Contrast of The Mega Church with the Bible Believing Church

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JGIG

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Thats the whole point! Christ is the truth! The word is Christ. He is the MAIN focus in biblically sound churches. A biblically sound church does not add in all the worshiptainment. They dont need to
You're projecting a cultural musical preference onto what your PERCEPTION of Godly worship is.

That's a mistake.

There are so many wonderful worship songs out there that are Christ-centered and lift Him up in worship and praise.

-JGIG
The mistake here is that you think I am just speaking of music! LOL
Its much much more than that.
Skits, style of preaching, whether or not there is a pulpit/podium, participation by the congregation . . . I get it, MsSuzanna. That's all stuff that YOU and some OTHERS are not comfortable with. So don't go to those churches. That's fine!

What is NOT FINE is going onto a public forum to demonize churches (just because they're big) that are preaching Christ and Him Crucified and growing up mature believers in Him. Like I said, IF you find a church, big or small, that is not preaching Christ, then DON'T GO THERE :). Let your local friends know about your opinion of that particular place, but to generalize ALL 'Mega Churches' as evil and preaching heresy is slanderous.

-JGIG
 
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Skits, style of preaching, whether or not there is a pulpit/podium, participation by the congregation . . . I get it, MsSuzanna. That's all stuff that YOU and some OTHERS are not comfortable with. So don't go to those churches. That's fine!

What is NOT FINE is going onto a public forum to demonize churches (just because they're big) that are preaching Christ and Him Crucified and growing up mature believers in Him. Like I said, IF you find a church, big or small, that is not preaching Christ, then DON'T GO THERE :). Let your local friends know about your opinion of that particular place, but to generalize ALL 'Mega Churches' as evil and preaching heresy is slanderous.

-JGIG

Please dont make this personal. I am bringing forth what is going on in the world today. God is my judge. I dont care what you think.
 
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we must always be careful, but never clueless, not allowing ourselves to be drawn into the ways of the world...
as we mature, we begin to learn that the Truth of our old-life hurts a lot, especially when it rocks our world
and we discover that we were duped by the dark powers,,,

when we are blessed and our Heavenly Father lights His Lamp in our hearts, only then,
do we begin to come out of our 'old-man' and start on our new journey of Love and discernment....

how can we not Love those who Love Him so much??? they will usually go to any lengths or miles to serve
Him in their newness of life giving strength and gratitude...
 
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I believe you're right. Apostasy worsens up to His return. He has a remnant, sheep hat hear Him and will not follow another.

But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe (My word). My sheep listen to My voice, I know them and they follow Me.
John 10:27

But they (My sheep) will never follow a stranger, in fact they will run away from him because they do not recognize a strangers voice. John 10:5

From these verses I'm compelled to think that anyone who vehemently bucks against sound doctrine, against clear teaching, like so many do on this site concerning a legal assembly, the body corporate, given to us by Paul and others, may not even be His.

To get so angry, to get their tail so bent out of shape, to not answer the word but instead attack the deliverer of that word with such angst and bitterness, to accuse and berate and slam anyone teaching, not obscure portions of the word, but teaching clear unmistakable portions, is evidence of an apostate 'church', a people following men rather than God.

Believing every piece of drivel falling from the pulpit but denying the word of God that contrasts that drivel in no uncertain terms.

So you tell me. The mega church with its rock stars, new age bunkum, and hellywood multi dollar personalities or storefront struggling Bishop Andersen

doing 'church' his way, totally foreign to God's holy writ?

Has God told you to run yet? Can you not hear Him? Or are you still listening to a stranger?

If you still cant figure it out im sorry for you.
God's sheep never turn into goats. We're sheep! There is a falling away, but there was a falling away after the last revival, the one before that, the one before that, and the one before that. (I think I just took that back to the Welsh Revival. I'm bad with dates in history, so might be back the New England revival Jonathan Edwards is most known through.) The Spirit goes whoa-doggie on a large area, and people flock. Amazing things happen, and then when the amazing is over, people then decide if they were in it for the show or for God. For God = sheep!

I know what went wrong with the Jesus Movement. We didn't have enough real teachers, so many heard the message from fellow-converts and thought that was The Message. It wasn't. It was the schoolyard gossip. Too many were sown in shallow soil and faded away. If it happens again in my lifetime, (which is unlikely, if we're going by timeline of how often they happen, but either God will or won't on his timeline), I know where to send the people for good teaching. (Hint: NOT this site.) But since people of my generation were sometimes never trained up in the Lord there was no way for them to raise others.

A numbers game. If X people were not trained on how to walk with God, they cannot raise that number higher. Then they die out or fade away, so instead of increasing steadily we decreased drastically. I can hear the bad teaching in the voices of the new generation. God is still gathering himself a people, but quite a few of them are waiting around for another revival or the end of the world. Not the goal. (Either one.) If we stink at seed sowing, (which I do stink at), at least we should be able to point the saplings to a good gardener to help them grow up and fruit up in God.

Wasting time talking about infertile ground merely stops us from taking the time to compost and tend the garden. This thread seems to be a lot about "look at that infertile ground." It should be resolved with, "no kidding. That's cement. But here's a good spot to sow the seeds."

Instead it keeps circling. In your case? "A broken record."

There is good fertile soil! Does anyone not know what fertil soil looks like? Stay there when you find it. That easy!
 
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Congratulations you is one of them. Set all doctrine aside and do what feels good.

Still unable to eat strong meat. Lost your taste even for milk.

Tares and wheat will get separated. Goats to the left.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Funny to hear from someone young enough that, had you lived in the same area growing up, Willie could have changed your diapers while babysitting. Has it ever dawned on you that you aren't the most senior man of God out here? You always sound like you are the babysitter for babes in Christ without ever noticing you're in the adult Bible Study section. You keep scolding people who have known God longer than you have.
 
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I just re-read the comment above, and MsSuzanna, there is NO 'fruit' exemplified in the OP. There are NO specific churches identified, NO real data, NOTHING but opinion and generalizations. That is FAR from 'exemplified fruit'. What you're basing your opinion on is 'imaginary fruit'!

Even the disclaimer at the end states,

Note: These statements are generalizations for the purpose of clarifying basic positions and principles. This does not mean that every so-called Mega Church is guilty of everything described in the left hand column. Neither does this mean that every Bible-believing church faithfully embodies everything stated in the right hand column.

That statement negates the credibility of the entire chart.

It's someone's OPINION about a style of church organization that THEY disagree with. I was disappointed to see that such an article came from Middletown Bible Church - they have some otherwise sound stuff on their site. That article is pretty much an overgeneralizing hit piece.

-JGIG
Well, thank you kindly, Young Lady. (Hey. There comes an age when we just enjoy that anyone can still call us "Young Lady" and mean it, so I'm using humor but I honestly meant that whole sentence too.) You just said, more succinctly than I have been trying to say so far, exactly what I've been trying to say.

If my words aren't working, I hope your words do!
 
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Stick around.This is just an introductory OP. Im getting to the meat. I needed to give out some milk first so the readers dont choke. Ill be revealing more bad fruit than one would care to swallow Im sure:)
If that's the headline, I'm not sticking around for the rest. The headline is supposed to reel the reader in, not make us go "All that and you haven't even gotten to what this is about yet?"


And you're doing the same thing NUTM keeps doing, thinking you're talking to people younger in the Lord than you are! Treating people like they're idiots never works.
 
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Please dont make this personal. I am bringing forth what is going on in the world today. God is my judge. I dont care what you think.
So far I've learned if someone wears causal clothes, doesn't sing songs that are at least 100 years old, and has a big building, they are evil. Don't go off and blame someone else for making it personal. You made it personal in your first two posts!

And you don't care about what someone else thinks? Well, mighty Christianly of you. That's it, isn't it? "Think my way or you're not a Christian."

Gotcha. I'm out of here. And never mind about being friends.
 
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If that's the headline, I'm not sticking around for the rest. The headline is supposed to reel the reader in, not make us go "All that and you haven't even gotten to what this is about yet?"


And you're doing the same thing NUTM keeps doing, thinking you're talking to people younger in the Lord than you are! Treating people like they're idiots never works.
Im sorry you feel that way. I am merely putting forth information. Im not making it personal to anyone on this forum. That is only your opinion. Why are you judging me?
 
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Im sorry you feel that way. I am merely putting forth information. Im not making it personal to anyone on this forum. That is only your opinion. Why are you judging me?
I think you just feel judged. Which has validity to it. The last 97 threads you've started all sort of carry the same theme. That you are this spiritual super hero that's come to save the church from itself....and frankly I for one feel judged by them....and unjustly to boot. Even if it isn't your desire to come across as a pompous self righteous idealogue...that ship sailed last week.
 
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FRIENDS!!!=

we're all about being 'friends' with our homies-homeshes...Christ has taught us to go to the upmost
'nerve' ending' and then some,,and then some.,,,and then]]]], only after 70times70...
:cool::rolleyes:





we just LOVES dem brother and sisters,,,BUNCHES!!!
 

notuptome

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Funny to hear from someone young enough that, had you lived in the same area growing up, Willie could have changed your diapers while babysitting. Has it ever dawned on you that you aren't the most senior man of God out here? You always sound like you are the babysitter for babes in Christ without ever noticing you're in the adult Bible Study section. You keep scolding people who have known God longer than you have.
Ps 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

I don't know how long he has known the Lord. Doesn't matter because age is not the determining factor. I am of the opinion that he is way too comfortable with the world than is healthy for a believer. A very common malady in what calls itself church today.

Pr 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

For the cause of Christ
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Im sorry you feel that way. I am merely putting forth information. Im not making it personal to anyone on this forum. That is only your opinion. Why are you judging me?
MsSuzanna, I don't know you but the three days I've been back here the common theme of your posts are getting everyone stirred up and then you judging someone because they don't agree with you.
My question is this......What do you think about "mega" churches? I mean You say it's that christ isn't preached. Well how would you know that? Are you going on a conservative view point from a group of people? or one person? or just the chart? I'm trying to figure out the bottom line of what you're getting at. I like discussion but not the mud slinging.
 

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I think you just feel judged. Which has validity to it. The last 97 threads you've started all sort of carry the same theme. That you are this spiritual super hero that's come to save the church from itself....and frankly I for one feel judged by them....and unjustly to boot. Even if it isn't your desire to come across as a pompous self righteous idealogue...that ship sailed last week.
Interesting. Why do you feel judged? What is the unjust part? Was it the scripture or just the fashion in which it was presented?

I haven't counted the number of threads but a lot of folks around here see themselves as spiritually superior.

Guess my lizard hide is thicker than most.

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Funny to hear from someone young enough that, had you lived in the same area growing up, Willie could have changed your diapers while babysitting. Has it ever dawned on you that you aren't the most senior man of God out here? You always sound like you are the babysitter for babes in Christ without ever noticing you're in the adult Bible Study section. You keep scolding people who have known God longer than you have.
When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable, But he who restrains his lips is wise.
 
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if you put 'mud' on festering sores, if the mud isn't compromised, then it will begin
to heal...akin to a ministerimg of healing in the natural sense of a real church...
 
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MsSuzanna, I don't know you but the three days I've been back here the common theme of your posts are getting everyone stirred up and then you judging someone because they don't agree with you.
My question is this......What do you think about "mega" churches? I mean You say it's that christ isn't preached. Well how would you know that? Are you going on a conservative view point from a group of people? or one person? or just the chart? I'm trying to figure out the bottom line of what you're getting at. I like discussion but not the mud slinging.
Hang in there. You will soon see the means to my method. Just try to stay neutral. Thats all I ask. Im going to present information.
 
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JGIG

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Stick around.This is just an introductory OP. Im getting to the meat. I needed to give out some milk first so the readers dont choke. Ill be revealing more bad fruit than one would care to swallow Im sure:)
So you're going to spend more time slandering . . .

Wouldn't your time be better spent building up the Body of Christ here?

I guess that's just not your thing . . .

So sad.

An Illustration from Real Life
I went to a Baptist high school for five years (it was in the fundamentalist stream of Baptist, GARBC) that regularly chided and joked about the 'liberal church down the road', a 'Bible Church', which also happened to be my home church. It was in no way a 'liberal' church - its doctrine was (and I assume still is - I have not lived in that town for many years now, but the church is still there and thriving) very sound.

The Baptist church would fit nicely into the template of the right side of the column of the OP - it did all the 'right' things.

The Bible Church would mostly fit into that template, as well, though over time, since these churches are in a town with both a major university and a fine arts college, the Bible Church began to reach out to the college community (or 'cater to' as you might proclaim) in ways relevant to them. They were good, decent people, their morality being the Fruit of who they were in Christ, demonstrated in how they loved those around them.

A really interesting thing about the Bible Church was the cultural diversity there. There were college students, college professors, educators from the local community, farmers, and others who were just regular folks from around the area. Yet the Gospel proved to be the uniting factor across all of those demographics - Christ was the center and the focus, and it WORKED.

The Bible Church grew and grew, needing to add onto their existing building and go to multiple services. They churned out people who were New Creations in Christ and were loving others well, drawing those in their spheres of influence into the Kingdom with their gentleness and care. Another really interesting and really cool thing is that there were many international students who went to that Bible Church for the duration of their studies at university, grew and matured in Christ, and then went back to their home countries taking Christ with them! The fruit of that Bible Church is far-reaching - global, in fact!

The Baptist church was stagnant. The community was cliquish, rarely inviting outsiders into their midst. The young folks went because they knew there would be hell to pay if they didn't. Many of them had children out of wedlock; few of those who married had marriages that survived. And others did leave - their faith shipwrecked by extra-biblical demands of how church 'should' be, though the doctrine preached from the pulpit was basically sound.

Though the doctrine was basically sound, how they walked out their day-to-day lives was devoid of love. They preached focus on Christ, but then instructed focus on self - do this, don't do that - and all it bred was rebellion. One of my classmates told me that her mother was forbidden by her dad to hang clothes out on the line on Sunday for fear that others who went to their church who lived on their road would see that she was working on the Lord's Day. She was permitted to use the dryer, however :rolleyes:. And these were sweet people - I loved them! But their motivation was not Christ and love-centered, it was fear based. That friend, btw, has left her husband and her faith in favor of New Agey stuff. Of the three children in that family, 2 of the 3 have divorced and left the faith that their family brought them up in.

The judgmentalism in that Baptist church was palpable. Constant scrutiny and an encompassing critical spirit . . . the results - the fruit - is not good. I know several of the walking wounded today and it breaks my heart. I try to be an encouragement to them, but so much damage has been done. The school no longer exists; it died a natural death.

What's important in a church is not style or culture. What's important in a church is that people are being pointed to Christ and His Work and that they are well-loved, because those two things transcend style and culture. That they are being taught the Good News of His Work and all that that means to us and for us is what matters. If a church is pointing to Christ and loving each other and others well, then Christ has a way of working out the kinks and details as long as the inflexible people are willing to get out of HIS way! The results? Local bodies of believers who are overflowing with the Love and Good News of Christ!

So many look for the 'correct formula' for 'doing' church.

The only formula is the Good News of the Work of Christ, learning how to love people well, and then letting HIM fashion each local body into what's needed in their communities.

By trying to simplify and provide a consistent method of worship and teaching, they have actually complicated what 'church' should be and many have forgotten to let Christ make their local bodies into living, loving, growing, reproducing places.

-JGIG
 
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So you're going to spend more time slandering . . .

Wouldn't your time be better spent building up the Body of Christ here?

I guess that's just not your thing . . .

So sad.

An Illustration from Real Life
I went to a Baptist high school for five years (it was in the fundamentalist stream of Baptist, GARBC) that regularly chided and joked about the 'liberal church down the road', a 'Bible Church', which also happened to be my home church. It was in no way a 'liberal' church - its doctrine was (and I assume still is - I have not lived in that town for many years now, but the church is still there and thriving) very sound.

The Baptist church would fit nicely into the template of the right side of the column of the OP - it did all the 'right' things.

The Bible Church would mostly fit into that template, as well, though over time, since these churches are in a town with both a major university and a fine arts college, the Bible Church began to reach out to the college community (or 'cater to' as you might proclaim) in ways relevant to them. They were good, decent people, their morality being the Fruit of who they were in Christ, demonstrated in how they loved those around them.

A really interesting thing about the Bible Church was the cultural diversity there. There were college students, college professors, educators from the local community, farmers, and others who were just regular folks from around the area. Yet the Gospel proved to be the uniting factor across all of those demographics - Christ was the center and the focus, and it WORKED.

The Bible Church grew and grew, needing to add onto their existing building and go to multiple services. They churned out people who were New Creations in Christ and were loving others well, drawing those in their spheres of influence into the Kingdom with their gentleness and care. Another really interesting and really cool thing is that there were many international students who went to that Bible Church for the duration of their studies at university, grew and matured in Christ, and then went back to their home countries taking Christ with them! The fruit of that Bible Church is far-reaching - global, in fact!

The Baptist church was stagnant. The community was cliquish, rarely inviting outsiders into their midst. The young folks went because they knew there would be hell to pay if they didn't. Many of them had children out of wedlock; few of those who married had marriages that survived. And others did leave - their faith shipwrecked by extra-biblical demands of how church 'should' be, though the doctrine preached from the pulpit was basically sound.

Though the doctrine was basically sound, how they walked out their day-to-day lives was devoid of love. They preached focus on Christ, but then instructed focus on self - do this, don't do that - and all it bred was rebellion. One of my classmates told me that her mother was forbidden by her dad to hang clothes out on the line on Sunday for fear that others who went to their church who lived on their road would see that she was working on the Lord's Day. She was permitted to use the dryer, however :rolleyes:. And these were sweet people - I loved them! But their motivation was not Christ and love-centered, it was fear based. That friend, btw, has left her husband and her faith in favor of New Agey stuff. Of the three children in that family, 2 of the 3 have divorced and left the faith that their family brought them up in.

The judgmentalism in that Baptist church was palpable. Constant scrutiny and an encompassing critical spirit . . . the results - the fruit - is not good. I know several of the walking wounded today and it breaks my heart. I try to be an encouragement to them, but so much damage has been done. The school no longer exists; it died a natural death.

What's important in a church is not style or culture. What's important in a church is that people are being pointed to Christ and His Work and that they are well-loved, because those two things transcend style and culture. That they are being taught the Good News of His Work and all that that means to us and for us is what matters. If a church is pointing to Christ and loving each other and others well, then Christ has a way of working out the kinks and details as long as the inflexible people are willing to get out of HIS way! The results? Local bodies of believers who are overflowing with the Love and Good News of Christ!

So many look for the 'correct formula' for 'doing' church.

The only formula is the Good News of the Work of Christ, learning how to love people well, and then letting HIM fashion each local body into what's needed in their communities.

By trying to simplify and provide a consistent method of worship and teaching, they have actually complicated what 'church' should be and many have forgotten to let Christ make their local bodies into living, loving, growing, reproducing places.

-JGIG
Well said!..excellent post...If I could "like" this 100x times I would...and I have to spread reputation around....sorry JGIG as this post is well deserving of it. We can all learn from what is written there.