Do people actually speak in Tongues (for real) anymore?

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peacefulbeliever

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notuptome said:
So you are claiming that God causes us to act against our will?

Seems that the early church used them for missionary work. Paul especially was a very active missionary.

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No - God does NOT cause us to act against our will. I don't see where the early church used "them" for missionary work. I see where the apostles were filled with holy spirit and began to speak in tongues - as they spoke God gave them the "language" and it being the time of the Feast of Pentecost - MANY people there HEARD their language being spoken and were AMAZED. Why? Because these men (apostles) did not KNOW the language.

1 Co. 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing [distributing] to every man severally [idios - pertaining to one's self, one's own, belonging to one's self] as he will [to will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded]

All these [all the previous manifestation of the Spirit] are energized by that one and the selfsame Spirit [God] distributing to every man [believer] one's own as every man deliberately purposes to manifest.
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
No - God does NOT cause us to act against our will. I don't see where the early church used "them" for missionary work. I see where the apostles were filled with holy spirit and began to speak in tongues - as they spoke God gave them the "language" and it being the time of the Feast of Pentecost - MANY people there HEARD their language being spoken and were AMAZED. Why? Because these men (apostles) did not KNOW the language.

1 Co. 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing [distributing] to every man severally [idios - pertaining to one's self, one's own, belonging to one's self] as he will [to will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded]

All these [all the previous manifestation of the Spirit] are energized by that one and the selfsame Spirit [God] distributing to every man [believer] one's own as every man deliberately purposes to manifest.
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So is this how it works in your church? One speaks and others hear in their own tongue?

For the cause of Christ
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Willie-T

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notuptome said:
So is this how it works in your church? One speaks and others hear in their own tongue?

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That exact thing HAS happened at our church. I can only surmise that is what God wanted to happen at that time, for that man listening.
 
peacefulbeliever

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notuptome said:
So is this how it works in your church? One speaks and others hear in their own tongue?

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I have heard of it happening, but have not seen it for myself although I would love to . . . .

 
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peacefulbeliever said:
I have heard of it happening, but have not seen it for myself although I would love to . . . .
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This happens quite frequently with churches that are in unity and are rich in ethnic diversity.

It also happens all the time on the mission field.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if sometimes people speak in tongues, but I think there are times people think they are speaking in tongues when they really aren't. How often is there a need to speak in tongues?
 
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Short answer:
[SUP]" [/SUP]And these signs will accompany those who do trust: in my name they will drive out demons, speak with new tongues, [SUP] [/SUP]not be injured if they handle snakes or drink poison, and heal the sick by laying hands on them.” (Mark 16:17-18)

Long answer:
This is the exact problem with speaking in tongues today. Being that I had and am presently attending a Pentecostal/Apostolic denomination have seen both. Yes some do actually speak in another language, plus some can be heavenly language, either way I seen people interpret the tongue who had that native language and then few (which should be all according to the Bible) interpret their own tongue. I also seen a lot just do what the church of Corinth was doing, which is not tongues and something else. You can discern by their fruits if it's real or fake. I speak in tongues, but work on keeping it to my self because I have not yet received the gift to interpret my tongue as the Bible says. My grandmother on the other hand has the gift of tongues and interpretation.

Warning:
Though not as great as prophecy and prophecy not as great as love, it is a gift. So please be careful in saying "what's the use" and people just look "like their insane most of the time." It is a gift of the Spirit and speaking against the gift is as speaking against the gift giver, so again, be careful in how you speak of it.
 
AuphirahQueen

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I do believe in the Heavenly Language(Speaking in Tongues) because it is my communication to ABBA through the Holy Spirit. Heavenly Language is a private communication between ABBA and me. When I am being attack by darkness in high places, trials, pain, confusion, wilderness I shall PRAY in Heavenly Language through the Holy Spirit. I am praying for protection, guidance, instructions, deliverance, victory, strength, mercy, grace, presence of ABBA to rain down abound me and ABBA ministering to me. Hallelujah!!



[h=3]Mark Chapter 16[/h][SUP]15[/SUP] And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16[/SUP] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[SUP]17[/SUP] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[SUP]18[/SUP] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.



[h=1]1 Corinthians 14:22[/h]Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Corinthians 14:22.


[h=2]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.[/h]
 
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MyLighthouse said:
Short answer:
[SUP]" [/SUP]And these signs will accompany those who do trust: in my name they will drive out demons, speak with new tongues, not be injured if they handle snakes or drink poison, and heal the sick by laying hands on them.” (Mark 16:17-18)

Long answer:
This is the exact problem with speaking in tongues today. Being that I had and am presently attending a Pentecostal/Apostolic denomination have seen both. Yes some do actually speak in another language, plus some can be heavenly language, either way I seen people interpret the tongue who had that native language and then few (which should be all according to the Bible) interpret their own tongue. I also seen a lot just do what the church of Corinth was doing, which is not tongues and something else. You can discern by their fruits if it's real or fake. I speak in tongues, but work on keeping it to my self because I have not yet received the gift to interpret my tongue as the Bible says. My grandmother on the other hand has the gift of tongues and interpretation.

Warning:
Though not as great as prophecy and prophecy not as great as love, it is a gift. So please be careful in saying "what's the use" and people just look "like their insane most of the time." It is a gift of the Spirit and speaking against the gift is as speaking against the gift giver, so again, be careful in how you speak of it.
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The gift of interpreting a tongue is not needed for you to interpret your own prayer tongue. The Bible says in 1 cor 14.13 that we can pray for interpretation

1 Cor 14.13 says:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

Your private prayer language is not the gift of divers tongues found in 1 Cor 12.

Also remember this, that tongues and proper interpretation found in 1 Cor 12 is = prophecy, if the interpretation testifies of Jesus and edifies, exhorts and comforts men.

Your Grandmother is operating in the gifts found in 1 Cor 12. If your Grandmother just gave the divers kinds of tongues and someone else interpreted that message, it is still in order and Biblical, so as long it is by 2 or most 3.
 
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AuphirahQueen said:
I do believe in the Heavenly Language(Speaking in Tongues) because it is my communication to ABBA through the Holy Spirit. Heavenly Language is a private communication between ABBA and me. When I am being attack by darkness in high places, trials, pain, confusion, wilderness I shall PRAY in Heavenly Language through the Holy Spirit. I am praying for protection, guidance, instructions, deliverance, victory, strength, mercy, grace, presence of ABBA to rain down abound me and ABBA ministering to me. Hallelujah!!



Mark Chapter 16

[SUP]15[/SUP] And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16[/SUP] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
[SUP]17[/SUP] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[SUP]18[/SUP] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.



1 Corinthians 14:22

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of 1 Corinthians 14:22.


Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
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Okay, since you quote scripture to validate babbling, tell me this: How many devils have you cast out? How many sick people have you healed? For you to believe tongues are for public display, you must also believe the rest of those scriptures applies to you. Do you also pick up rattlers? Some people do, and the bible here says, if you interpret it as you do, that you too, must do so.
 
GracethroughfaithinChrist

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phil112 said:
Okay, since you quote scripture to validate babbling, tell me this: How many devils have you cast out? How many sick people have you healed? For you to believe tongues are for public display, you must also believe the rest of those scriptures applies to you. Do you also pick up rattlers? Some people do, and the bible here says, if you interpret it as you do, that you too, must do so.
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i totally agree brother Phil.......wonder if those who support babbling as such have ever come to learn that Mark 16 ended at verse 8 and later some translators added verses 9-20.......

"Although the vast majority of later Greek manuscripts contain Mark 16:9-20, the Gospel of Mark ends at verse 8 in two of the oldest and most respected manuscripts, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. As the oldest manuscripts are known to be the most accurate because there were fewer generations of copies from the original autographs (i.e., they are much closer in time to the originals), and the oldest manuscripts do not contain vv. 9-20, we can conclude that these verses were added later by scribes. The King James Version of the Bible, as well as the New King James, contains vv. 9-20 because the King James used medieval manuscripts as the basis of its translation. Since 1611, however, older and more accurate manuscripts have been discovered and they affirm that vv. 9-20 were not in the original Gospel of Mark."

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible?
 
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i totally agree brother Phil.......wonder if those who support babbling as such have ever come to learn that Mark 16 ended at verse 8 and later some translators added verses 9-20.......

"Although the vast majority of later Greek manuscripts contain Mark 16:9-20, the Gospel of Mark ends at verse 8 in two of the oldest and most respected manuscripts, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. As the oldest manuscripts are known to be the most accurate because there were fewer generations of copies from the original autographs (i.e., they are much closer in time to the originals), and the oldest manuscripts do not contain vv. 9-20, we can conclude that these verses were added later by scribes. The King James Version of the Bible, as well as the New King James, contains vv. 9-20 because the King James used medieval manuscripts as the basis of its translation. Since 1611, however, older and more accurate manuscripts have been discovered and they affirm that vv. 9-20 were not in the original Gospel of Mark."

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible?
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Boy, I'll bet things like this give the KJV crowd a fit.
 
peacefulbeliever

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GracethroughfaithinChrist said:
i totally agree brother Phil.......wonder if those who support babbling as such have ever come to learn that Mark 16 ended at verse 8 and later some translators added verses 9-20.......

"Although the vast majority of later Greek manuscripts contain Mark 16:9-20, the Gospel of Mark ends at verse 8 in two of the oldest and most respected manuscripts, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. As the oldest manuscripts are known to be the most accurate because there were fewer generations of copies from the original autographs (i.e., they are much closer in time to the originals), and the oldest manuscripts do not contain vv. 9-20, we can conclude that these verses were added later by scribes. The King James Version of the Bible, as well as the New King James, contains vv. 9-20 because the King James used medieval manuscripts as the basis of its translation. Since 1611, however, older and more accurate manuscripts have been discovered and they affirm that vv. 9-20 were not in the original Gospel of Mark."

Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible?
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I have heard this regarding Mark also but that doesn't negate the fact that God saw fit to include 3 chapters in 1 Corinthians explaining spiritual matters in order that we would not be ignorant concerning them, the manifestation of the Spirit, how these manifestations should operate in the church and 14:37-39 says:

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues.
 
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GracethroughfaithinChrist said:
i totally agree brother Phil.......wonder if those who support babbling as such have ever come to learn that Mark 16 ended at verse 8 and later some translators added verses 9-20.......
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Complete and utter rubbish, I recommend you go and do a bit of research on the matter and speak as one who is "informed" and not one who speaks out of "ignorance"!
 
GracethroughfaithinChrist

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peacefulbeliever said:
I have heard this regarding Mark also but that doesn't negate the fact that God saw fit to include 3 chapters in 1 Corinthians explaining spiritual matters in order that we would not be ignorant concerning them, the manifestation of the Spirit, how these manifestations should operate in the church and 14:37-39 says:

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues.
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Yeah.... and it does NOT negate the fact that those verses were added to Mark.
That's something you and every other supporter of babbling is going to have to deal with. Does the truth offend you?

Also you may want to read more modern translations so you can understand what is written instead of jumping to conclusions based on poor biblical comprehension from reading the archaic KJV language to support error.
Let's look at that same verses in more modern translations in context and let's start from verse 37-40 shall we?......

GWT
37Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is spiritually gifted must acknowledge that what I write to you is what the Lord commands. 38But whoever ignores what I write should be ignored.
39So, brothers and sisters, desire to speak what God has revealed, and don't keep anyone from speaking in other languages. 40 Everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.

HCSB
37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, he should recognize that what I write to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he will be ignored.ae 39Therefore, my brothers, be eageraf to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in other languages. 40But everything must be done decentlyag and in order.

ISV
37If anyone thinks he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he must acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, he should be ignored.p 39Therefore, my brothers, desire the ability to prophesy, and do not prevent others from speaking in foreign languages. 40But everything must be done in a proper and orderly way.

WEB
37If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him recognize the things which I write to you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. 38But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Therefore, brothers, desire earnestly to prophesy, and don't forbid speaking with other languages. 40Let all things be done decently and in order.

WBT
37If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in languages. 40Let all things be done decently, and in order.

Perhaps you should balance what you read in the KJV with more modern translations. It's about those moved by the Holy Spirit to speak (prophesy) who speak different languages kinda like we speak English and if someone who spoke Portuguese stood up and spoke about God being moved by the Holy Spirit (prophesied) we could not understand them and would need an interpreter so things would be done in order. This is not about babbling (tongues) like a possessed person like you see here.......:rolleyes:
[video=youtube;EqfYp8zoy5I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqfYp8zoy5I[/video]
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1 Corinthians 14:33 GWT
God is not a God of disorder but a God of peace. As in all the churches of God's holy people,
 
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Don't know how something so simple can be so misunderstood?

Hey, HEY...............get out your King James Bible............turn to the very first page..........no, no, BEFORE Genesis.......the very first page............READ..............

THE
HOLY BIBLE

TRANSLATED OUT OF THE ORIGIONAL TONGUES



deal with it!
 
GracethroughfaithinChrist

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jb said:
Complete and utter rubbish, I recommend you go and do a bit of research on the matter and speak as one who is "informed" and not one who speaks out of "ignorance"!
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Sometimes the truth hurts huh? especially when you realize you have been deceived by men into babbling cause you like lies and hate truth? .......please:rolleyes:
 
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