Did Jesus ride a filthy creature triumphantly into Jerusalem

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yaright

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Actually, the response is inaccurate.
I would be out of place to judge you in the things you eat and the things that are unlawful for you to eat. To even imply you are wrong is extremely poor judgement. The strength and security of your faith is well noted.
 
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yaright

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Sometimes you do have to. Sometimes you get sick and tired of seeing lies propagated.
Sometimes you get tired of seeing "christians" that can't understand plain doctrine. Sometimes you get tired of seeing people that should be sucking on a bottle of milk choking on strong meat.
You have mentioned you believe in the things the Apostle Paul teaches, and yet you consider Colossians 2;16 as if it means nothing because your anger has blinded you.
 

AngelFrog

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Amen. Per the Bible there's a wealth of scripture that condemn swine. Jesus sent unclean spirits into a herd of swine so as to rid a man of their spirits and thereby drowned the pigs when they ran into the sea.

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And I would counter with the fact that there are far more Scriptures that plainly say God made pigs unclean as food, as opposed to your one verse that you think plainly says God made pigs clean for food.

I would rather go with a wealth of scriptures that points to a particular truth instead of trying to make 1 scripture present a truth that negates the others.

Fortunately, this isn't a salvation issue, and one that isn't worthy of some of the brash accusations you have made.
 
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You and I disagree on whether or not God cleansed pigs for food.
Ge 9:3 - all things are clean.

Lev 11 - pigs are ceremonially unclean.

Ro 14:14 - all things are clean.
 
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phil112

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You have mentioned you believe in the things the Apostle Paul teaches, and yet you consider Colossians 2;16 as if it means nothing because your anger has blinded you.
Point out where I disregarded Colossians 2:16. You can't? You know why you can't? Because it didn't happen. Which makes what you said a false accusation. You shouldn't do those sort of things friend.
You also accuse me of anger for displaying disgust. I am angry with no man, I hate no man, and I am no man's enemy. But people that try to teach false doctrine disgust me.
Tell ya what...you want to jump on the bandwagon with those that dislike me, better get some facts on your side. Not a pretty thing to see pettiness make a man say things that aren't accurate or true.
 
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phil112

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You have mentioned you believe in the things the Apostle Paul teaches, and yet you consider Colossians 2;16 as if it means nothing because your anger has blinded you.
Your problem, along with matt, is that you either don't understand the new testament supercedes old testament law, or you, as apparently does he, believe that old testament law applies to you. If either is true you are displaying a lack of depth and understanding of scripture. You, I don't know. matt, he knows better, he just chooses to disregard the sacrifice Christ made for him.
 

KohenMatt

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matt, he knows better, he just chooses to disregard the sacrifice Christ made for him.
Relax brother. Don't be overly dramatic. That's completely false.

I hold Jesus' sacrifice in the same regard as you. You just don't like how I do it. If you'd prefer, you could ask me directly about what I believe of Jesus' sacrifice instead of using a smaller point of belief to disprove my salvation.
 

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Phil, did you trade in that cheap 'made in China' saw for that darling dog?
 
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Jesus said if I be lifted up. What are you lifting up? Your works or His work?
 
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yaright

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Relax brother. Don't be overly dramatic. That's completely false.

I hold Jesus' sacrifice in the same regard as you. You just don't like how I do it. If you'd prefer, you could ask me directly about what I believe of Jesus' sacrifice instead of using a smaller point of belief to disprove my salvation.
I hope I didn't give the impression that your salvation was in question. The question of a specific interpretation some use to call into question concerning a person's salvation, which couldn't be further from the truth and I'll use this moment to share why.

In Mark 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

The way I've been shown is that the swine have a specific nature. When the demon possessed man took on that nature, by virtue of that nature, that man became a place demons are allowed. When that man began to worship Jesus, looking to Jesus for help. The parable shows the nature of a man and the nature of the swine as being similar until the man gave himself to Jesus. What happened to the swine after the demons entered them is the image of what happened to the man when he walked in sin, not caring or heeding the Word of God.

Now, after having said all that, even if a person cannot see this parable the way I've been shown, does not make that person any less a believer in Jesus Christ. Because when a person hears the Word of God, repents and follows the teaching of the One who said, "Follow Me" Then the law has been fulfilled in that person whether the parable is understood or not. This is true of everything I have spoken of on this site. When a person follows in the teaching of Jesus, the law is being fulfilled in them. Because the law was weak, this needed to take place.

It's true, I spoke of things that aren't easily understood, or even out right rejected, but that doesn't mean a person is not saved or born again. Even the Spirit intercedes for the things a person does not understand.

Thank you for your patience. Your reference to the sacrifice of the Lamb of God (I say it this way for my own benefit) is something that has been and is being done from generation to generation. This is the center piece most christians agree on. You are right to say that using the smaller points of belief to disprove your salvation is far and away one of the worst things one christian could say about the other.
 
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yaright

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IDK but He died for filthy stinking creatures like me.
This may be true, but it is also spoken by Jesus that your faith has made you clean. It's true, you have a past; but you also have a future that is far better than the path you first took.
 

KohenMatt

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I hope I didn't give the impression that your salvation was in question. The question of a specific interpretation some use to call into question concerning a person's salvation, which couldn't be further from the truth and I'll use this moment to share why.

In Mark 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

The way I've been shown is that the swine have a specific nature. When the demon possessed man took on that nature, by virtue of that nature, that man became a place demons are allowed. When that man began to worship Jesus, looking to Jesus for help. The parable shows the nature of a man and the nature of the swine as being similar until the man gave himself to Jesus. What happened to the swine after the demons entered them is the image of what happened to the man when he walked in sin, not caring or heeding the Word of God.

Now, after having said all that, even if a person cannot see this parable the way I've been shown, does not make that person any less a believer in Jesus Christ. Because when a person hears the Word of God, repents and follows the teaching of the One who said, "Follow Me" Then the law has been fulfilled in that person whether the parable is understood or not. This is true of everything I have spoken of on this site. When a person follows in the teaching of Jesus, the law is being fulfilled in them. Because the law was weak, this needed to take place.

It's true, I spoke of things that aren't easily understood, or even out right rejected, but that doesn't mean a person is not saved or born again. Even the Spirit intercedes for the things a person does not understand.

Thank you for your patience. Your reference to the sacrifice of the Lamb of God (I say it this way for my own benefit) is something that has been and is being done from generation to generation. This is the center piece most christians agree on. You are right to say that using the smaller points of belief to disprove your salvation is far and away one of the worst things one christian could say about the other.
Yaright, my post wasn't directed towards you. You've been respectful, yet confident Sharon what you believe truth to be,even on the face of those who might disagree. That approach is fruitful and appreciated.
 

JaumeJ

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Everyone rode a donkey at one timeor another in Israel.

It was not prohibited.

Jesus rode the donkey, He did not eat it, so what is the question¿
 
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Please show us where it says ceremonially.
Please show were it says "God is sovereign."

If they were clean in Ge 9:3 and clean again in Ro 14:14, the temporary uncleanness
of them in Lev 11 was a ceremonial uncleanness only, for the sake of teaching the
meaning of sin as spiritual uncleanness which must be purified.

ALL things?

Posion dart frogs? Nightshade mushrooms?
Were they unclean in Ge 9:3?
 

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This may be true, but it is also spoken by Jesus that your faith has made you clean. It's true, you have a past; but you also have a future that is far better than the path you first took.
Yeah, but it's the present that is the stickler.
 
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yaright

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Everyone rode a donkey at one timeor another in Israel.

It was not prohibited.

Jesus rode the donkey, He did not eat it, so what is the question¿
The question of my thread wasn't about the donkey being unlawful. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. The question wasn't even about the fulfillment of the law, though it's possible this may have come to light for some. My question is directed to those who see christians in the beginning of their walk. Are there times when we say things about those who are new in Christ, having just been saved by the blood of the Lamb of God; do we say in our hearts, with our lips, that what Jesus has just done wasn't good enough? The question reached deeper, to actually consider what took place when our King and High priest sat in the place of authority in our lives. Is the question of faith made void in our hearts?
 

KohenMatt

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Yaright, my post wasn't directed towards you. You've been respectful, yet confident Sharon what you believe truth to be,even on the face of those who might disagree. That approach is fruitful and appreciated.
Man, I hate typing on an iPad.

"respectful, yet confidently sharing what you belief truth to be."