Do people actually speak in Tongues (for real) anymore?

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DesiredHaven

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Yeah, I mean wouldnt God know we speak English by now?

Why wouldnt He give these folks an English tongue when speaking in my presense?

So I can understand because theres rarely an interpreter present.

Is it so wrong to be a tad annoyed at all the noise when folks who can speak English speak incoherently in my presense when they have the ability to speak coherently?

Who do they believe they are edifying if Im not edified?

Themselves?

Cant they do that in their own prayer closet?
 
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phil112

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Willie-T said:
Hardly anyone (other than those who know me) would have any idea I speak in tongues. I said not one single word about speaking before the assembly. If you insist on being a religious sniper, do it with accuracy, not just with knee-jerk shot-gunning.
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Ah, but you spoke knowing the OP is talking about tongues in church. There is a marked difference and you should have no problem clarifying your position. Curious that the first thing you got was defensive.
 
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phil112

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peacefulbeliever said:
1 Cor. 12:7-11 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal - then nine manifestation of the Spirit are listed.
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AAhh..you're talking about gifts. peaceful, you need to be crystal clear when quoting scripture.
The Spirit, manifested, brings us gifts. The word matters. Quote it faithfully and accurately. Please.

1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."
 
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Vernon

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I believe the gift of tongues is given to proclaim the gospel to those who do not speak your language when used in public. In private the gift is used to edify your soul and increase faith.

I have not been given this gift, my understanding comes from what I have learned from scripture.

Just a thought.
 
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yaright

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I've listened to a few who claim to be speaking in tongues. One of the insights I gained is that because the bible speaks of tongues, some are compelled to make utterances for the sake of being biblically correct. Seems like a harsh assessment; But when I listened carefully, what I heard were the same utterances of a few syllables on a loop. It seems this takes place frequently among a few religions, but it isn't something all Christians religions feel compelled to agree on. Do I agree with what I've seen? No.
 
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phil112

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Vernon said:
I believe the gift of tongues is given to proclaim the gospel to those who do not speak your language when used in public. In private the gift is used to edify your soul and increase faith.

I have not been given this gift, my understanding comes from what I have learned from scripture.

Just a thought.
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And that is correct. How many languages do think there are that the bible HASN'T been translated to? Tongues haven't been needed, necessary, nor a part of Christ's church in a looooong time.
 
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phil112 said:
AAhh..you're talking about gifts. peaceful, you need to be crystal clear when quoting scripture.
The Spirit, manifested, brings us gifts. The word matters. Quote it faithfully and accurately. Please.

1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."
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Actually, I was talking about the manifestation of the Spirit . . . not gifts. I did quote scripture and I quoted 1 Co. 12:7 - immediately following 12:7, the manifestation of the Spirit are listed 8-10. So I did quote faithfully and accurately.

One gift - gift of holy spirit and this one gift has nine manifestations. Just as the "fruit of the Spirit" is not plural as in "fruits of the Spirit" but fruit which is displayed with nine manifestations - love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.

Thanks.
 
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Vernon said:
I believe the gift of tongues is given to proclaim the gospel to those who do not speak your language when used in public. In private the gift is used to edify your soul and increase faith.

I have not been given this gift, my understanding comes from what I have learned from scripture.

Just a thought.
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It is not for missionary work. The vocabulary is given by the Spirit via the gift of holy spirit - NOT chosen by the speaker.
 
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yaright said:
I've listened to a few who claim to be speaking in tongues. One of the insights I gained is that because the bible speaks of tongues, some are compelled to make utterances for the sake of being biblically correct. Seems like a harsh assessment; But when I listened carefully, what I heard were the same utterances of a few syllables on a loop. It seems this takes place frequently among a few religions, but it isn't something all Christians religions feel compelled to agree on. Do I agree with what I've seen? No.
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You are aware, are you not, that the angel choirs mentioned in the Bible just sang the same thing, over and over. That's something to consider when we humans deem that an articulate sermon has to be preached fluently in a worldly language if someone speaks. Acts spoke of the hearers "hearing" in their own tongue.

We are so quick to decide how God is required to do things.
 
Joidevivre

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I don't speak (to the body of Christians) in tongues in a public setting because I have never been used in that particular gift.

But I do pray privately in the Spirit. I find that the prayer comes from a deeper place than just from my own English language. And I can pray much longer in intercession - I do feel carried along and the sounds of a new language pours out. After doing this, I seem to have a clearer understanding of what to pray with my mind and understanding.

This is very difficult to explain - I can only agree with Paul in that I pray with the Spirit and I pray with the mind.

It is also something that came in short spurts years ago when it started. As I surrendered to it, and used it, it grew and greatly refreshed my spirit. It also gave me a new dimension of strength when I interceded for others. There is no way I could describe this - you only know it is the Holy Spirit when it happens to you.

It makes me sad when I read postings belittling this most precious and powerful move of the Holy Spirit in my praying.
 
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phil112

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Joidevivre said:
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It makes me sad when I read postings belittling this most precious and powerful move of the Holy Spirit in my praying.
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Speaking for myself, it isn't the gift that draws derision, but the misuse of it. Big difference.
 
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phil112

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peacefulbeliever said:
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One gift - gift of holy spirit and this one gift has nine manifestations..................
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But the bible doesn't say what you did. I know I rub folks the wrong way, but I am real big on scripture.
 
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kgraj

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Holy Spirit gifts are available to all believers..Some people pretend that they have a gift of tongues speaking.They try to pretend with unintelligible words. But they know the truth. I pray god bless these people abundantly.
 
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kgraj

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God can understand all voices in nature. God can know before we speak. Those people who speak in Tongues knows better than us that they are cheating themselves.What they need is salvation but not Tongues speaking.People can fool people but not God.we are not judges. we are only prayer warriors.We pray for all people with known languages in the world.
 
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All around the world........just last Wednesday I went into a Hispanic Grocery Store, and pretty much everyone there was speaking in a different tongue. Why is anyone surprised that "tongues" are still being spoken today?
 
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p_rehbein said:
All around the world........just last Wednesday I went into a Hispanic Grocery Store, and pretty much everyone there was speaking in a different tongue. Why is anyone surprised that "tongues" are still being spoken today?
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This of course is not what passes for tongues in the charismatic and Pentecostal churches. They cannot agree on what defines tongues in the Holy Spirit.

It must be noted that pagans spoke in tongues. Unknowable tongues were pagan tongues spoken or prayed over and over again with the hope by the repetition of their tongues their gods would hear them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
It is not for missionary work. The vocabulary is given by the Spirit via the gift of holy spirit - NOT chosen by the speaker.
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So you are claiming that God causes us to act against our will?

Seems that the early church used them for missionary work. Paul especially was a very active missionary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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phil112 said:
But the bible doesn't say what you did. I know I rub folks the wrong way, but I am real big on scripture.
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One gift - gift of holy spirit and this one gift has nine manifestations.......
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Acts 2:38 Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of holy spirit.
Acts 1:4,5 . . . but wait for the promise of the Father, which ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the holy spirit not many days hence.
Acts 10:45, 11:17 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of holy spirit. . . . . For as much then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

How did they know the Gentiles had received the "like gift"? What was manifested? For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God (v46)

Now concerning spiritual gifts - the word gifts is added here. The word spiritual pnuematikos meaning belonging to the Divine Spirit, A. of God the Holy Spirit, B. one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God, i.e. spiritual matters or things of God
v4. . . there are diversities of gifts - There are different kinds of gifts from God - there is the free gift - gift by grace resulting in justification, there is the gift of righteousness, there is the gift of eternal life, the gift of salvation . . . there is the gift of holy spirit. Then we see in v7 - BUT - now we know the subject is going to change - now the subject is manifestation of the Spirit.

You didn't rub me the wrong way - I too am real big on scripture :) - This is what I see the scripture as saying . . .
 
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