the majority of online statements clearly say that his students challenged him to apply his historical proving law techniques toward the resurrection of Jesus Christ. You say you want evidence. Read about what he found. Or are you more concerned with the fact that you can't produce anything tying him to his own belief in christianity until he is about 50 years old? is this about his beliefs? or the evidence for Christ. Check the thread man. Every one of those web addresses has history on Simon Greenleaf, stating exactly what you claim I dance around. I'm giving you the best I can, would you like to eat the burger or complain about the straw?
Do you even have conversations with atheists?
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The "majority of online statements" are clearly repeating claims from other apologists, just as you are. You have no evidence that it's true, and no answer to the evidence that it's not.
Unless you have actual evidence that you won't share with us, why won't you admit that you're repeating unsubstantiated claims passed down and repeated by apologists who really "wish" it were true?
Unless you have actual evidence that you won't share with us, why won't you admit that you're repeating unsubstantiated claims passed down and repeated by apologists who really "wish" it were true?
Well, the moment I tell an athiest why I believe in God they tend to get immediately angry. My testimony only leaves one of 3 conclusions. I'm a lunatic, a liar or God is true. Well there were witnesses to these events, so lunatic gets ruled out, so in a few instances I've actually had guys yelling at me "WHY WOULD YOU LIE TO ME?!"
I trust people like Josh mcdowell and Lee strobel. They have done far more research than I. If neither of us in our short journey of seeking documentation come up with loose ends then I say, "what does it matter?" the amazing thing has nothing to do with what he believes its what he can prove. What we can prove is that he was a law professor of the highest degree and he found some amazing things that he claimed would be ruled historical fact in a court of law. Shouldn't that be our focus?
There's no point in arguing it will only make the situation worse. I've learned to walk away when necessary 
If they've done any research at all on this point, you should be able to find their sources for the claims they make about Greenleaf's atheism and subsequent conversion.
I have no reason to trust Josh McDowell or Lee Strobel on this or any other point unless they can provide evidence to back up their claims.
Do you now admit that you have no actual evidence for your claims regarding Greenleaf's atheism and conversion?
I have no reason to trust Josh McDowell or Lee Strobel on this or any other point unless they can provide evidence to back up their claims.
Do you now admit that you have no actual evidence for your claims regarding Greenleaf's atheism and conversion?
this is from the Missouri-Kansas school of Law. I am exhausted from all this searching. Next?
after you click this website you will see in the address bar Law2. UMKC. EDU
Testimony of the Evangelists by Simon Greenleaf
The very beginning of the text begins by stating he set out to disprove the bible. If they can teach it in a school of law then it is good enough for me and should hold up to our rigorous christian chat forum standards lol.
after you click this website you will see in the address bar Law2. UMKC. EDU
Testimony of the Evangelists by Simon Greenleaf
The very beginning of the text begins by stating he set out to disprove the bible. If they can teach it in a school of law then it is good enough for me and should hold up to our rigorous christian chat forum standards lol.
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It's evidence that some law school professors read the same sources you do. It's not evidence that their claims are accurate.
Will you please admit that you have no contemporary documentation, either from Greenleaf himself or anyone else who wrote when Greenleaf was alive, that claims Greenleaf was ever an atheist or ever intended to refute the resurrection?
Will you please admit that you have no contemporary documentation, either from Greenleaf himself or anyone else who wrote when Greenleaf was alive, that claims Greenleaf was ever an atheist or ever intended to refute the resurrection?
Avalon, I find where trusted educational organizations accept the statement that Greenleaf was an atheist at worst, a skeptic at best and that a student challenged him to use his own techniques to conclude his mockings of the the resurrection 200 years ago, yes thats right we are looking for something where Greenleaf himself wrote "I was an atheist" 200 years ago. However that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Simon Greenleaf an epic lawyer/professor of Harvard put all of his skills and experience into trying the resurrection of Jesus Christ under the scrutiny of a courtroom and comes to the conclusion that it would be ruled a historical fact in a court of law. You Avalon make the claim to be a seeker of the truth, truth of what? some minute tid-bit that you can cling too where I can't give you a writing where Greenleaf himself claims he was an atheist 200 years ago? who cares? A University apparently is okay with believing it, but again it is inconsequential, what is of consequence is his actual findings, but it appears the truth about Jesus Christ is very far down your priority list. If you would have given the same energy toward seeking the truth about Christ that you used in trying to determine WHEN Simon Greenleaf became a christian you would probably be a bishop of the church by now.
