Did Jesus ride a filthy creature triumphantly into Jerusalem

[yaright]

Yeah, but it's the present that is the stickler.

When is it the right time to say anything good? When is the right time to think anything good? If you want to be right, than I agree with you; but are you talking about someone else or are you talking about yourself? If you want me to consider both, than you are right; but when Jesus said that those who are given into His hands by His Father, that no man can remove them; Is this something good to talk about? Or is it bad for someone to talk about? These last two questions are about a person's faith. Is the ground we walk on in our faith worth fighting for? This battle is from within.

 

[JaumeJ]

Forgive my reply to the title only, but I do usually reply to the titles only since this is what "grabs" the attention of most readers. God bless you.

The question of my thread wasn't about the donkey being unlawful. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. The question wasn't even about the fulfillment of the law, though it's possible this may have come to light for some. My question is directed to those who see christians in the beginning of their walk. Are there times when we say things about those who are new in Christ, having just been saved by the blood of the Lamb of God; do we say in our hearts, with our lips, that what Jesus has just done wasn't good enough? The question reached deeper, to actually consider what took place when our King and High priest sat in the place of authority in our lives. Is the question of faith made void in our hearts?

 

[yaright]

Please show were it says "God is sovereign."

If they were clean in Ge 9:3 and clean again in Ro 14:14, the temporary uncleanness
of them in Lev 11 was a ceremonial uncleanness only, for the sake of teaching the
meaning of sin as spiritual uncleanness which must be purified.


Were they unclean in Ge 9:3?

I don't know if this will help on a personal level; The parts of creation written into law is more of an internal matter. If you choose to live under the law, this is the reason the language was meant for. Every law is given to teach us something about who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. AS a person follows in the teaching of Jesus "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me." Everything Jesus says and does is the fulfillment of law and words of the prophets. Religion will tend exploit the law, and add more just for good measure. Anyone who believes they live a pious life under the law have made the law weak in-as-much as the Law was given to show us our own sin. It would seem that the things of creation mentioned in the bible already, would be sufficient. But if you find the answer to your question, let me know, I would be interested in how the law has changed your life.

 

[TheAristocat]

If a person decided to degrade the Word of God for lack of discernment, would that person ever come to understand the foal of a donkey Jesus rode triumphantly into Jerusalem and gave his life? This is not only the fulfillment of an Old Testament Law, it is also about each and every one of those who are redeemed. Have you found yourself hidden in the personal teaching of this Law? It is hidden because our Father in Heaven gave witness, and the world did not believe.

Donkeys are unclean in that they are not considered food for us by God. They are not unclean in the sense that they foul us ceremonially if we touch them. There is no such law in the Old Testament. So, like another poster here, I'm not sure I follow.

 

[AngelFrog]

I really do not believe yaright, the screen name is a clear indicator of their intent here I think, is here to do anything but promote falsehood. No matter how many people correct their ignorance of scripture they insist on the same track. Feigning insight into what is hidden in God's word that learned people don't even see. Even when they're proven wrong they insist their way of reading it is true.

Heresy, comes to mind.

 

[MarcR]

Donkeys are unclean in that they are not considered food for us by God. They are not unclean in the sense that they foul us ceremonially if we touch them. There is no such law in the Old Testament. So, like another poster here, I'm not sure I follow.

I think that the intent of the OP is that the incongruity, with respect to public expectation, of the Messiah humbly riding a donkey was inconsistent with the expectation of a conquering King. The idea is that God's plan often differs widely from our expectations

 

[Elin]

Were they unclean in Ge 9:3?

But if you find the answer to your question, let me know,

I know the answer to my question, they were not unclean, nothing was unclean in Ge 9:3.

I would be interested in how the law has changed your life.

I don't change my life from spiritual death to eternal life.
That change is purely a gift of God in rebirth by the Holy Spirit, with which I had nothing to do
as I had nothing to do with my natural birth.

What has changed my life is God's indwelling Holy Spirit enabling me to obey Jesus' commands
as revealed in his words spoken in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

It is God's work in me from start to finish by his grace.

 

[TheAristocat]

I think that the intent of the OP is that the incongruity, with respect to public expectation, of the Messiah humbly riding a donkey was inconsistent with the expectation of a conquering King. The idea is that God's plan often differs widely from our expectations

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

I guess the unbelieving Jews should have expected something different?

 

[yaright]

Donkeys are unclean in that they are not considered food for us by God. They are not unclean in the sense that they foul us ceremonially if we touch them. There is no such law in the Old Testament. So, like another poster here, I'm not sure I follow.

Thank you for this post. You have brought me to this point which has not yet (to my knowledge) been defined. There are the food laws which teach the acceptable and the unacceptable. The creature natures like the donkey, the oxen, the mule, the horse; all have been shown in real time life language. This is one of the things I consider; but the distinction of strength and purpose ended for me with which were used for food (as a disciple or Apostle). The strength of a horse had more to do with armies. But whether they were or were not acceptable as food, I do not have a verse or teaching on my mind to give an answer.

The use of the word 'filthy' in the thread pertains to the person (the creature nature). It is a query into how christians consider the person whom Jesus gave His life for. Early in my walk, I remember pointing my finger out at the world, saying, "See what evil there is; surely the end times are here!" These are the words of a hypocrite, and then this question I asked in the thread caused me to ponder just how much, how many I maligned in my walk. This is the reason for "Did Jesus ride a filthy creature"
The rest of the sentence gave a specific direction of the question, "triumphantly into Jerusalem"

 

[MarcR]

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

I guess the unbelieving Jews should have expected something different?

If they had been looking to prophesy, they would not have been expecting a conquering King; and would have expected the Messiah to arrive on a donkey. That is the point. Popular expectations are often NOT Scripturally based.

 

[yaright]

If they had been looking to prophesy, they would not have been expecting a conquering King; and would have expected the Messiah to arrive on a donkey. That is the point. Popular expectations are often NOT Scripturally based.

Popular expectations? From which camp are you drawing this conclusion? This question isn't meant to be a challenge. I haven't talked with you enough to understand your thoughts.

 

[yaright]

Donkeys are unclean in that they are not considered food for us by God. They are not unclean in the sense that they foul us ceremonially if we touch them. There is no such law in the Old Testament. So, like another poster here, I'm not sure I follow.

I cannot seem to be able to join beasts of labor into Old Testament food laws. When Jesus was placed on the foal of a donkey, several years ago I researched the use of a saddle. I found, to my surprise, the teaching of the saddle is not mentioned in the New Testament. The Disciples placed there own outer garments on the donkey; which in some way speaks of the work of ceremony that would only be seen once. The sacrifice of a lamb to redeem the foal of a donkey could itself be considered ceremony, having been done in the works of tradition that speaks of things to come. But even then, I have not found the use of the saddle in the works of that tradition that speak of redeeming the foal. I would appreciate the witness if there is someone who has been shown. I need to go back to schooling for the things that still seem to be missing.