Daniels 70 weeks

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

ZEEK said:

Sin was in the world BEFORE the Law had even come...
GOD wanted all men to acknowledge HIS GRACE...and HIS GRACE is most visibly and clearly seen in HIS SON whom HE sent for the salvation of all men who would believe in HIM...

Blood always cleansed.
And there is only ONE who is both the PERFECT and HOLY and ACCEPTABLE OFFERING and the PERFECT and HOLY PRESIDER over the OFFERING.

And in the last days, after the earthly temple is rebuilt, the animal sacrifices for guilt and sin will be reinstated and to those who know THE TRUTH, this is an abomination.

So, where will the CHURCH be during this time to forewarn their older Jewish Brothers of this?

ZEEK · Jun 12, 2016

The Church just needs to preach the Truth.

Daniel's 70 Weeks is a great place to start, because this is a key reason why the Jews rejected Christ.

Obviously the main reason was their hard and impenitent hearts, but they were also blinded.

The blinding is in part due to Daniel's 70 Weeks apparently ending in 30 BC
They viewed 37-30 BC as the last week.

When no Messiah appeared, there was a great deal of skullduggery. The Talmud forbids Jews to study and understand Daniel's 70 Weeks.

Why do you think this is?

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

ZEEK said:

WHAT!? The Talmud forbids Jews to study and understand Daniel's 70 weeks? Or are they forbidden to read all of Daniel?
And why? why is it forbidden?

I have NEVER heard this until now...
I can't understand why?
Is it because, something I heard in passing, that Daniel, somehow left his positions as a "prophet before GOD"????

That is what I have heard someone say...that somehow when THE MAN IN LINEN (CHRIST) told Daniel to go his own way for the things would be for the time of the end, some have said that he deserted his position and became involved in the government of the people whom he lived amongst...almost as if Daniel had mixed with the enemy nation.

But that already is cleared up from the beginning of Daniel 1 that Daniel would not eat "food" from the "wrong king's table" lest he defile himself.

Daniel was strictly serving GOD in all things and because of it, GOD gave him understanding into all these hidden things...and Daniel ever and always gave the GLORY to GOD as the ONE who gave him all the understanding before all men...

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

Daniel's 70 weeks is not the place start.
The place to start is the TRUTH of CHRIST...

That is the place to start.

ZEEK · Jun 12, 2016

Well, very good question. I wish I knew the answer Miknik.

Daniel's 70 weeks is generally not understood because God added a punishment for the Levites to the punishment for Judah.

We have to go back to 2 Chronicles 11. There the Levites became bonded to Judah, (Southern Kingdom/Southern Israel).

So for God to punish the Levites, he needed to do it while Judah was still in existence. i.e. prior to their dissolution at the end of the 490 years.

The punishment for idolatry was to the third or fourth generation. I.E. 120 / 160 years, as a generation is 40 years.
So the 120 years of Levitical punishment was added INTO the Judah punishment.

120 + 490 = 610 years.

538 BC to 73 AD = 610 years.

I am guessing that when 30 BC (end of 490 years) passed, the Levitical priesthood realized they were in deep trouble....

ZEEK · Jun 12, 2016

It is a good place to start. The great delusion will be the 4th Levitical generation. The Fig Tree.
(The 4th year of the condemned fig tree)

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

ZEEK said:

All were in deep trouble according to Haggai 2
We aren't talking about an earthly priesthood, sir.
The levites, who had no inheritance in the things of this world,had an inheritance in THE LORD and were in service to the whole house...that is the tribes of Israal.

But CHRIST as a HIGH PRIEST in the order of Melchizadek, because HE is without genealogy and is before all things created is in SERVICE to ALL MEN, ALL NATIONS, ALL SONS...both the younger generational sons and the older generational sons...and HIS PRIESTHOOD is NOT limited to the twelve tribes of Israel.

That is why I said there is ONE HOUSE...and ONE over THE WHOLE HOUSE for THE FATHER...ONE SHEPHERD/ONE FLOCK/ONE BODY/ONE LORD...and all who are called into CHRIST and marked as belonging to GOD in CHRIST have an inheritance.

And their inheritance is IN THE LORD.

I suggest you review the 144, 000 and you will see that along with their levitical brothers, all are listed as having an inheritance in the LORD.

ONE JERUSALEM/ONE TEMPLE...
You can also review the "structure of THAT JERUSALEM/TEMPLE as per Revelation 21 and you will notice that the 24 elders are included in ONE HOUSE...on ONE FOUNDATION...and THAT FOUNDATION is CHRIST

Bookends · Jun 12, 2016

ZEEK said:

This is so rediculous. Jesus came proclaiming to repent for the "KINGDOM IS AT HAND" to the nation of Israel.

Bookends · Jun 12, 2016

ZEEK said:

The Mission of the Twelve

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans,6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim the good news, ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’

The House of Israel was right there in the Land of Israel, the nation, you can't have the House of Israel dispersed among the nations (gentiles) and in the Land of Israel at the same time. Jesus tells His disciples to go the House of Israel but do not go to the gentile lands or Samara.

DP · Jun 12, 2016

miknik5 said:

Those Rev.20-7-15 verses are of the time after... the "thousand years" reign of our Lord Jesus and His elect priests and kings.

Satan is loosed one final time upon the nations outside the gates of the holy city to deceive all those who would be deceived. That is not... today's time.

You're obviously confused because of the mention of Gog and Magog there. How someone can treat all those events in that Rev.20 chapter as if they occur at some other time than after Christ's 2nd coming is beyond me. Just mention of Gog and Magog again certainly is not... enough to make one move all those other Rev.20 events out of their given timeline!

Did you not notice the difference between the time of the Ezekiel 38-39 mention of Gog and Magog compared to the Rev.20 Gog and Magog? With the Ezek.38-39 timing, did Jesus' 2nd coming already happen then? No! Of course not. Nor is that Ezek.38-39 example about any such reign of Christ with His elect over all nations with a rod of iron!

How can you be so confused on those timeline differences?

Ezekiel 38-39 involves God's enemies coming upon Israel prior to Christ's 2nd coming. At the start of the Rev.20 chapter, Jesus' 2nd coming has already... happened, the rewards handed out, and His elect reigning over all nations with Satan locked up. That certainly is NOT happening today.

Gog and Magog is a symbolic title for Satan's host. That's why it's used again in Rev.20 after Christ's return and thousand years reign.

DP · Jun 12, 2016

Bookends said:

That's definitely a fallacy, since some of the ten tribes chose to remain with the house of Judah back in the days of Jeroboam. That does not detract from the fact that the great number of ten lost tribed house of Israel were... outside the holy lands still. Even still in 100 A.D., the Jewish historian Josephus testified to this fact of the majority of the ten tribes still being beyond Euphrates, and being an immense multitude.

DP · Jun 12, 2016

Bookends said:

Jesus came to JERUSALEM first, because that was what He had already prophesied back in the Old Testament prophets. Anna of Luke 2 being considered a Jew because of living in Judea actually was born of the tribe of Asher, showing she was from the remnant of ten tribes that left Jeroboam's northern kingdom of Israel refusing his golden calf idols.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

Those Rev.20-7-15 verses are of the time after... the "thousand years" reign of our Lord Jesus and His elect priests and kings.

Satan is loosed one final time upon the nations outside the gates of the holy city to deceive all those who would be deceived. That is not... today's time.

You're obviously confused because of the mention of Gog and Magog there. How someone can treat all those events in that Rev.20 chapter as if they occur at some other time than after Christ's 2nd coming is beyond me. Just mention of Gog and Magog again certainly is not... enough to make one move all those other Rev.20 events out of their given timeline!

Did you not notice the difference between the time of the Ezekiel 38-39 mention of Gog and Magog compared to the Rev.20 Gog and Magog? With the Ezek.38-39 timing, did Jesus' 2nd coming already happen then? No! Of course not. Nor is that Ezek.38-39 example about any such reign of Christ with His elect over all nations with a rod of iron!

How can you be so confused on those timeline differences?

Ezekiel 38-39 involves God's enemies coming upon Israel prior to Christ's 2nd coming. At the start of the Rev.20 chapter, Jesus' 2nd coming has already... happened, the rewards handed out, and His elect reigning over all nations with Satan locked up. That certainly is NOT happening today.

Gog and Magog is a symbolic title for Satan's host. That's why it's used again in Rev.20 after Christ's return and thousand years reign.

Let me get this straight. Are you telling me that JESUS is with us during the 1000 year reign?
Is that what you are saying?
That HE is reigning in HIS KINGDOM with those who have a part in the first resurrection during this time?

The reason I ask this is because I am confused as to why there are even gates during this time then?

Since there shouldn't be...
Correct?

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

Please expound FULLY Revelation 20:

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Final Judgment
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Then we can move on to Revelation 21

Bookends · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

Big deal! Jeruselam/Judea was considered Israel in Christ day. The potter's field was in Judea, but the children of Israel bought it. The New testament makes no distinction between the house of Israel or the nation of Israel. This is a man made interpretation to deny the Church of Christ their true identity. There is no need for a physical national Israel to emerge with temple, feast and sacrifice. Are we not to preach the gospel to the Jews? What if a Jew becomes a Christian, where does he stand, with the Christians or the nation/House of Israel?

[FONT=&quot]9 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,“And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]children of Israel[/FONT][FONT=&quot] priced, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 and gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord directed me.”[/FONT]

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

Jesus came to JERUSALEM because it was not possible that a "prophet" die outside of Jerusalem.
Jesus came to JERUSALEM to fulfill HIS WORDS that by HIS BLOOD HE would avenge the deaths of every prophet from Abel to Zechariah whose blood was cries out to HIM from the ground: HOW LONG OH SOVEREIGN LORD.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

I also think we need to be reminded of CHRIST"S LAMENT over JERUSALEM
How long HE desired to gather them as a MOTHER HEN gathers HER CHICKS????
But they would not have it.

Therefore HE sends prophets some they will stone and kill so that upon them shall come the blood of all the prophets.

For in TRUTH GOD sent HIS WORD from the beginning for one purpose...that men might come to KNOW HIM.

And even all the prophets sent had the same call:

If today you hear HIS VOICE, harden NOT your heart.

And CHRIST said...in them is the prophecy fulfilled...make the hearts of the people fat and give them eyes that see not and ears that hear not lest they should understand with the heart, turn, and HE should heal them

It's just that many still think they are well-healed and have no need for A PHYSICIAN.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

When is the fountain opened to the inhabitants of David?
During the 1000 year reign or after the battle spoken of in Revelation 20 and the NEW JERUSALEM spoken of in Revelation 21

DP · Jun 12, 2016

miknik5 said:

This right here is millennium timing...

Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

Have you never read Ezekiel 40 - 48?

The first resurrection is about Christ's elect that will reign with Him, as kings and priests. But the wicked are still going to exist outside the gates of the holy city on earth throughout that thousand years, which is who those nations of Rev.20 are.

Haven't you read what Jesus said about those cast to the "outer darkness"? That's the place outside the gates where the wicked will be.

In Rev.3, we are shown that even those of the "synagogue of Satan" will be made to come bow to Christ Jesus at the feet of His elect, which is what that millennial timing is about for the wicked. And those of God's people that erred, Ezekiel 44 says they will stand in judgment.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2016

DP said:

This right here is millennium timing...

Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

Have you never read Ezekiel 40 - 48?

The first resurrection is about Christ's elect that will reign with Him, as kings and priests. But the wicked are still going to exist outside the gates of the holy city on earth throughout that thousand years, which is who those nations of Rev.20 are.

Haven't you read what Jesus said about those cast to the "outer darkness"? That's the place outside the gates where the wicked will be.

In Rev.3, we are shown that even those of the "synagogue of Satan" will be made to come bow to Christ Jesus at the feet of His elect, which is what that millennial timing is about for the wicked. And those of God's people that erred, Ezekiel 44 says they will stand in judgment.

Nope.
That's after ALL THE VESSELS are marked HOLY to GOD.
Which is why I questioned why there even is a "gate" to begin with.

Daniels 70 weeks

Senior Member

Banned

Senior Member

Senior Member

Banned

Banned

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Banned

Banned

Banned

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Banned

Senior Member