created in 6 days question

[sltaylor]

Simple God first created plasma which is a state of matter. Plasma can give off light. IE Lightning,neon etc. The sun itself is made of gas and plasma.

Scripture declares what was created on day one...
Proverbs 8:22*"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,before his deeds of old;*

23*I was appointed*from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.*

24When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;*

25*before the mountains were settled in place,*before the hills, I was given birth,*

26*before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.*

27*I was there when he set the heavens in place,*when he marked out the horizon*on the face of the deep,*

28*when he established the clouds above*and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,*

29*when he gave the sea its boundary*so the waters would not overstep his command,*and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.*

According to God breathed Scripture, this was brought forth as the first of his works (v. 22), and we all know what day he started working.

This same light became flesh, and the light of men, and was separate from darkness, for in him is no darkness at all. "We belong to the day",
Let us then be separate from those in the darkness, for God's true light already shines in our hearts, and those in darkness have not understood. Yet to those who have understood it, he gave the right to become sons of God.

 

[sltaylor]

Sorry let me rephrase what I wrote above. The word became flesh. The light was the wisdom of God, not saying God created Christ on day 1! Christ was with him when the two were separated. God's wisdom and his word ARE THE LIFE of men, for man doesn't live on bread alone. The word, the wisdom, and the life were all together IN Christ tho....

 

[sltaylor]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Light is separated from the darkness. This is an interesting phenomenon. Light and darkness do not naturally separate. It required an act of God to separate the two. What does this say about the theory of natural determinacy i.e. the influence of natural law? It did not yet exist. Heaven and earth are matter, light is energy and matter. These are the two basic elements of physics. At this point in creation, there are no natural laws in place to influence their behavior. Light is separated from the darkness by an act of God. This will begin the sequence of time measurement. Matter and energy are being organized into a more complex life sustaining system.
C. Light is assigned to function which is to measure time, 5. God gives the definition of what constitutes a day.

1. Light = day + morning.
2. Darkness = night + evening.
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change throughout the chapter.
3. The laws of physics are now put in place. This will be represented in at least four ways.

a. Earth's rotation now seems to have already been set in motion on day one. When Light and darkness are separated this results in the phenomenon of morning and evening due to the rotation of the earth on its axis with darkness on one hemisphere and light on the other.
b. This also means that earth's magnetic fields are now in place which is formed by the flow of the earth's liquid iron core. The magnetic field will be necessary to protect the earth against solar radiation when the sun is created on day four.
c. Because of the rotation of the earth, gravitational forces are now operational.[/FONT] [/FONT]

How can earth's rotation be established on day one. Heaven and earth weren't even separated til day two, (the waters above, below), and the earth was formed out of the waters below. So what you are saying doesn't make sense. Proverbs 8:22 says what was made on day one, it literally says it was brought forth as the first of his works. Paul says we belong to the day, and that doesn't mean sun light or a established period of time. The light belongs to the day, that light is the life of men, and the darkness has not understood it....Proverbs 8:22 is the answer.

 

[chukwudi]

hello,I am just a new user.in reply to your question
in Genesis 1:1 God created the heaven and the earth. here the state of the earth that time is not known
but in Genesis 1:2 it says, and the earth was without form and void ;and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
God created the universe and the earth as shown in Genesis 1:2 was covered with water and clouds covered the earth causing the darkness. when God said let there be light it simply meant light appeared on earth caused by partial removal of the clouds that covered the earth.in Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light that it was good and divided to the rotation of the earth causing day and night.

 

[sltaylor]

hello,I am just a new user.in reply to your question
in Genesis 1:1 God created the heaven and the earth. here the state of the earth that time is not known
but in Genesis 1:2 it says, and the earth was without form and void ;and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
God created the universe and the earth as shown in Genesis 1:2 was covered with water and clouds covered the earth causing the darkness. when God said let there be light it simply meant light appeared on earth caused by partial removal of the clouds that covered the earth.in Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light that it was good and divided to the rotation of the earth causing day and night.

Hey man, the earth was without form until day two. Heaven and earth weren't even separated by the expanse of the universe until day two.
Once there was the expanse that separated the two, then what was below the expanse formed into the ball, (it now had form) , and then the dry land appeared.

The light is wisdom. Proverbs 8:22. It was brought forth as the first of his works, it literally says that, and God literally started working on day one. The answer is in the scripture.

 

[oldhermit]

How can earth's rotation be established on day one. Heaven and earth weren't even separated til day two, (the waters above, below), and the earth was formed out of the waters below. So what you are saying doesn't make sense. Proverbs 8:22 says what was made on day one, it literally says it was brought forth as the first of his works. Paul says we belong to the day, and that doesn't mean sun light or a established period of time. The light belongs to the day, that light is the life of men, and the darkness has not understood it....Proverbs 8:22 is the answer.

How else would you establish the fact that Gen 1:5 says that the evening and the morning comprised the first day? Just from the standpoint of physics the division of light and darkness plus the rotation of the earth creates the evening and morning effect. Prov. 8:22 proves the wisdom of God in the act of creation.

 

[sltaylor]

How else would you establish the fact that Gen 1:5 says that the evening and the morning comprised the first day? Just from the standpoint of physics the division of light and darkness plus the rotation of the earth creates the evening and morning effect. Prov. 8:22 proves the wisdom of God in the act of creation.

No, it didn't say it was there with the first of his works, the verse says it was BROUGHT FORTH AS THE FIRST of his works, so it could be there for his other works, big difference. Proverbs 8:22 proves what was brought forth as the first of his works. That's what the verse said. God started working on day one. This was brought forth AS THE first of his works....I'm not saying I understand it all either. All I know is wisdom is speaking in the first person here sir. And it says it was the first of his works, and brought forth. You and I know the wisdom of God, is light, and not just any wisdom is this wisdom here, cause this is talking about choosing Godly wisdom here in this chapter. There is earthly wisdom, and that is understood as darkness, and there is Godly wisdom and that is understood as the light.

I don't know fully how it works, I don't even understand it all my self, all I know is wisdom is light, and scripture says that this wisdom (light) was brought forth as THE FIRST OF HIS WORKS.

 

[sltaylor]

Proverbs 8

Wisdom's Call

1*Does not wisdom call out?*

22*"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works...

Are you denying scripture says it was brought forth as the first of his works here? I just copied and pasted and read it again just to be sure.

It distinctly says the first of his works. And on what day did God start working? Is wisdom light? Yes. I don't understand what is so hard to see.

 

[Tintin]

For all of you who think that one thousand years being a day with the Lord is a metaphor...

Why do you think no man but Christ Jesus our Lord has lived one thousand years? All died before the day was done. It is not a metaphor...simply a day with the Lord.

Er... two thousand years since His time on earth. Prior to that He always existed alongside the Father and Holy Spirit. After all, it was Jesus Christ who spoke Creation into being. He still exists as part of the Trinity, now as Jesus, the God/man (ever since he was conceived on earth).

 

[Tintin]

but to God one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. time does not exist in God's realm of eternity.

God bless

"I wonder what they DO teach them at these schools!"

Professor Kirke is not amused.

 

[sltaylor]

How else would you establish the fact that Gen 1:5 says that the evening and the morning comprised the first day? Just from the standpoint of physics the division of light and darkness plus the rotation of the earth creates the evening and morning effect. Prov. 8:22 proves the wisdom of God in the act of creation.

And believe me, from a physics standpoint I get it. Learned that A LONG time ago. From a physics standpoint it takes a sun and earth to comprise all the things you mentioned above yes. But I can't deny scripture. I'm not going off my understanding, I'm going off God's word sir.

I respect what you are saying, but say with HUMILTY, I can't understand it all either. All I know is what scripture says. From a physics standpoint, it takes a sun and a rotational spin. From a Scripture stand point that is NOT completed until the end of day four.
Do I know the depth of what it means, no sir. But to deny the sun wasn't created til day 4, would be a lie. So it has to be something we are not understanding. And all I know is the only thing I have found to help me try to understand it, is in scripture.

Wisdom says it was brought forth as the first of his works. You are correct, it does prove it was there with all the other things created. But it also proves, through scripture, it was brought forth AS the first of his works.

I find it too coincidental that, God started working on day 1, and here is God's wisdom, also understood as the light, claiming to be brought forth as the first of his works. I can't understand it all either, but I can't deny that God's word is perfect and that is what the scripture said either.

 

[oldhermit]

No, it didn't say it was there with the first of his works, the verse says it was BROUGHT FORTH AS THE FIRST of his works, so it coukd be there for his other works, big difference. Proverbs 8:22 proves what was brought forth as the first of his works. That's what the verse said. God started working on day one. This was brought forth AS THE first of his works....I'm not saying I understand it all either. All I know is wisdom is speaking in the first person here sir. And it says it was the first of his works, and brought forth. You and I know the wisdom of God, is light, and not just any wisdom is this wisdom here, cause this is talking about choosing Godly wisdom here in this chapter. There is earthly wisdom, and that is understood as darkness, and there is Godly wisdom and that is understood as the light.

I don't know fully how it works, I don't even understand it all my self, all I know is wisdom is light, and scripture says that this wisdom (light) was brought forth as THE FIRST OF HIS WORKS.

Light is only a metaphor for wisdom but in Prov 8:23-31 wisdom as being describes as being with God before anything of the natural world was formed and was with God in the process of creation. It was not created in conjunction with the world of matter but is prerequisite to it. The light in Genesis one is that which is comprised of matter, not a metaphoric representation. The text does not suggest anything else. In Gen 1:3 the word is א֑וֹר and is used many times in the OT an is never rendered as wisdom.

 

[Tintin]

Light is only a metaphor for wisdom but in Prov 8:23-31 wisdom as being describes as being with God before anything of the natural world was formed and was with God in the process of creation. It was not created in conjunction with the world of matter but is prerequisite to it. The light in Genesis one is that which is comprised of matter, not a metaphoric representation. The text does not suggest anything else. In Gen 1:3 the word is א֑וֹר and is used many times in the OT an is never rendered as wisdom.

Yes. The Wisdom spoken of in Proverbs 8 is the third person of the Trinity - Holy Spirit.

 

[crossnote]

God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
(Gen 1:5)


Let's see. Evening+Morning=1st Day (one Day/24 hours).

According to some here...Evening+Morning=1000 years or 365,000 Evenings and Mornings.
Pleeease People.


As the saying goes, "If the literal reading makes good sense, seek no other sense otherwise you'll end up with nonsense."

 

[oldhermit]

And believe me, from a physics standpoint I get it. Learned that A LONG time ago. From a physics standpoint it takes a sun and earth to comprise all the things you mentioned above yes. But I can't deny scripture. I'm not going off my understanding, I'm going off God's word sir. I respect what you are saying, but say with HUMILTY, I can't understand it all either. All I know is what scripture says. From a physics standpoint, it takes a sun and a rotational spin. From a Scripture stand point that is NOT completed until the end of day four.
Do I know the depth of what it means, no sir. But to deny the sun wasn't created til day 4, would be a lie. So it has to be something we are not understanding. And all I know is the only thing I have found to help me try to understand it, is in scripture.

No, the sun and the moos are not causal they are incidental. God is the causative agent in all of this. Material light does not originate from the sun it originates from God. So also, the operational laws of physics are dependent upon no other antecedent but God alone.

I find it too coincidental that, God started working on day 1, and here is God's wisdom, also understood as the light, claiming to be brought forth as the first of his works. I can't understand it all either, but I can't deny that God's word is perfect and that what the scripture said either.

This is not how this is represented throughout Prov 8.

 

[sltaylor]

Light is only a metaphor for wisdom but in Prov 8:23-31 wisdom as being describes as being with God before anything of the natural world was formed and was with God in the process of creation. It was not created in conjunction with the world of matter but is prerequisite to it. The light in Genesis one is that which is comprised of matter, not a metaphoric representation. The text does not suggest anything else. In Gen 1:3 the word is א֑וֹר and is used many times in the OT an is never rendered as wisdom.

So are you saying the scripture don't say it was brought forth as the first of his works? And what matter is this light comprised of? The expanse that IS THE universe is created on day two. So what or where in the world is this matter at, if the expanse of the sky that sun, moon and stars are put in hadn't even been created yet?

 

[oldhermit]

Yes. The Wisdom spoken of in Proverbs 8 is the third person of the Trinity - Holy Spirit.

This is a popular theory but is does not hold up because חָכְמָ֥ה is a feminine noun and God is NEVER represented in the feminine.

 

[Tintin]

This is a popular theory but is does not hold up because חָכְמָ֥ה is a feminine noun and God is NEVER represented in the feminine.

Hmm... Okay, I suppose you're right. I don't know Hebrew.

 

[sltaylor]

This is a popular theory but is does not hold up because חָכְמָ֥ה is a feminine noun and God is NEVER represented in the feminine.

You still haven't answered the question, does not the scripture say it was brought forth AS the FIRST of HIS Works? Yes or no?

 

[oldhermit]

So are you saying the scripture don't say it was brought forth as the first of his works?

No, I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that wisdom precedes everything in the creation of the natural world. The light represented in Gen 1:3 was created on the first day of creation AFTER the earth was already form and covered with water.