctrine should come from the Word of God and not through man's religious traditions or rudiments of the World. That we should listen to God and Trust His Word, over the Word of Man.

Jesus Focused on keeping Himself in submission to His Father's Word, which included His Fathers instructions. WE can't "Walk even as he walked" and not acknowledge His attention to His Father's Word.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

He spent a great deal of time exposing a Mainstream religion of His time that claimed to serve God, but in "works" denied Him. This same "exposing" of man made religions in the name of God, was going on for a long time, as Stephen points out in Acts.

As "Believers" we are to continue to expose doctrines that are from man, and not from God out of both our Love for God, and our Love for the Brethren. Paul was doing this in Col. 2.

First we let His Light expose the evil within us, so we can see it and rule over it as God/Jesus instructed Cain from the very beginning.

Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Then we use this same "Light" to discern the words and traditions of man's traditions around us.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

How can I help a brother if I am blinded. As Paul says;

1 Cor. 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

What does Paul keep his body in subjection to? Man's Righteousness, man's religious traditions? Or did he trust God's Word and "believe" the teaching of the Law and Prophets that Jesus walked in?

Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.(Death)

Rom. 6:14 For sin(Transgression of God's Laws) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,(Dead) but under grace.(Alive through Christ)

15 What then? shall we sin, (Continue to follow traditions and doctrines of man that transgress the Commandments of God?)because we are not (dead) under the law, but under grace? (Alive) God forbid.


16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin(Disobedience to God)unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?



17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.


18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

So as the scriptures and Hiz is saying, we all have sin(men's religious traditions and rudiments of the world, our own righteousness) in us, and we all have the Words of God in us. As Jesus declared before becoming a man.

Duet. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:


20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

I believe we should focus on the Choice Jesus set before us. That is the reason for my posts.
I think we should believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Jesus says this . I believe Him. I believe in Him. you believe in Torah.
 

Hizikyah

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what does this have to do what our conversation? Your changing the subject again, Again, why do you continue to do this every time we get to the final point?

If I love God, And I love all men and women, even those who persecute me, And live a life of serving (in love) others. Am I going to be obedient to God. Or am I going to be disobedient to God?

I am not talking about people who twist the law. Nor do I wish to talk about them, I want to talk what obedience looks like and HOW IT IS Accomplished .
Here this is my second p[ost to you on this topic, you will see I already answred it.

First I would say we have to be careful we are not using the "where is our focus" to find another way is make His Laws of no effect, but if that is not the intent then I woul say like this:

1 John 3:24, “And
the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches.
He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, ifyou do whatever I command you."

1 Peter/Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah.
As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in YHWH, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH."
This is why It seems to me you continually and gradually try to ignore His law after stating it is still valid.

So is it proper to read it to check if what we beleive and do lines up with His written word?
 

Hizikyah

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I think we should believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Jesus says this . I believe Him. I believe in Him. you believe in Torah.
SO the only way to believe is to ignore what He says, and if one believes His words He therefore does not beleive Him or in Him? Very odd doctrine that is.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 -
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
 

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Not sure what you mean sis..

You said you didnt now where the words "make law of no effect" was coming from. It's misquoted. It is speaking of making CHRIST ofno effect not law.

I posted the scripture. Now making apple crisp. :) Later.
 

Hizikyah

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I see what Hiz is saying. That our understanding and doctrine should come from the Word of God and not through man's religious traditions or rudiments of the World. That we should listen to God and Trust His Word, over the Word of Man.

Jesus Focused on keeping Himself in submission to His Father's Word, which included His Fathers instructions. WE can't "Walk even as he walked" and not acknowledge His attention to His Father's Word.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

He spent a great deal of time exposing a Mainstream religion of His time that claimed to serve God, but in "works" denied Him. This same "exposing" of man made religions in the name of God, was going on for a long time, as Stephen points out in Acts.

As "Believers" we are to continue to expose doctrines that are from man, and not from God out of both our Love for God, and our Love for the Brethren. Paul was doing this in Col. 2.

First we let His Light expose the evil within us, so we can see it and rule over it as God/Jesus instructed Cain from the very beginning.

Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Then we use this same "Light" to discern the words and traditions of man's traditions around us.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

How can I help a brother if I am blinded. As Paul says;

1 Cor. 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

What does Paul keep his body in subjection to? Man's Righteousness, man's religious traditions? Or did he trust God's Word and "believe" the teaching of the Law and Prophets that Jesus walked in?

Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.(Death)

Rom. 6:14 For sin(Transgression of God's Laws) shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,(Dead) but under grace.(Alive through Christ)

15 What then? shall we sin, (Continue to follow traditions and doctrines of man that transgress the Commandments of God?)because we are not (dead) under the law, but under grace? (Alive) God forbid.


16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin(Disobedience to God)unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?



17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.


18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

So as the scriptures and Hiz is saying, we all have sin(men's religious traditions and rudiments of the world, our own righteousness) in us, and we all have the Words of God in us. As Jesus declared before becoming a man.

Duet. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:


20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

I believe we should focus on the Choice Jesus set before us. That is the reason for my posts.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
 

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I think we should believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Jesus says this . I believe Him. I believe in Him. you believe in Torah.
The law in the Torah tells us where we fail. As Paul stated without that law we would not know what sin is. Since the law shows us where we fail that tells us why we need Christ for salvation. No law no need for salvation from Christ!!!
 

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You said you didnt now where the words "make law of no effect" was coming from. It's misquoted. It is speaking of making CHRIST ofno effect not law.

I posted the scripture. Now making apple crisp. :) Later.
It is used in multiple places, and I used it as a idea not in a quote, but here it is in a quote:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." [/FONT]


"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition[/FONT]"

the way I used it was in highlight a possible ignoring of the Instructions of the Creator of all that is by way of circular reasoning or misintrepratation of the word, like this:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Awmiĕn.”[/FONT]
 
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You said the Law is not love right? or no? It is my point that the true intent of the Law is love and that guarding it properly is loving.
Here we go again, You will not answer my questions, but keep wanting to prove a point, When answering my question would help us to move forward.


Once again, If I love God, If I love my neighbor, including those who are my enemy and those who persecute me, If I live my life serving others. Am I going to be seen as someone who is obedient to God or as a sinner?

Is the question too hard?
 
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"one born every minute"

Yep. So the law still has a purpose.. Because people still need led to christ, the one who FULFILLED the law and suffered the CURSE OF THE LAW on their behalf..

Amen bro.
 
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Here this is my second p[ost to you on this topic, you will see I already answred it.



This is why It seems to me you continually and gradually try to ignore His law after stating it is still valid.

So is it proper to read it to check if what we beleive and do lines up with His written word?
Nope you did not answer my question, You wanted to talk about twisting the law. That has nothing to do with anything I have said.

I am ignoring the law? Now your attacking me because i have never said it is ok to ignore the law. Or said that the law is null and void. So please. Stop with the nonsense

SMH,, This is sad. So sad.
 
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You said you didnt now where the words "make law of no effect" was coming from. It's misquoted. It is speaking of making CHRIST ofno effect not law.

I posted the scripture. Now making apple crisp. :) Later.
Lol.. Ok , I see thank you.
 

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Here we go again, You will not answer my questions, but keep wanting to prove a point, When answering my question would help us to move forward.


Once again, If I love God, If I love my neighbor, including those who are my enemy and those who persecute me, If I live my life serving others. Am I going to be seen as someone who is obedient to God or as a sinner?

Is the question too hard?
Nope you did not answer my question, You wanted to talk about twisting the law. That has nothing to do with anything I have said.

I am ignoring the law? Now your attacking me because i have never said it is ok to ignore the law. Or said that the law is null and void. So please. Stop with the nonsense

SMH,, This is sad. So sad.
Now you changed the question. you refuse to accept what I post and focus on what you disagree weith. I said numerous times in wored and qwuote, by His Spirit. be well.

those who walk in true love are walking in the same thing the Law intends, thus are not walking in sin.