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Of what value would it be to a man who ONLY understands the Russian tongue if God the Holy Spirit spoke to him in Latin?
Of what value would it be to a man who ONLY understands the Spanish tongue if God the Holy Spirit spoke to him in Greek?
God is not the Author of confusion.............if God the Holy Spirit speaks to me in one of the hundreds of Chinese dialects, of what value is it to me?
tongues = languages
what is not to understand?
Of what value would it be to a man who ONLY understands the Spanish tongue if God the Holy Spirit spoke to him in Greek?
God is not the Author of confusion.............if God the Holy Spirit speaks to me in one of the hundreds of Chinese dialects, of what value is it to me?
tongues = languages
what is not to understand?
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 1Cor14:14&15
[SUP] [/SUP]I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue 18&19
[SUP] [/SUP]I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue 18&19
Didn't understand your post,
yo te amo compadre es bien, much gusto para espanol, e taco bell!
my bad Paul.......
btw you know i liked avatar #4
but i don't hate you for picking #3
Have a great day Paul
yo te amo compadre es bien, much gusto para espanol, e taco bell!
my bad Paul.......
btw you know i liked avatar #4
but i don't hate you for picking #3
Have a great day Paul
Had no choice with the Avatar, I agreed to select the one that got the most votes..............just saying..........
Acts, Chapter 2
1 .) And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 .) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 .) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 .) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 .) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 .) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 .) And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 .) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 .) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 .) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 .) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 .) And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
1 .) And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 .) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 .) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 .) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 .) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 .) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 .) And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 .) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 .) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 .) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 .) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 .) And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
For anyone who speaks in a tongue[SUP][a][/SUP] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 1Cor14:2
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But in the church.... verse 18
So Paul speaks in tongues outside of the church to God-not to people, for no one would understand him.
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But in the church.... verse 18
So Paul speaks in tongues outside of the church to God-not to people, for no one would understand him.
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Nope truth does not offend me! Those that don't understand speaking in tongues always call it babbling not understanding that when one speaks in a tongue he speaks not unto men but unto God. If there is a very diverse congregation someone may understand the language spoken. BTW, I never said those verses weren't added and I haven't used those verses in this thread.
I have read other translations. All these translations say basically the same thing just in a different way. It is another language one that the speaker does NOT know.
I never said tongues were "babbling" In line with the video you posted - I did say that these manifestations can be misused. The "babbling" you hear is a real language to someone - the way it is being used in that gathering is wrong! 1 Corinthians 14 describes how these manifestations should be handled in a church meeting. Satan has done a great job of deceiving people when it comes to the manifestation of the Spirit - mixing truth with error to the point that people despise the energizing of the gift of holy spirit. I do not like churches that abuse the manifestations in this manner and use what they call "holy laughter", "holy barking", etc. which is totally off from the instructions given.
Yes, God is not a God of disorder but of peace and all things should be done decently and in order.
Also you may want to read more modern translations so you can understand what is written instead of jumping to conclusions based on poor biblical comprehension from reading the archaic KJV language to support error.
Let's look at that same verses in more modern translations in context and let's start from verse 37-40 shall we?......
GWT
37Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the Lord commands. 38But whoever ignores what I write should be ignored.
39So, brothers and sisters, desire to speak what God has revealed, and don't keep anyone from speaking in other languages. 40 Everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.
HCSB
37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, he should recognize that what I write to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he will be ignored.ae 39Therefore, my brothers, be eageraf to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in other languages. 40But everything must be done decentlyag and in order.
ISV
37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he should be ignored.p 39Therefore, my brothers, desire the ability to prophesy, and do not prevent others from speaking in foreign languages. 40But everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.
WEB
37If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him recognize the things which I write to you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. 38But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Therefore, brothers, desire earnestly to prophesy, and don't forbid speaking with other languages. 40Let all things be done decently and in order.
WBT
37If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in languages. 40Let all things be done decently, and in order.
Perhaps you should balance what you read in the KJV with more modern translations. It's about those moved by the Holy Spirit to speak (prophesy) who speak different languages kinda like we speak English and if someone who spoke Portuguese stood up and spoke about God being moved by the Holy Spirit (prophesied) we could not understand them and would need an interpreter so things would be done in order. This is not about babbling (tongues) like a possessed person like you see here.......
1 Corinthians 14:33 GWT
God is not a God of disorder but a God of peace. As in all the churches of God's holy people,
Let's look at that same verses in more modern translations in context and let's start from verse 37-40 shall we?......
GWT
37Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the Lord commands. 38But whoever ignores what I write should be ignored.
39So, brothers and sisters, desire to speak what God has revealed, and don't keep anyone from speaking in other languages. 40 Everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.
HCSB
37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, he should recognize that what I write to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he will be ignored.ae 39Therefore, my brothers, be eageraf to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in other languages. 40But everything must be done decentlyag and in order.
ISV
37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he should be ignored.p 39Therefore, my brothers, desire the ability to prophesy, and do not prevent others from speaking in foreign languages. 40But everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.
WEB
37If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him recognize the things which I write to you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. 38But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Therefore, brothers, desire earnestly to prophesy, and don't forbid speaking with other languages. 40Let all things be done decently and in order.
WBT
37If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in languages. 40Let all things be done decently, and in order.
Perhaps you should balance what you read in the KJV with more modern translations. It's about those moved by the Holy Spirit to speak (prophesy) who speak different languages kinda like we speak English and if someone who spoke Portuguese stood up and spoke about God being moved by the Holy Spirit (prophesied) we could not understand them and would need an interpreter so things would be done in order. This is not about babbling (tongues) like a possessed person like you see here.......
[video=youtube;EqfYp8zoy5I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqfYp8zoy5I[/video]
1 Corinthians 14:33 GWT
God is not a God of disorder but a God of peace. As in all the churches of God's holy people,
I never said tongues were "babbling" In line with the video you posted - I did say that these manifestations can be misused. The "babbling" you hear is a real language to someone - the way it is being used in that gathering is wrong! 1 Corinthians 14 describes how these manifestations should be handled in a church meeting. Satan has done a great job of deceiving people when it comes to the manifestation of the Spirit - mixing truth with error to the point that people despise the energizing of the gift of holy spirit. I do not like churches that abuse the manifestations in this manner and use what they call "holy laughter", "holy barking", etc. which is totally off from the instructions given.
Yes, God is not a God of disorder but of peace and all things should be done decently and in order.
i agree with brother Paul.......
1Corinthians 14:9
"Yet, in order to teach others in church, I would rather say five words that can be understood than ten thousand words in another language."
i do not agree at all with you that those in the video are "speaking a real language that someone understands", looks like fraud to me and nothing but a bunch of "babbling" and gibberish and i think they know it.
Perhaps those in the Pentecostal Churches, Revival Meetings, Quaker gatherings and Methodist groups may accept this and even some other Protestant churches but i'm not buying it....... sorry.
1Corinthians 14:9
"Yet, in order to teach others in church, I would rather say five words that can be understood than ten thousand words in another language."
i do not agree at all with you that those in the video are "speaking a real language that someone understands", looks like fraud to me and nothing but a bunch of "babbling" and gibberish and i think they know it.
Perhaps those in the Pentecostal Churches, Revival Meetings, Quaker gatherings and Methodist groups may accept this and even some other Protestant churches but i'm not buying it....... sorry.
I agree with brother Paul also -
v10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification . . v13 Wherefore let him that speaks in an tongue pray that he may interpret.
v4,5 He that speaketh in an tongue edifieth himself: but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.v4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. I would like for every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one I would that you all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret that the church may receive edifying.
key word "looks like fraud to me and nothing but a bunch of "babbling" . . . And it would especially since you do not believe in the manifestation of speaking in tongues - an unknown language to the person speaking given by God.
And by all means it is your prerogative to believe it or not.
v10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification . . v13 Wherefore let him that speaks in an tongue pray that he may interpret.
v4,5 He that speaketh in an tongue edifieth himself: but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.v4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. I would like for every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one I would that you all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret that the church may receive edifying.
key word "looks like fraud to me and nothing but a bunch of "babbling" . . . And it would especially since you do not believe in the manifestation of speaking in tongues - an unknown language to the person speaking given by God.
And by all means it is your prerogative to believe it or not.