Contrast of The Mega Church with the Bible Believing Church

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JGIG

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Please dont make this personal. I am bringing forth what is going on in the world today. God is my judge. I dont care what you think.
Based on that you were "once in the crowd of the mega church" and are now projecting that ONE experience into 'what is going on in the world today'.

If you don't care what we (or I) think, why are you here trying to convince folks of your point of view?

That point is a bit perplexing as to your motivation.

And, as you, I'm content to let God and the reader judge between us
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-JGIG
 
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Based on that you were "once in the crowd of the mega church" and are now projecting that ONE experience into 'what is going on in the world today'.

If you don't care what we (or I) think, why are you here trying to convince folks of your point of view?

That point is a bit perplexing as to your motivation.

And, as you, I'm content to let God and the reader judge between us
:).

-JGIG

Had you asked me if I base my opinion on one experience,I would have told you that the mega church I attended was only the beginning to what God has shown me since. But you didnt ask me.

My motivation is to present information so that people can walk in the full light of the truth. What people do with it is of their own volition.
 

JGIG

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Had you asked me if I base my opinion on one experience,I would have told you that the mega church I attended was only the beginning to what God has shown me since. But you didnt ask me.

My motivation is to present information so that people can walk in the full light of the truth. What people do with it is of their own volition.
Im sorry you feel that way. I am merely putting forth information. Im not making it personal to anyone on this forum. That is only your opinion. Why are you judging me?
You have yet to provide any truth. You know, statements backed up by data, proof, witnesses . . .

You have thus far only provided opinion (which you are certainly entitled to), and a non-specific article that, in its disclaimer, nullifies the premises of that article.

Those things do in no way constitute truth.

-JGIG
 
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Rosesrock

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You dont like any kind of agenda? Are all agendas bad?:eek:
Romans 14:19
Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

Clearly you have an agenda that is causing strife and discord. I won't respond anymore. Thanks I asked what I needed and I'm finished. I wish you the best.
 
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That point is a bit perplexing as to your motivation.
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MOTIVATION = DISCERNMENT in CHRIST,,,
this only comes through years and tears and humble acknowledgment of self.,...
 
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Interesting. Why do you feel judged? What is the unjust part? Was it the scripture or just the fashion in which it was presented?

I haven't counted the number of threads but a lot of folks around here see themselves as spiritually superior.

Guess my lizard hide is thicker than most.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Not that it bothers me personally. Just in general. Someone has a bad experience at church and then suddenly lumps everyone into that category. I'm just calling out what appears to be a bad attitude based on false assumptions and maybe even bitterness. I don't know about anyone else but they just come across as bitterness disguised as righteousness.
 

JGIG

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Well said!..excellent post...If I could "like" this 100x times I would...and I have to spread reputation around....sorry JGIG as this post is well deserving of it. We can all learn from what is written there.

Aw, shucks, Grace777x70, Thanks! I'm so thankful that God has allowed great teaching in my life experiences - from both the good and bad that I've been exposed to!

Enjoying a bit of time here,
-JGIG
 
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Romans 14:19
Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

Clearly you have an agenda that is causing strife and discord. I won't respond anymore. Thanks I asked what I needed and I'm finished. I wish you the best.
I am not causing strife. Strife is happening because not all agree. There is a vast difference. I am not responsible for a persons reaction to the information I am putting forth.
 

JGIG

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That point is a bit perplexing as to your motivation.
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MOTIVATION = DISCERNMENT in CHRIST,,,
this only comes through years and tears and humble acknowledgment of self.,...
Her motivation does not present itself as humble in the least.

And maturity does not come to mind when reading her posts ("years and tears and humble acknowledgement of self").

Perhaps more focus on (acknowledgement of) Christ and His Work and what that means for and to us and loving others, building one another up in the faith would be the wiser course.

-JGIG
 
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You have yet to provide any truth. You know, statements backed up by data, proof, witnesses . . .

You have thus far only provided opinion (which you are certainly entitled to), and a non-specific article that, in its disclaimer, nullifies the premises of that article.

Those things do in no way constitute truth.

-JGIG

It is coming! Once it is presented,it is up to the reader to determine for themselves as to whether they will accept it.
 

JGIG

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Not that it bothers me personally. Just in general. Someone has a bad experience at church and then suddenly lumps everyone into that category. I'm just calling out what appears to be a bad attitude based on false assumptions and maybe even bitterness. I don't know about anyone else but they just come across as bitterness disguised as righteousness.
And it might not even be all of that, but just a critical spirit in general. If things are not done the way some folks are comfortable with, they must cut it down. The sad result is that instead of being willing to bear the Fruit that the Spirit produces, they go about attempting to cut away the Fruit that the Spirit is producing through those who are willing to bear it!

-JGIG
 
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Her motivation does not present itself as humble in the least.

And maturity does not come to mind when reading her posts ("years and tears and humble acknowledgement of self").

Perhaps more focus on (acknowledgement of) Christ and His Work and what that means for and to us and loving others, building one another up in the faith would be the wiser course.

-JGIG
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JGIG,

I wasn't speaking of her brother, I was speaking of me/us, as we hope to grow in grace and humility..,.
 
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Romans 14:19
Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

Clearly you have an agenda that is causing strife and discord. I won't respond anymore. Thanks I asked what I needed and I'm finished. I wish you the best.
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ." (I Peter 3:15-16)
 
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Rosesrock

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I am not causing strife. Strife is happening because not all agree. There is a vast difference. I am not responsible for a persons reaction to the information I am putting forth.
Um You have a method and agenda you admit to. Scroll down. You know exactly how some people will react and there are other posts that you admit that too. Sowing discord is unprofitable and just blah. You are in essence at fault for posting something you know will cause strife. Over and over you've done this with the same reaction. That does make you responsible. You even eluded to giving milk that some may "choke" on. Again, I'm not gaming.
 

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JGIG,

I wasn't speaking of her brother, I was speaking of me/us, as we hope to grow in grace and humility..,.
Ah, thanks for the clarification :).

-JGIG
 

JGIG

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You have yet to provide any truth. You know, statements backed up by data, proof, witnesses . . .

You have thus far only provided opinion (which you are certainly entitled to), and a non-specific article that, in its disclaimer, nullifies the premises of that article.

Those things do in no way constitute truth.

-JGIG
It is coming! Once it is presented,it is up to the reader to determine for themselves as to whether they will accept it.
Truth is coming or just more subjective opinion based on a preconceived notion of the 'right' way to 'do' church?

Let 'er rip, MsSuzanna! Show us what you got!

-JGIG
 
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ladylynn

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So you're going to spend more time slandering . . .

Wouldn't your time be better spent building up the Body of Christ here?

I guess that's just not your thing . . .

So sad.

An Illustration from Real Life
I went to a Baptist high school for five years (it was in the fundamentalist stream of Baptist, GARBC) that regularly chided and joked about the 'liberal church down the road', a 'Bible Church', which also happened to be my home church. It was in no way a 'liberal' church - its doctrine was (and I assume still is - I have not lived in that town for many years now, but the church is still there and thriving) very sound.

The Baptist church would fit nicely into the template of the right side of the column of the OP - it did all the 'right' things.

The Bible Church would mostly fit into that template, as well, though over time, since these churches are in a town with both a major university and a fine arts college, the Bible Church began to reach out to the college community (or 'cater to' as you might proclaim) in ways relevant to them. They were good, decent people, their morality being the Fruit of who they were in Christ, demonstrated in how they loved those around them.

A really interesting thing about the Bible Church was the cultural diversity there. There were college students, college professors, educators from the local community, farmers, and others who were just regular folks from around the area. Yet the Gospel proved to be the uniting factor across all of those demographics - Christ was the center and the focus, and it WORKED.

The Bible Church grew and grew, needing to add onto their existing building and go to multiple services. They churned out people who were New Creations in Christ and were loving others well, drawing those in their spheres of influence into the Kingdom with their gentleness and care. Another really interesting and really cool thing is that there were many international students who went to that Bible Church for the duration of their studies at university, grew and matured in Christ, and then went back to their home countries taking Christ with them! The fruit of that Bible Church is far-reaching - global, in fact!

The Baptist church was stagnant. The community was cliquish, rarely inviting outsiders into their midst. The young folks went because they knew there would be hell to pay if they didn't. Many of them had children out of wedlock; few of those who married had marriages that survived. And others did leave - their faith shipwrecked by extra-biblical demands of how church 'should' be, though the doctrine preached from the pulpit was basically sound.

Though the doctrine was basically sound, how they walked out their day-to-day lives was devoid of love. They preached focus on Christ, but then instructed focus on self - do this, don't do that - and all it bred was rebellion. One of my classmates told me that her mother was forbidden by her dad to hang clothes out on the line on Sunday for fear that others who went to their church who lived on their road would see that she was working on the Lord's Day. She was permitted to use the dryer, however :rolleyes:. And these were sweet people - I loved them! But their motivation was not Christ and love-centered, it was fear based. That friend, btw, has left her husband and her faith in favor of New Agey stuff. Of the three children in that family, 2 of the 3 have divorced and left the faith that their family brought them up in.

The judgmentalism in that Baptist church was palpable. Constant scrutiny and an encompassing critical spirit . . . the results - the fruit - is not good. I know several of the walking wounded today and it breaks my heart. I try to be an encouragement to them, but so much damage has been done. The school no longer exists; it died a natural death.

What's important in a church is not style or culture. What's important in a church is that people are being pointed to Christ and His Work and that they are well-loved, because those two things transcend style and culture. That they are being taught the Good News of His Work and all that that means to us and for us is what matters. If a church is pointing to Christ and loving each other and others well, then Christ has a way of working out the kinks and details as long as the inflexible people are willing to get out of HIS way! The results? Local bodies of believers who are overflowing with the Love and Good News of Christ!

So many look for the 'correct formula' for 'doing' church.

The only formula is the Good News of the Work of Christ, learning how to love people well, and then letting HIM fashion each local body into what's needed in their communities.

By trying to simplify and provide a consistent method of worship and teaching, they have actually complicated what 'church' should be and many have forgotten to let Christ make their local bodies into living, loving, growing, reproducing places.

-JGIG

Wow sis! Amen. Another good post. (good to see you on the forums)

Our family was raised in the GARBC church. (General Association of Regular Baptist Churches). You described them well and accurately. The one we went to has since closed for the reasons you posted too. It is a sad thing to see that church empty and still for sale along with the parsonage for so many years. It's been empty now for about 10yrs.

When will believers remember to remember that moral reformation does not work?? Fear, guilt and shame are not the way to get people to follow Christ.

The judgmentalism in that Baptist church was palpable. Constant scrutiny and an encompassing critical spirit . . . the results - the fruit - is not good. I know several of the walking wounded today and it breaks my heart. I try to be an encouragement to them, but so much damage has been done. The school no longer exists; it died a natural death.


We got in trouble (about 35yrs ago) when we began listening and loving and supporting Christian radio. The pastor and the Mrs. couldn't accept we continued to listen to Christian radio against their warnings, and they no longer asked us into their home. We were once loved and taught many times late into the Sunday and Wednesday nights after church service in their sweet pastor-ly home. about the wonderful things of God's Word.

We were like 4 kids looking forward to our times together after church. We never planned it, we just looked at one another and just smiled and walked to the parsonage. We had what I called "Pastor Food" .... cheese crackers, cake cookies coffee. Sometimes ice cream. The food tasted sooo good!! We all did this for almost 2 yrs.

When they stopped inviting us and later said we were following the devil by listening to Christian radio. It was devastating. They shook our hand at the church door but their faces were straight and they were deeply disappointed in us.


That sweet pastors wife "Thelma" turned into a different person and turned cold along with her pastor husband who we both loved and respected. The change was shocking and the love they once showed was no longer evident. We could no longer face them and their new feelings towards us.

Love should never stop among us believers. It has to be first at all times. Whatever we do has to be motivated by love or it is just an out flowing of our fallible humanity. Human beings do not understand grace and are Leary of it. Love can't flow without God's grace involved and always inserted in relationships.








Many times as even of lately, coming here on CC can be exhausting to my spirit.
 

JGIG

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Wow sis! Amen. Another good post. (good to see you on the forums)

Our family was raised in the GARBC church. (General Association of Regular Baptist Churches). You described them well and accurately. The one we went to has since closed for the reasons you posted too. It is a sad thing to see that church empty and still for sale along with the parsonage for so many years. It's been empty now for about 10yrs.

When will believers remember to remember that moral reformation does not work?? Fear, guilt and shame are not the way to get people to follow Christ.

The judgmentalism in that Baptist church was palpable. Constant scrutiny and an encompassing critical spirit . . . the results - the fruit - is not good. I know several of the walking wounded today and it breaks my heart. I try to be an encouragement to them, but so much damage has been done. The school no longer exists; it died a natural death.


We got in trouble (about 35yrs ago) when we began listening and loving and supporting Christian radio. The pastor and the Mrs. couldn't accept we continued to listen to Christian radio against their warnings, and they no longer asked us into their home. We were once loved and taught many times late into the Sunday and Wednesday nights after church service in their sweet pastor-ly home. about the wonderful things of God's Word.

We were like 4 kids looking forward to our times together after church. We never planned it, we just looked at one another and just smiled and walked to the parsonage. We had what I called "Pastor Food" .... cheese crackers, cake cookies coffee. Sometimes ice cream. The food tasted sooo good!! We all did this for almost 2 yrs.

When they stopped inviting us and later said we were following the devil by listening to Christian radio. It was devastating. They shook our hand at the church door but their faces were straight and they were deeply disappointed in us.


That sweet pastors wife "Thelma" turned into a different person and turned cold along with her pastor husband who we both loved and respected. The change was shocking and the love they once showed was no longer evident. We could no longer face them and their new feelings towards us.

Love should never stop among us believers. It has to be first at all times. Whatever we do has to be motivated by love or it is just an out flowing of our fallible humanity. Human beings do not understand grace and are Leary of it. Love can't flow without God's grace involved and always inserted in relationships.


Many times as even of lately, coming here on CC can be exhausting to my spirit.
Amen, Lynn. So sorry for your experience.

From my experience as a child in the school attached to the church, I was like a walking contradiction to the leadership there. I was from the 'liberal church down the road', yet I was respectful, compliant, and got along with teachers and students. I wasn't perfect (got in trouble for talking out of turn and stuff like that), but it was evident to them that I loved God and my character reflected my relationship with Him.

BUt by the end of my junior year I just could not take the abuse I saw being doled out to my fellow students. And some of these kids were really sweet kids in reality - they were just stinkers! But instead of recognizing spunk and spirit, leadership (save for a 2 specific teachers and a few helpers in the school) sought to break those children. And they did break many of them. Soooooo wrong! I opted to go back to public school for my senior year. The transition was difficult, but much less so than continuing to watch the mistreatment of my classmates in the name of Christ. Grrrrrrr.

What you wrote here is particularly true:

Love should never stop among us believers. It has to be first at all times. Whatever we do has to be motivated by love or it is just an out flowing of our fallible humanity. Human beings do not understand grace and are Leary of it. Love can't flow without God's grace involved and always inserted in relationships.

Truth!

Grace and peace to you, sister!
-JGIG
 
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Rosesrock

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So you're going to spend more time slandering . . .

Wouldn't your time be better spent building up the Body of Christ here?

I guess that's just not your thing . . .

So sad.

An Illustration from Real Life
I went to a Baptist high school for five years (it was in the fundamentalist stream of Baptist, GARBC) that regularly chided and joked about the 'liberal church down the road', a 'Bible Church', which also happened to be my home church. It was in no way a 'liberal' church - its doctrine was (and I assume still is - I have not lived in that town for many years now, but the church is still there and thriving) very sound.

The Baptist church would fit nicely into the template of the right side of the column of the OP - it did all the 'right' things.

The Bible Church would mostly fit into that template, as well, though over time, since these churches are in a town with both a major university and a fine arts college, the Bible Church began to reach out to the college community (or 'cater to' as you might proclaim) in ways relevant to them. They were good, decent people, their morality being the Fruit of who they were in Christ, demonstrated in how they loved those around them.

A really interesting thing about the Bible Church was the cultural diversity there. There were college students, college professors, educators from the local community, farmers, and others who were just regular folks from around the area. Yet the Gospel proved to be the uniting factor across all of those demographics - Christ was the center and the focus, and it WORKED.

The Bible Church grew and grew, needing to add onto their existing building and go to multiple services. They churned out people who were New Creations in Christ and were loving others well, drawing those in their spheres of influence into the Kingdom with their gentleness and care. Another really interesting and really cool thing is that there were many international students who went to that Bible Church for the duration of their studies at university, grew and matured in Christ, and then went back to their home countries taking Christ with them! The fruit of that Bible Church is far-reaching - global, in fact!

The Baptist church was stagnant. The community was cliquish, rarely inviting outsiders into their midst. The young folks went because they knew there would be hell to pay if they didn't. Many of them had children out of wedlock; few of those who married had marriages that survived. And others did leave - their faith shipwrecked by extra-biblical demands of how church 'should' be, though the doctrine preached from the pulpit was basically sound.

Though the doctrine was basically sound, how they walked out their day-to-day lives was devoid of love. They preached focus on Christ, but then instructed focus on self - do this, don't do that - and all it bred was rebellion. One of my classmates told me that her mother was forbidden by her dad to hang clothes out on the line on Sunday for fear that others who went to their church who lived on their road would see that she was working on the Lord's Day. She was permitted to use the dryer, however :rolleyes:. And these were sweet people - I loved them! But their motivation was not Christ and love-centered, it was fear based. That friend, btw, has left her husband and her faith in favor of New Agey stuff. Of the three children in that family, 2 of the 3 have divorced and left the faith that their family brought them up in.

The judgmentalism in that Baptist church was palpable. Constant scrutiny and an encompassing critical spirit . . . the results - the fruit - is not good. I know several of the walking wounded today and it breaks my heart. I try to be an encouragement to them, but so much damage has been done. The school no longer exists; it died a natural death.

What's important in a church is not style or culture. What's important in a church is that people are being pointed to Christ and His Work and that they are well-loved, because those two things transcend style and culture. That they are being taught the Good News of His Work and all that that means to us and for us is what matters. If a church is pointing to Christ and loving each other and others well, then Christ has a way of working out the kinks and details as long as the inflexible people are willing to get out of HIS way! The results? Local bodies of believers who are overflowing with the Love and Good News of Christ!

So many look for the 'correct formula' for 'doing' church.

The only formula is the Good News of the Work of Christ, learning how to love people well, and then letting HIM fashion each local body into what's needed in their communities.

By trying to simplify and provide a consistent method of worship and teaching, they have actually complicated what 'church' should be and many have forgotten to let Christ make their local bodies into living, loving, growing, reproducing places.

-JGIG
Excellent. I have a very similar story. Nicely put.