Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

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gb9

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Hello UG,

If you believe what I have said above is not true then prove it.

Show me how any of the Calendars have effected the number of days in a week (1-7).

I have already told you in the previous posts that the only thing any of the calendars have changed is the number of days and weeks in the year. Did you read my posts? Changing the number of days in the year or the number of weeks in a year does NOT effect the number of days in a WEEK.

It is not very hard to understand if the number of days in the week have not been effected then either has knowing what day is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is every 7th Day of the week. :) The Jews and other people around the world have been keeping the Sabbath for thousands of years already.

You may want to think about an apology but I will leave that between you and God.
you might want to go first. the Sacred calendar was based on new moons. the current calendar is based on solar days. there is a 11 day difference in the two. that would make a difference. God gave very specific instructions on the calendar.

do some research. stop the cult thinking, and do your own.
 
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you might want to go first. the Sacred calendar was based on new moons. the current calendar is based on solar days. there is a 11 day difference in the two. that would make a difference. God gave very specific instructions on the calendar. do some research. stop the cult thinking, and do your own.
And how does this effect the number of days in a 7 day week?
 

gb9

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And how does this effect the number of days in a 7 day week?
i'll answer that as soon as you say if you believe in oneness or trinity. one question answered by you, one by me. fair enough?
 
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i'll answer that as soon as you say if you believe in oneness or trinity. one question answered by you, one by me. fair enough?
gb9,

Not meaning this in a negative way but do you have a memory problem as you seem to ask the same questions and say the same things. I did already answer this did you forget? Do you remember me posting lots of scripture in another thread when you asked this question as well as answering it?
 

gb9

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gb9,

Not meaning this in a negative way but do you have a memory problem as you seem to ask the same questions and say the same things. I did already answer this did you forget? Do you remember me posting lots of scripture in another thread when you asked this question as well as answering it?
thus says the God who ties what he had for lunch today back to Sabbath.

I am not asking you for Scripture, I am asking you what YOU believe, trinity or oneness.
 
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thus says the God who ties what he had for lunch today back to Sabbath.

I am not asking you for Scripture, I am asking you what YOU believe, trinity or oneness.
Like I said earlier did you forget that I answered this?
 

gb9

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all right, remind me where, I will look.
 
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Well you are not understanding,

If the cycle of seven was interrupted and restarted in the history of time keeping then present day Saturday cannot be the true seventh day/Sabbath, to be a the true seventh day (Sabbath) it would need be the true multiple of seven from before the death of Christ Jesus and continued without interruption or change in the cycle, we know from historical documents that the calendar was changed.

The SDA church has known this for a long time but has covered it up. You need to do some extensive research.

Here I will get you started and you can even go to the primary sources as any good researcher should, if you want to know what the truth is... that is...

This was the problem facing the Study Committee of 1995. To acknowledge that the Church's sole, unique contribution to Protestant theology was based upon a different method of time-keeping, was to open the floodgates to a problem they did not wish to deal with: i.e., the problem that the Biblical Sabbath is not Saturday!


In order to spare the corporate church the embarrassment of having to admit that Saturday was not actually the Biblical Sabbath, the Study Committee was shut down and the subject was suppressed. Or, as one committee member recalled, it was feared the truth "would blow up the Church." (Seventh Day Adventist - Study Committee 1995)


The Lunar Sabbath & the SDA Church

I doubt you will truly investigate but I pray you will be set free from your bondage.




Hello UG,

If you believe what I have said above is not true then prove it.

Show me how any of the Calendars have effected the number of days in a week (1-7).

I have already told you in the previous posts that the only thing any of the calendars have changed is the number of days and weeks in the year. Did you read my posts? Changing the number of days in the year or the number of weeks in a year does NOT effect the number of days in a WEEK.

It is not very hard to understand if the number of days in the week have not been effected then either has knowing what day is the Sabbath. The Sabbath is every 7th Day of the week. :) The Jews and other people around the world have been keeping the Sabbath for thousands of years already.

You may want to think about an apology but I will leave that between you and God.
 
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Well you are not understanding,

If the cycle of seven was interrupted and restarted in the history of time keeping then present day Saturday cannot be the true seventh day/Sabbath, to be a the true seventh day (Sabbath) it would need be the true multiple of seven from before the death of Christ Jesus and continued without interruption or change in the cycle, we know from historical documents that the calendar was changed.

The SDA church has known this for a long time but has covered it up. You need to do some extensive research.

Here I will get you started and you can even go to the primary sources as any good researcher should, if you want to know what the truth is... that is...

This was the problem facing the Study Committee of 1995. To acknowledge that the Church's sole, unique contribution to Protestant theology was based upon a different method of time-keeping, was to open the floodgates to a problem they did not wish to deal with: i.e., the problem that the Biblical Sabbath is not Saturday!


In order to spare the corporate church the embarrassment of having to admit that Saturday was not actually the Biblical Sabbath, the Study Committee was shut down and the subject was suppressed. Or, as one committee member recalled, it was feared the truth "would blow up the Church." (Seventh Day Adventist - Study Committee 1995)


The Lunar Sabbath & the SDA Church

I doubt you will truly investigate but I pray you will be set free from your bondage.
Well UG spreading lies is not going to help your cause. Now please tell me how any calendar changes have changed how many days there are in a week and how this effects the 4th commandments which is to Remember the 7th day of the week to keep it Holy? You are only in bondage if you are a salve to sin. Jesus has set me free to love him because he first loved a me and now bids me follow him. Sin will keep you out of God's Kingdom.
 
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It is obvious you do not understand what is the historical Sabbath/Seventh day and you are not interested in the deception of the SDA church. However, there maybe others surfing the web that may follow the link and seek out the facts.

Sin will keep you out of God's Kingdom
This statement tells me you have missed the Gospel.:(

It is also obvious you have an agenda here on CC....but that is okay because it also gives us, and there are many of us, that have debated with you, an opportunity to defend the true Gospel of Grace which is not law keeping.


Well UG spreading lies is not going to help your cause. Now please tell me how any calendar changes have changed how many days there are in a week and how this effects the 4th commandments which is to Remember the 7th day of the week to keep it Holy? You are only in bondage if you are a salve to sin. Jesus has set me free to love him because he first loved a me and now bids me follow him. Sin will keep you out of God's Kingdom.
 
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It is obvious you do not understand what is the historical Sabbath/Seventh day and you are not interested in the deception of the SDA church. However, there maybe others surfing the web that may follow the link and seek out the facts. This statement tells me you have missed the Gospel.:( It is also obvious you have an agenda here on CC....but that is okay because it also gives us, and there are many of us, that have debated with you, an opportunity to defend the true Gospel of Grace which is not law keeping.

So... is that a NO UG? You cannot tell me how any calendar changes effect how many days there are in a week? I didn't think so..............

We should BELIEVE God's Word over the teachings and traditions of men that lead people away from the Word of God to break the commandments of God. My agenda is only to point all to the Word of God and not to word of website of the teachings of men and to fulfill my duty of LOVE to God and my fellow man to help all prepare for the Kingdom of heaven.

If you do not know God's Word for yourself how can you know the truth? If you do not know the truth you will be carried about with every wind of doctrine.

Known unrepentant SIN will indeed keep all who are practicing it out of God's Kingdom. Read the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life but they are those that testify of Him who loves all. If you have SIN in your life you do not know him who loves all.

Now please read Acts 17:31-32; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:6 these are for you.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness you will be in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place. There is NO scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath.


May God help you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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gb9

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So... is that a NO UG? You cannot tell me how any calendar changes effect how many days there are in a week? I didn't think so..............

We should BELIEVE God's Word over the teachings and traditions of men that lead people away from the Word of God to break the commandments of God. My agenda is only to point all to the Word of God and not to word of website of the teachings of men and to fulfill my duty of LOVE to God and my fellow man to help all prepare for the Kingdom of heaven.

If you do not know God's Word for yourself how can you know the truth? If you do not know the truth you will be carried about with every wind of doctrine.

Known unrepentant SIN will indeed keep all who are practicing it out of God's Kingdom. Read the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life but they are those that testify of Him who loves all. If you have SIN in your life you do not know him who loves all.

Now please read Acts 17:31-32; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:6 these are for you.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness you will be in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place. There is NO scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath.


May God help you as you seek him through His Word.
how about one reads the whole Bible, and not just isolated verses?
 
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I looked at the link. no answer.

here is how a question is answered - do you believe in the Virgin Birth- yes I do ( or ) no I do not.

quoting Scripture is not a answer to the question of YOUR belief.
Gb9 now did you look at the link? That link said of course I do and was not the earlier post with all the scriptures saying the same thing
 

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Gb9 now did you look at the link? That link said of course I do and was not the earlier post with all the scriptures saying the same thing
that link did not answer the trinity or oneness question. as I said, quoting Scripture does not answer one's belief of it. I could quote verses out of the quran, that does not mean I believe it.
 
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that link did not answer the trinity or oneness question. as I said, quoting Scripture does not answer one's belief of it. I could quote verses out of the quran, that does not mean I believe it.
I believe all of God's Word. Jesus is God and one with the Father and Holy Spirit. These three are one. If we do not believe ALL of God's Word we are an UNBELIEVER because it is EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God that we are to live by.
 
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you might want to go first. the Sacred calendar was based on new moons. the current calendar is based on solar days. there is a 11 day difference in the two. that would make a difference. God gave very specific instructions on the calendar. do some research. stop the cult thinking, and do your own.
This is true only in reference to the annual festival sabbaths of Lev 23. The festival sabbaths are NOT the same as God's 4th commandment and could fall on any day of the week and governed by the New Moons. They have no reference and relation to God's 4th commandment. We follow the calendar given to us at creation in Genesis 1-2 which says...........

Genesis 1
1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2, And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3, And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4, And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5, And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6, And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7, And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8, And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9, And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10, And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11, And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass,4 the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12, And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13, And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14, And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15, And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16, And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17, And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19, And the evening and the morning were the
fourth day.
20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,8 and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21, And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22, And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23, And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24, And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25, And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28, And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth1 upon the earth.
29, And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing2 seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding3 seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30, And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life,14 I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31, And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3, And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Q. Ok let's put all this silliness behind us. Which day did God bless, sanctify and make a holy day?
A. The 7th day of the creation Week. Gen 2:2-3

Q. What day in the creation week was the MOON made?
A, The 4th day of the creation week. Gen 1:15-19.

Now if God made the Moon on the 4th day of the creation week and he made the 7th day of the creation week a HOLY day (Sabbath) then how can the NEW MOON be the beginning of the 7th day Sabbath?

No calendar changes throughout time have effected how many days there are in a week and God's Sabbath is the same day it always has been. Which is the same one the Jews and others have been keeping for thousands of years.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness w e are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place. There is NO scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath.
 
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I believe all of the Word from Genesis to the final amen of Revelation.........As for my understanding, it is from Jesus only, though at times via Paul........


Jaume

You are taking Romans 3:31 out of context. This is about the covenant of circumcision which no longer applies. We put our faith in the promise that God saidvtonPaul, that we are circumcised in heart of our flesh. Flesh being our human nature with its frailties, both physical and moral, and it's passions. This faith establishes the command of circumcision in order to be of Israel. Making of both gentile and Jew, the one new man of Spirit.

The Spiritual man or woman living in the Spirit, needs no law. Our heart is His.
 

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The ten commandments are not for all time.

They are only for people who HAVE NOT come to Christ. For people who don't believe in the New Covenant in Christ.


2 Corinthians 3:6-9
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

If the letter kills but the spirit gives life then to put yourself back under the 10 commandments after coming to Christ and receiving Life is to put yourself back under death.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
why is it whenever someone says we are not under law. People ASSUME we mean it is ok to go around and do those things.

Those things were sins before the law was given the law has nothing to do with committing or not committing those sins.
Grandpa is saying the Ten Commandments are only for non-Christians. Does that mean Christians are exempt? Perhaps he would like to expand on that?