Do You Celebrate Christmas?

Lynx · Dec 22, 2014

There's more horse crap in this thread than in three stables combined. Where do you people get this stuff? Did you make it up yourselves or did you copy-paste from some web pages that said what you wanted to hear?

I could go through point by point and prove how each of your anti-christmas lies is wrong, but you wouldn't believe me. And besides I have better things to do than beat my head against your brick wall. You're obviously determined to prove you are right, even if you have to go find lies online to support your belief.

Tintin · Dec 22, 2014

kaylagrl said:

Many of the 'Christmas is evil' types in this thread, especially Hizi. Certainly not you, Kayla.

Lynx · Dec 22, 2014

Speaking of web pages... Did you know the earth is really flat? And atmospheric "ether" is a real thing, the government just suppressed it so they could control all use of it. And aliens are controlling the president. It's all true! I can show you the web pages that prove it.

(Mostly .net sites with about 20 fonts per page...)

Marian29 · Dec 22, 2014

KohenMatt said:

One of the most disapointments in the "Christmas", was to see, a called christian channel I use to watch preachings, Bible studies, some of them who present the programs, started wearing santa claus hats, and wish a merry christmas, other tried explaining from his own personal opinion, that if you celebrate christmas in the "right way" it's not wrong... what??... it really made me sad...

JesusLives · Dec 22, 2014

Lynx said:

tourist I think I smell horse crap....Did you step in something on your way through the Do You Celebrate Christmas? Thread??? Take those shoes outside......thank you honey.....lol

ColinCat · Dec 22, 2014

Lynx said:

You don't know what your talking about. You sound like illuminati to me

tourist · Dec 22, 2014

JesusLives said:

I think that I just stepped on another pile...

JesusLives · Dec 22, 2014

Lynx said:

We know it's true ....It's the Aliens I tell you!!! The Aliens did it......lol I heard a rumor that they like Christmas too.....

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

Marian29 said:

"Santa" is one of another creepy idea developed around X-mas. It is not ill intentioned except it diverts attention to another IDOL and it´s another tale to read about on European traditions.

tourist · Dec 22, 2014

JesusLives said:

Yeah, they're in cahoots with the Illuminutty...

ColinCat · Dec 22, 2014

tourist said:

See! I knew it!

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

Take it Hizi!

take it Hizi! (not nazi).

Ha! ha!

Tintin · Dec 22, 2014

Hizikyah said:

The top right carving isn't an Asherah tree or any such thing. It's the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Notice there's the fruit tree, the serpent, a woman and another figure - either a man or a demon-type? This is clearly an inverted version of the Fall of Man where the Fall was said to bring Enlightenment to creation, not sin and death. "Did God really say...?" Every ancient culture has some form of serpent worship (evil seen as good, good seen as evil). Only the Jewish faith held to good being good and evil being evil (God being the great good and the Enemy being the despicable evil). Naturally, Christ was and is the fulfillment of the prophecy of the coming Messiah.

kaylagrl · Dec 22, 2014

Marian29 said:

Your comment is very judgmental.You dont know how people celebrate the season.Have you ever been to a Christmas play,in church? I was at a play one year and in the end the pastor preached a sermon and I tell you there were people at the alter getting saved because of the message of a babe come to earth to save them.Without the birth you dont have the cross.

Tintin · Dec 22, 2014

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See there's low-hanging fruit and it's easy to access. There's no pesky God to tell people not to eat of it. There's nothing to indicate it's a danger at all. The tree is seen as a 'great' moment in human history, a time when man became their own god. The carving speaks to the history of the Garden of Eden, to the story of Adam and Eve and God and the serpent, to the Fall of Man. But this is the pagan version of the Genesis account, where good is seen as evil and evil is seen as good.

kaylagrl · Dec 22, 2014

Tintin said:

Haha Im just use to getting shot at from every direction.I just had to be sure and keep my butt covered.

Chopper · Dec 22, 2014

kaylagrl said:

I'll answer this really simple...

Since when is Mothers/Fathers day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, or any of the days declared in the Gregorian calendar actual holidays "Holy Days" as defined as sabbaths in the Word of Yah? They are NOT. They have PAGAN origins and are NOT instituted by the declaration of Yah, or His Son Yahushua, and are not therefore "Holy Days" of His people.

These are nothing more than vain traditions of man.

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of YHWH, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after the Messiah.

Kerry · Dec 22, 2014

I celebrate CHRISTMAS and am proud of it. It is the day that I and my family celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savoir.

kaylagrl · Dec 22, 2014

Chopper said:

Since no one seems to be reading,here it is again....

ARGUMENT NUMBER 1: CHRISTMAS IS COMMERCIALIZED AND MATERIALISTIC... If we use this argument as a legitimate reason for discarding the entire celebration of Christ's birth at Christmas, it would follow that we would end up having to throw out everything--even our Bibles and our wives or husbands. Why? Because Satan and man distort and ruins everything in life--the Bible, sex, marriage, the church, food--everything. Name one thing that Satan doesn't ruin. We don't throw things out just because the world misuses or distorts them.

ARGUMENT NUMBER 2: SCRIPTURE DOESN'T AUTHORIZE IT...This is what we could legitimately call hyperliteralism in the use of Scripture. Such an approach completely misses the spirit and intent of the Bible. Hyperliteralism (or letterism) is an intense devotion to the details of the Bible in such a way that one misses the spirit and essential thrust of a passage. Mountains are made out of mole hills and the truth is missed. One is busy counting the number of letters in a sentence rather than listening to its instruction.

If we applied this argument consistently, we would need to discontinue the use of overheads, musical instruments, hymnals, chorus books, the church building, pews, Sunday school, Christian schools, and many other things. Further, there could be no special services or seasons to commemorate things God has done as with Thanksgiving or a dedication service for a new building.

ARGUMENT NUMBER 3: SCRIPTURE FORBIDS IT...What Colossians 2:16-17 forbids is the celebration of religious seasons or holy days when they have been prescribed as religious duty and necessary for holiness or spirituality.

In this passage, the Apostle is talking about the Old Testament festivals which were shadows of the person and work of Christ--but Christ has now come. To continue to celebrate them is to dishonor the fact of His coming, or to act as though He were not enough for salvation or spirituality. Note what the Apostle says, "let no one act as your judge in regard to . . ." He is saying don't let anyone tell you these things are requirements for fellowship with God. They were only shadows of the person and work of Christ, and He has not only come and fulfilled those shadows, but He is totally sufficient.
Colossians 2:16 and 17 in no way forbids believers from commemorating something such as the birth of Christ if it is done out of love, devotion, and the joy the season gives when used as a way of focusing on the Savior and not as a religious duty. The issue is not the observance, but the reason, the attitudes and the spirit in which it is done.

ARGUMENT NUMBER 4: CHRISTMAS TRADITIONS ARE FROM PAGANISM...(1) The pagan associations were lost long ago

The names of the days of our week also had their origin in pagan beliefs. Thursday originally stood for the Germanic god of the sky or of thunder. Tuesday stood for Tiw, the god of war. And Wednesday is derived from Woden, the chief god in Germanic mythology. Sunday and Monday were related somehow to the worship of the sun and the moon. Saturday is from Saturnus, or Saturn, and Friday comes from Fria, the goddess of love.
All of these ancient meanings with their beliefs and associations were lost long ago. When Friday roles around we don't think about Fria, the goddess of love. On Saturday we don't think about it as Saturn's day, but as our day off! The same applies to the traditions of Christmas. If one observed the days of the week or the Christmas season with their ancient associations in mind, certainly it would be wrong. But many of these things, as with our Sunday, have been given Christian connotations.

ARGUMENT NUMBER 5: UNCERTAINTY OF THE DATE OF CHRIST'S BIRTH....By considering the chronological notes in Scripture such as Luke 2:1, "it seems that the evidence would lead one to conclude that Christ's birth occurred sometime in the winter of 5/4 B.C." (Hoehner, p. 350). Our concern here is not with the year, but with the month Christ was born--or at least the time of year, i.e., winter or spring. Is a winter date out of the question? Is it possible or maybe even probable?

1. Hoehner points out that the traditional date for the birth of Christ as December 25th dates back to as early as Hippolytus (A..D. 165-235). In the Eastern church January 6th was the date used for Christ's birth. But this is still a winter date and not far removed from December 25th.
2. Chrysostom (A..D. 345-407) in 386 stated that December 25th is the correct date and hence it became the official date for Christ's birth except in the Eastern church which still retained January 6th.
3. One of the main objections has been that sheep were usually taken into enclosures from November through March and were not out in the fields at night. However, this is not as conclusive as it sounds for the following reasons: (a) It could have been a mild winter. (b) It is not at all certain that sheep were always brought into enclosures during the winter months. (c) It is true that during the winter months sheep were brought in from the wilderness, but remember, Luke tells us the shepherds were near Bethlehem rather than in the wilderness. This indicates, if anything, the nativity was in the winter months. (d) The Mishnah tells us the shepherds around Bethlehem were outside all year and those worthy of the Passover were nearby in the fields at least 30 days before the feast which could be as early as February (one of the coldest, rainiest months of the year). So December is a very reasonable date.

ames Kelso, an archaeologist who spent a number of years living in Palestine and who has done extensive research there says this:
The best season for the shepherds of Bethlehem is the winter when heavy rains bring up a luscious crop of new grass. After the rains the once-barren, brown desert earth is suddenly a field of brilliant green. One year when excavating at New Testament Jericho, I lived in Jerusalem and drove through this area twice every day. At one single point along the road, I could see at times as many as five shepherds with their flocks on one hillside. One shepherd stayed with his flock at the same point for three weeks, so lush was the grass. But as soon as the rains stopped in the spring, the land quickly took on its normal desert look once again.
Since there seem to have been a number of shepherds who came to see the Christ child, December or January would be the most likely months.

ARGUMENT NUMBER 6: CHRISTMAS MEANS "CHRIST'S MASS"...Christ + mass, can also mean "a large number or quantity." It can also mean simply a mass of religious services in commemoration of the birth of Christ. In other words, mass stands for festival involving a number of religious activities, and is not a reference to the Roman Catholic ritual of the Eucharist.

Further, even if the term originally referred to the Roman Catholic ritual of the Eucharist, it long ago lost that connotation and is really not an issue.

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

Marian29 said:

I´m not concerned on how they would celebrate these FEW days, because it´s not solely their fault and I would also blame the RCC for the "celebrated" feast, not the believers neither those who might seem hypocrites, because many things are mingled on this season.

Althought I don´t like Paul much, he said: "1Co 10:28 But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience—
1Co 10:29 I do not mean your conscience, but his. For why should my liberty be determined by someone else's conscience? "

Each will give his/her reasons.

1Pe 4:4 With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; 1Pe 4:5 but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

American are not like us, who live in Latin America. X-mas is different in both tropics, by the way. We mess it all, here (and also there).

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