Colossians 2.

[Studyman]

if Paul is really saying to the believers in Colossae "don't let anyone judge you because you are observing days and months" ((Col. 2:16))

why is Paul himself judging the believers in Galatia for observing days and months ? ((Gal. 4:10))



if Paul is really saying to the believers in Colossae "do not let anyone judge you because you are observing dietary laws" ((Col. 2:16)

why does Paul immediately judge them himself for observing dietary laws? ((Col. 2:20-21))

Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Religions of the World has observances which are not from God you know. Your Christmas and Sabbath was placed on some of these ancient pagan High Days. The scriptures themselves contradict what you are saying about them.

You are preaching that these "believers", before they even knew God, were following God's Words, then they must have turned to God and stopped obeying God's Words. Then were somehow tricked into "Turning Again" to the Commandments of God they followed when they didn't know God.

All this because you have been convinced that God's Laws are bad, a burden and a Yoke God created that are too impossible to follow.

Consider this.

It seems you are preaching that God created these "Weak and Beggarly "elements of the World you call "His Laws". He created them purposely so man couldn't keep them, then He destroyed tens of thousands of people who didn't obey them. Then He sent His Son, who rejected from the Kingdom of heaven, an entire religion who transgressed Laws that were created impossible to obey.

This mindset is Fascinating to me.

Col. 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men?

God's Laws, according to Jesus, Paul, Peter, are not "Commandments of Men", nor are they "rudiments of the World". This teaching is a false teaching. It wasn't against God's Commandments to take a walk in fellowship on God's Sabbaths, that He made for man, and pick and eat a blackberry or ear of corn. Yet the mainstream church of Christ's time taught the "ordinance" as if it were the Law of Moses.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge this Biblical fact, doesn't make it not true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now you changed the question. you refuse to accept what I post and focus on what you disagree weith. I said numerous times in wored and qwuote, by His Spirit. be well.

those who walk in true love are walking in the same thing the Law intends, thus are not walking in sin.

I did not change the question dude, Why are you so afraid to answer?
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what does this have to do what our conversation? Your changing the subject again, Again, why do you continue to do this every time we get to the final point?

If I love God, And I love all men and women, even those who persecute me, And live a life of serving (in love) others. Am I going to be obedient to God. Or am I going to be disobedient to God?

I am not talking about people who twist the law. Nor do I wish to talk about them, I want to talk what obedience looks like and HOW IT IS Accomplished .

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what does this have to do what our conversation? Your changing the subject again, Again, why do you continue to do this every time we get to the final point?

If I love God, And I love all men and women, even those who persecute me, And live a life of serving (in love) others. Am I going to be obedient to God. Or am I going to be disobedient to God?

I am not talking about people who twist the law. Nor do I wish to talk about them, I want to talk what obedience looks like and HOW IT IS Accomplished .

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what does this have to do what our conversation? Your changing the subject again, Again, why do you continue to do this every time we get to the final point?

If I love God, And I love all men and women, even those who persecute me, And live a life of serving (in love) others. Am I going to be obedient to God. Or am I going to be disobedient to God?

I am not talking about people who twist the law. Nor do I wish to talk about them, I want to talk what obedience looks like and HOW IT IS Accomplished .

Does the question realty scare you?

 

[Studyman]

Colossae.

major Roman trade hub city. rich & diverse; populated by Greeks, Jews, Chaldeans, Persians, Egyptians, Romans - people from all over the region.

all these diverse people worshiping many gods. many of them, handfuls or even dozens of gods. all these gods being worshiped by observance of codes and special days. dietary laws. special feasts and festivals. regulations against doing certain things and regulations requiring different things to be done.

in one corner of the city, a small minority of people associated somewhat with the god of the Jews are following laws and honoring special days associated with the religion of the Jews. just like literally everyone else in the city, in the whole region, in all the known world, actually. keeping laws. keeping feasts. one god of thousands, one set of ordinances and appointed festivals out of hundreds.

the picture Studyman would like for us to have is that in this context, all the people are ridiculing Christians because they are keeping feasts and observing dietary & other religious laws.
the people who are all doing the same things, themselves, most of them to & for at least a half a dozen gods, themselves.

how is this scenario supposed to seem obvious, instead of the scenario literally described throughout Acts & the epistles, where observant Jews, misunderstanding the grace of God, were adamant to force gentile believers to place themselves under the Law of Moses, and were going behind Paul in every place he started churches trying to convert them to Judaism, accusing them because they were not keeping the feasts, festivals, sabbaths and dietary laws of the marriage covenant between God and the nation Israel?

forget for a moment how completely opposite this interpretation of Col. 2:16 is to the rest of Colossians and to everything else Paul wrote: it makes no sense in the historical & cultural context.

Yet Jesus, Paul and all the other Apostles follow these commands. Maybe Jesus was right, maybe the Prophets are right. Maybe it is your understanding of Colossians that is wrong.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Your preaching that Jesus created His Instructions, including the simple and easy to understand Sabbath that He and all his Apostles observed, then came to earth as a man, and lived in them only to destroy them after He was killed. So they were part of His Salvation, then, with no Biblical Warnings, He destroys them, then when he comes back, they will be in force again.

IS. 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD (Jesus).

Men's religious traditions are the "Rudiments of the world". they make no sense and are contrary to the Word of God. But the deceit is so strong that it caused people to murder their own Messiah believing they were doing this same God a Service.

I don't know if He will allow you to grasp the significance of that Biblical truth or not. My hope is that He will.

 

[Hizikyah]

No one said anything about twisting the law. So not sure what your talking about. How come every time we get to this point in our discussion you do this?

Why can you not admit, Love God, Love thers (including our enemy’s, including those who persecute us) is the way to be obedient children of God who by practice follow Gods commands?

The law does not tell UC how to love, Love is the way to fulfill the law.

Answered here; Why tweisting is brought up and how true love is; true love is in the Law, the Law is true love according to YHWH and Yahshua:

This is what I mean; If someone is twisting the Law it is not love, but someone is truly applying the Law in its true intention it is love.

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

(goal)is word #G5056 –télos; Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

1 John 4:20, “"If someone says, "I love Yah," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love Yah whom he has not seen."

1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

what does this have to do what our conversation? Your changing the subject again, Again, why do you continue to do this every time we get to the final point?

If I love God, And I love all men and women, even those who persecute me, And live a life of serving (in love) others. Am I going to be obedient to God. Or am I going to be disobedient to God?

I am not talking about people who twist the law. Nor do I wish to talk about them, I want to talk what obedience looks like and HOW IT IS Accomplished .

You said the Law is not love right? or no? It is my point that the true intent of the Law is love and that guarding it properly is loving. Also that a false approach to the Law is not the Law and is not love, we can not look at a false application of it and say it's not loving. Example: Just because the praisees rejected it for their man made law does not witness against YHWH or His Law.

Also "how it is accomplished" you ask this evey time we talk and I answer it every time, I asnwered it in the first post of this conversation. You seem to continually try to lead it away from obedience into some whispy salf standar of what love is rather than subbmitting to what His standard is, maybe you dont do that in reality, I dont know you, but you presentation seems to go in that direction.

We apply it by His Spirit:

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"

Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Here we go again, You will not answer my questions, but keep wanting to prove a point, When answering my question would help us to move forward.

Once again, If I love God, If I love my neighbor, including those who are my enemy and those who persecute me, If I live my life serving others. Am I going to be seen as someone who is obedient to God or as a sinner?

Is the question too hard?

those who walk in true love are walking in the same thing the Law intends, thus are not walking in sin.

All of you questions have been answered. Just because I don't forsake His Instructions does not mean I did not answer.

I want to ask you,

can one be loving and not be walking in the true intent of YHWH's Law?

is it right or wrong to read the Law to see if the love one is walking is in line with YHWH's Law?

My answeres re stated in an easy way:

If one walks in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) that person will be truly loving and not walking in sin.

vice versa

If one is truly loving they will be walking in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) and not walking in sin.

 

[Endoscopy]

Here we go again, You will not answer my questions, but keep wanting to prove a point, When answering my question would help us to move forward.


Once again, If I love God, If I love my neighbor, including those who are my enemy and those who persecute me, If I live my life serving others. Am I going to be seen as someone who is obedient to God or as a sinner?

Is the question too hard?

Are you sin free?? Romans 3:21 to 31 NIV


Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.


27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Answered here; Why tweisting is brought up and how true love is; true love is in the Law, the Law is true love according to YHWH and Yahshua:











All of you questions have been answered. Just because I don't forsake His Instructions does not mean I did not answer.

I want to ask you,

can one be loving and not be walking in the true intent of YHWH's Law?

is it right or wrong to read the Law to see if the love one is walking is in line with YHWH's Law?

My answeres re stated in an easy way:

If one walks in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) that person will be truly loving and not walking in sin.

vice versa

If one is truly loving they will be walking in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) and not walking in sin.

I still do not see an answer. I see you skirting the question and answering with these long drawn out posts.

Yes or not. If I am loving God and serving others, even if they are my enemy, and are persecuting me, And I am swerving others in love,

am I going got be seen as a sinner or an obedient person?


Either yes, I will be seen as a sinner, Or No, I will not be seen as a sinner, but will seen as someone who is obedient to Gods commands.


I am not going off on tangents. I just want a direct answer to my question.

If you post another long drawn out post in an attempt to say you answer me, then do not bother, I am not going to read long drawn out posts when I am asking a direct question which can be easily answered with a few short words.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All of you questions have been answered. Just because I don't forsake His Instructions does not mean I did not answer.

see what I mean? Did I ask you to forsake his commands? No I did not. So all you have just done is prove you have not answered my question,

Now. Let me show you how easy it is to answer questions. Without writing a book.

I want to ask you,

can one be loving and not be walking in the true intent of YHWH's Law?

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NO!

is it right or wrong to read the Law to see if the love one is walking is in line with YHWH's Law?

My answeres re stated in an easy way:

its wrong, Because the law can not tell you if you are walking correctly or not. It does not tell you every sin, It does not tell you if you are truly obedient or not (it does not read your mind, it does not know youyr heart, it can not determine your motive, not can it tell you every sin..

If one walks in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) that person will be truly loving and not walking in sin.

vice versa

How did Jesus walk in his commands? Did he do it by Loving His Father. Loving all people. Including those who were his enemy and even when they persecuted him, Did he do it by putting the needs of others oebove his 24/7? Did he do it by sacrificing his own needs?

or did he do it by following the law?

he did it by giving NYU’s the example. Not by fallowinbgf the law. In fact, he told us how week the law was by telling us the letter says this, but He tells us that is not enough, He adds to the law things which the law does not say.

If one is truly loving they will be walking in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) and not walking in sin.

If one is truly loving, the law will be the last thing on their mind, Serving others will be on their mind. That what love fulfills the law.


There, see how easy that was. Direct and to the point, I know you know the word of God. I do not need to post Gods word and make my post so long no one will read it.

But if you ask for it, I can give it..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you sin free?? Romans 3:21 to 31 NIV


Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.


27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

What?? Have I ever claimed to be sinless?

 

[Hizikyah]

If one walks in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) that person will be truly loving and not walking in sin.

vice versa

If one is truly loving they will be walking in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) and not walking in sin.

I still do not see an answer. I see you skirting the question and answering with these long drawn out posts.

Yes or not. If I am loving God and serving others, even if they are my enemy, and are persecuting me, And I am swerving others in love,

am I going got be seen as a sinner or an obedient person?

Either yes, I will be seen as a sinner, Or No, I will not be seen as a sinner, but will seen as someone who is obedient to Gods commands.

I am not going off on tangents. I just want a direct answer to my question.

If you post another long drawn out post in an attempt to say you answer me, then do not bother, I am not going to read long drawn out posts when I am asking a direct question which can be easily answered with a few short words.

You do alter the quesrtion each time I answer it, even if slightly. and I have answered over an over, here was the last and most simplified answer:

If one walks in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) that person will be truly loving and not walking in sin.

vice versa

If one is truly loving they will be walking in the true intentions of the Law (as Yahshua did) and not walking in sin.

Here goes again

Yes or not. If I am loving God and serving others, even if they are my enemy, and are persecuting me, And I am swerving others in love, am I going got be seen as a sinner or an obedient person?

Either yes, I will be seen as a sinner, Or No, I will not be seen as a sinner, but will seen as someone who is obedient to Gods commands.

Clearly that would be obedient. as I have said over and over.

I think the issue you have with my answer is you want "love" without YHWH's Law. If said persons love is not in accord with YHWH's Law (no matter if they read it or not) it is not love. If said persons love IS IN ACCORD with YHWH's Law (no matter if they read it or not) it is love.

My point is His standard is the only true standard of what love is, as Yahshua showed, He perfectly walked in YHWH's Law and was perfect in true love.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Just because I dont say yes or no and zip my mouth shut does not mean I am not answering, I think you want a yes or no with no explanation so you can feel justified in your doctrine, which seems to be an appempt to "claim true love" while rejecting His standard. If this is reality I can not say, but it appears so.

Thus I ask you:
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I want to ask you,

can one be loving and not be walking in the true intent of YHWH's Law?

is it right or wrong to read the Law to see if the love one is walking is in line with YHWH's Law?

 

[Hizikyah]

see what I mean? Did I ask you to forsake his commands? No I did not. So all you have just done is prove you have not answered my question,

Now. Let me show you how easy it is to answer questions. Without writing a book.

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NO!



its wrong, Because the law can not tell you if you are walking correctly or not. It does not tell you every sin, It does not tell you if you are truly obedient or not (it does not read your mind, it does not know youyr heart, it can not determine your motive, not can it tell you every sin..



How did Jesus walk in his commands? Did he do it by Loving His Father. Loving all people. Including those who were his enemy and even when they persecuted him, Did he do it by putting the needs of others oebove his 24/7? Did he do it by sacrificing his own needs?

or did he do it by following the law?

he did it by giving NYU’s the example. Not by fallowinbgf the law. In fact, he told us how week the law was by telling us the letter says this, but He tells us that is not enough, He adds to the law things which the law does not say.



If one is truly loving, the law will be the last thing on their mind, Serving others will be on their mind. That what love fulfills the law.


There, see how easy that was. Direct and to the point, I know you know the word of God. I do not need to post Gods word and make my post so long no one will read it.

But if you ask for it, I can give it..

So one cant have love and not be in the true intent of the Law, , I agree.

Hoever I strongly disagree that it is wonrg to chack the written Law to see if one's love is the love of Yah.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

I am giving the word of God.

Love the lord your God, and your neighbor as yourself. Even those who are your enemy, and those who persecute you. Seek after the things of the spirit, and you will NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh (break Gods law)

so please...

It's just that these two Commandments given by God through Moses doesn't destroy, make null, or replace any of God's Word, least of all His Ten Commandments including His Sabbath that He created for man. We know there is deception out there, we know this deception uses parts of God's Word to deceive.

Creating images of God in the likeness of man, creating our own High Days and righteousness is not acceptable behavior for a "believer" any more than hating a brother without a cause.

This practice of created our own traditions and doctrines has been going on since Eve and Cain. I see it today and am showing the warnings God gave us to my brethren. I am not the only one who sees it.

But God's Word will have it's perfect work.

 

[gb9]

So one cant have love and not be in the true intent of the Law, , I agree.

Hoever I strongly disagree that it is wonrg to chack the written Law to see if one's love is the love of Yah.

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

and what are the commands- Believe in the name of the Son, and love one another. chapter 3, same letter. key word being LETTER.

 

[Endoscopy]

What?? Have I ever claimed to be sinless?

You asked a question. I gave an answer!!

Once again, If I love God, If I love my neighbor, including those who are my enemy and those who persecute me, If I live my life serving others. Am I going to be seen as someone who is obedient to God or as a sinner?

 

[Hizikyah]

So one cant have love and not be in the true intent of the Law, , I agree.

Hoever I strongly disagree that it is wonrg to chack the written Law to see if one's love is the love of Yah.

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

and what are the commands- Believe in the name of the Son, and love one another. chapter 3, same letter. key word being LETTER.

Only believe? No not only believe:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”[/FONT]





[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]


What commands?

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “, "I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:24, "As for you, let that stay in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning stays in you, you also shall stay in the Son and in the Father."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”

We can isolate a single verse or we can take the entire council of Yah into consideration.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete[/FONT]

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[gb9]

Only believe? No not only believe:

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”


James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”





Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”


What commands?



Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”


1 John 2:24, "As for you, let that stay in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning stays in you, you also shall stay in the Son and in the Father."


Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love יהוה your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”


Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am יהוה.”

We can isolate a single verse or we can take the entire council of Yah into consideration.


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

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if you disagree with John the beloved, take it up with him. he stated what the commands are for N.T. believers. I believe Him. you appear not to.

 

[posthuman]

The law in the Torah tells us where we fail. As Paul stated without that law we would not know what sin is. Since the law shows us where we fail that tells us why we need Christ for salvation. No law no need for salvation from Christ!!!

Adam and Eve had no Torah.

Did they have no need of Christ?

 

[posthuman]

Studyman is putting an awful lot of words in post's mouth that post has never said. Post is at work, and quoting parts of replies is a mess on a phone.

Post heard a teacher a while ago now saying that until we realise that the whole book of Deuteronomy ((indeed all the Law of Moses)) is a marriage contract, we're bound to be woefully in error about any doctrine we try to form that has anything to do with the Law, and that we're going to completely misunderstand three quarters of the new testament.

I laughed when i heard that; i was like 'naw...'

Now however, i see something of that teachers insight. Studyman seems to have no idea what post is talking about. Maybe post fails to make himself clear, maybe there's a veil.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You asked a question. I gave an answer!!

Once again, If I love God, If I love my neighbor, including those who are my enemy and those who persecute me, If I live my life serving others. Am I going to be seen as someone who is obedient to God or as a sinner?

that is not an answer., me being sinless does not prove whatever point your trying to make

 

[Hizikyah]

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if you disagree with John the beloved, take it up with him. he stated what the commands are for N.T. believers. I believe Him. you appear not to.

So by quotiin Jon's words an also quoting Yahshua's and YHWH's words I disagree? Hmmm, I on;t know how I cn isagree with sothing I am stating to beleive and illustrate with the word. Or.... mabe.... I don;t agree with your isolation of a single verse and use the Scripture to show what is being talked aoubt? Maybe.... possibly....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's just that these two Commandments given by God through Moses doesn't destroy, make null, or replace any of God's Word, least of all His Ten Commandments including His Sabbath that He created for man. We know there is deception out there, we know this deception uses parts of God's Word to deceive.

Creating images of God in the likeness of man, creating our own High Days and righteousness is not acceptable behavior for a "believer" any more than hating a brother without a cause.

This practice of created our own traditions and doctrines has been going on since Eve and Cain. I see it today and am showing the warnings God gave us to my brethren. I am not the only one who sees it.

But God's Word will have it's perfect work.

There you go again, Totally misunderstanding what people say or purposely bearing false witness against them.

I never stated any of what you just claimed. Nor have I ever insinuated anything even close to this. Keep talking like this, you just destroy any reputation you have.