Do we Have to Believe the Doctrines the Apostles Taught in Order to get to Heaven?

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To attempt to obey all the commandments God and Jesus gave us is not in any way adding to the commandments. "YOU JUST HATE CERTAIN COMMANDMENTS GOD GAVE US".
No, I try to obey all the commandments God and Jesus gave us. However, I don't consider the teachings of the Apostles commandments. Only God and Jesus could give us commandments.
 
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No, I try to obey all the commandments God and Jesus gave us. However, I don't consider the teachings of the Apostles commandments. Only God and Jesus could give us commandments.
Jesus gave authority to the apostles. You need to be more submissive instead of dismissive.
 

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Something smells like troll.
 
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Jesus gave authority to the apostles. You need to be more submissive instead of dismissive.
When did Jesus give the Apostles authority to give us more commandments? He had already given us the commandments. When did he say, "There are more commandments, and my Apostles will tell you what they are"? He never said such a thing. He just told them to go out and spread the Gospel.
 
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When did Jesus give the Apostles authority to give us more commandments? He had already given us the commandments. When did he say, "There are more commandments, and my Apostles will tell you what they are"? He never said such a thing. He just told them to go out and spread the Gospel.
Which commandments do believe the apostles added?
 
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Which commandment do believe the apostles added?
They didn't intend to add any. It only came afterwards that in some people's minds, their teachings were given equal status to the teachings of Jesus.
 
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Jesus didn't give us the Apostles to not be believed.
Jesus never intended for the Apostles to be viewed as gods. However, some people did start viewing them as gods. The Apostles were people like us doing their best to spread the Gospel. Give them the credit they deserve, but don't deify them.
 

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Sorry but I can't say yes or no because the question and the choosing yes or no is an obvious trap.
But I will say this doctrine is not as important as the actual relationship with God himself. Not a single one of us has all the answers and not a single one of us has all the correct doctrine because we as humans are flawed and lack the insight and understanding God has.

Doctrine is only a word, a word to describe what we see think and believe from the scriptures and about God denominations doctrines branches and tress of the Christian faith is extremely annoying to me because I hate how these things separate and divide the body of Christ, we don't come together we separate and as Jesus wisely said a kingdom divided cannot stand. God has been trying for a long time to wake his children up, do you think he is happy how something as small as difference in understanding of him the bible and of his kingdom is more than enough to make us go at war with each other and attack and mock and to condemn each other?

There is a reason that God's power and glory does not shine like it could and we are that reason, the body is left ineffective and lacking because we as the body are divided and against each other.
 

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Yes or No?

To make it much easier on everyone here to understand where you are coming from on this issue, please answer the question with a "Yes" or "No" before explaining your position in more detail.
Yes, the gospel of Jesus Christ was revealed to the Apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

Please someone who disagrees post Scripture from Matthew, Mark, Luke or John that states the gospel as the death, burial and resurrection for our sins.
 
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Sorry but I can't say yes or no because the question and the choosing yes or no is an obvious trap.
But I will say this doctrine is not as important as the actual relationship with God himself. Not a single one of us has all the answers and not a single one of us has all the correct doctrine because we as humans are flawed and lack the insight and understanding God has.

Doctrine is only a word, a word to describe what we see think and believe from the scriptures and about God denominations doctrines branches and tress of the Christian faith is extremely annoying to me because I hate how these things separate and divide the body of Christ, we don't come together we separate and as Jesus wisely said a kingdom divided cannot stand. God has been trying for a long time to wake his children up, do you think he is happy how something as small as difference in understanding of him the bible and of his kingdom is more than enough to make us go at war with each other and attack and mock and to condemn each other?

There is a reason that God's power and glory does not shine like it could and we are that reason, the body is left ineffective and lacking because we as the body are divided and against each other.

Your eternal salvation hangs in the balance. If you don't know the "Yes" or "No" answer to this thread, you have serious spiritual problems. This question is not a trap, because, in reality, this question only has one answer.
 
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Your eternal salvation hangs in the balance. If you don't know the "Yes" or "No" answer to this thread, you have serious spiritual problems. This question is not a trap, because, in reality, this question only has one answer.
There is a time to teach and a time to learn. Do you ever take time to learn?
 

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No, only the shed blood of Jesus dying for our sins makes going to heaven possible. Heaven is not something that is earned but rather given by the grace of God.
 

Blain

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Your eternal salvation hangs in the balance. If you don't know the "Yes" or "No" answer to this thread, you have serious spiritual problems. This question is not a trap, because, in reality, this question only has one answer.
Oh does it now? strange I could have sworn my eternal salvation hung in the balance of Jesus Christ himself not a yes or no question. And I suppose one could assume it's a trap and it's really not but forgive me if I am wrong but the sense I get from your question is you want people to say yes or no knowing that would cause strife with each other.

I could care less what the answer to your question is for me because I don't base my walk with him on doctrine, if I am in the wrong about my beliefs I trust him to show me and to guide me to the truth I don't see doctrine when I think discuss study and walk with God I only see him. I only want to unite and bring the body of Christ together and doctrine is probably one of the greatest walls that keeps the body from doing so
 
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No, only the shed blood of Jesus dying for our sins makes going to heaven possible. Heaven is not something that is earned but rather given by the grace of God.
Jesus did not shed his blood for people to continue to crucify him.
 
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Your eternal salvation hangs in the balance. If you don't know the "Yes" or "No" answer to this thread, you have serious spiritual problems. This question is not a trap, because, in reality, this question only has one answer.
I think what Blain is trying to say is that there are many doctrinal differences that separate the various denominations. These differences arise from varying interpretations of Scripture. I don't think he is saying you don't have to believe the writings of the apostles. I think he was making the point that some sincere Christians do not fully understand the doctrinal truths the apostles wrote in the epistles. They may arrive at incorrect interpretations, but that does not mean they are lost. I tend to agree with him here. Yes, I think sound doctrine is vital and it is necessary to believe core truths such as the divinity of Christ, etc but we don't always get everything perfectly right. His point that we are flawed humans and don't understand every aspect of Scripture is valid. I do appreciate his desire for unity and fellowship
 
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Blain

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I think what Blain is trying to say is that there are many doctrinal differences that separate the various denominations. These differences arise from varying interpretations of Scripture. I don't think he is saying you don't have to believe the writings of the apostles. I think he was making the point that some sincere Christians do not fully understand the doctrinal truths the apostles wrote in the epistles. They may arrive at incorrect interpretations, but that does not mean they are lost. I tend to agree with him here. Yes, I think sound doctrine is vital and it is necessary to believe core truths such as the divinity of Christ, etc but we don't always get everything perfectly right. His point that we are flawed humans and don't understand every aspect of Scripture is valid.
Exactly:) I sincerely apologize to everyone if I was not clear