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You appear to be placing denominational doctrine above Scripture . . .
1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Throughout the New Testament, belief and baptism are never spoken of as separate acts performed at different times, but linked together like this: "believe and be baptized!" Over and over again that is what we read. Not because of baptismal regeneration surely, we are saved by grace through faith alone, so why the command to get baptized right away? Because baptism gives the new believer a clear conscience toward God for those sins committed prior to salvation! Thus, Satan no longer has access to attack through those sins now buried at the Cross. So in my humble opinion, if you have not been baptized since you came to the Lord, you should be.
1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Throughout the New Testament, belief and baptism are never spoken of as separate acts performed at different times, but linked together like this: "believe and be baptized!" Over and over again that is what we read. Not because of baptismal regeneration surely, we are saved by grace through faith alone, so why the command to get baptized right away? Because baptism gives the new believer a clear conscience toward God for those sins committed prior to salvation! Thus, Satan no longer has access to attack through those sins now buried at the Cross. So in my humble opinion, if you have not been baptized since you came to the Lord, you should be.
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1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
You appear to be placing accepted doctrinal opinion above Scripture . . .
Throughout the New Testament, belief and baptism are never spoken of as separate acts performed at different times, but linked together like this: "believe and be baptized!" Over and over again that is what we read. Not because of baptismal regeneration surely, we are saved by grace through faith alone, so why the command to get baptized right away? Because baptism gives the new believer a clear conscience toward God for those sins committed prior to salvation! Thus, Satan no longer has access to attack through those sins now buried at the Cross. So in my humble opinion, if you have not been baptized since you came to the Lord, you should be.
You appear to be placing accepted doctrinal opinion above Scripture . . .
Throughout the New Testament, belief and baptism are never spoken of as separate acts performed at different times, but linked together like this: "believe and be baptized!" Over and over again that is what we read. Not because of baptismal regeneration surely, we are saved by grace through faith alone, so why the command to get baptized right away? Because baptism gives the new believer a clear conscience toward God for those sins committed prior to salvation! Thus, Satan no longer has access to attack through those sins now buried at the Cross. So in my humble opinion, if you have not been baptized since you came to the Lord, you should be.
You seem to be implying Protestant denomination doctrine your self.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
When God sees us He doesn’t say “you are baptized so you are in, you aren’t so you are out”. God sees our entire spiritual being.
When we meet God personally and understand the wonder of belonging to Him, of giving ourselves to Him, we ask what we can do as His child. God says be baptized, as one of ways we live for Him. So we do it, and something spiritual happens that we don’t completely understand because we are human and God is the one who created us and understands. I would bet there are people who are God’s child even though they aren’t baptized. Maybe they didn’t have the opportunity. And I’ll bet there are people who are baptized who aren’t God’s child because they did it for reasons that weren’t of God.
When we meet God personally and understand the wonder of belonging to Him, of giving ourselves to Him, we ask what we can do as His child. God says be baptized, as one of ways we live for Him. So we do it, and something spiritual happens that we don’t completely understand because we are human and God is the one who created us and understands. I would bet there are people who are God’s child even though they aren’t baptized. Maybe they didn’t have the opportunity. And I’ll bet there are people who are baptized who aren’t God’s child because they did it for reasons that weren’t of God.
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No, baptism does not save our souls. And yes, it is symbolic and an act of obedience, but it is also much more than that. Baptism does something real that has a serious effect our spiritual lives. It gives us a clear conscience before God for those sins committed prior to salvation. That's not my doctrine, but a scriptural given . . .
1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
I do not argue Scriptural givens, I just post them. <smile>
1Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
I do not argue Scriptural givens, I just post them. <smile>
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I couldn't care less about "denominational" doctrines, I think they are all just like Jesus said, the "doctrines of men."
Mark 7:9 "And he (Jesus) said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."
In my humble opinion, that verse is true of every denomination on earth.
Mark 7:9 "And he (Jesus) said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."
In my humble opinion, that verse is true of every denomination on earth.
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I am a born again Christian. I was saved when I was 13 years old and that is why my friend suggested for me to be baptized again. Also I have shared my testimony with my church family. Being born and raised in a Methodist church, my parents baptized me when I was 5 because that's the tradition. From what I have understood of Baptism from the Scriptures is that, it is an outer display of an inner change. It represents something that has changed within us. Now, when I talked about it to my mom, who is also saved, she said I was baptized once and I can't do it again, rather I shouldn't do it again. So that made me really confused. I appericate all the responses but still answers are all mixed response :-D
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1 Peter 3
18For Christ also sufferedb once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19in whichc he went and proclaimedd to the spirits in prison, 20becausee they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
ESV
18 because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit, 19 in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach, 20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water; 21 also to which an antitype doth now save us -- baptism, (not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone on to heaven -- messengers, and authorities, and powers, having been subjected to him.
YLT
18Because The Messiah also died once for the sake of our sins, The Righteous One in the place of sinners, to bring you to God, and he died in body and lived in his Spirit. 19And he preached to those souls who were held in Sheol, 20These who from the first were not convinced in the days of Noah when the long-suffering of God commanded that there would be an ark, upon the hope of their repentance, and only eight souls entered it and were kept alive by water. 21For you also are saved in it by that simile in baptism, not when you wash the body from impurity, but when you confess God with a pure conscience, and by the resurrection of Yeshua, The Messiah, 22He who has been escorted into Heaven, and he is upon the right hand of God, and the Angels and the Principalities and the Powers are subjected unto him.
ABPE
18For Christ also sufferedaw for sins once for all,ax, ay
the righteous for the unrighteous,az
that He might bring youba to God,bb
after being put to death in the fleshly realmbc, bd
but made alive in the spiritual realm.be
19In that statebf He also went and made a proclamation to the spiritsbg in prisonbh 20who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noahbi while an ark was being prepared. In it a few — that is, eight peoplebj, bk — were saved through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you (not the removal of the filth of the flesh,bl but the pledgebm of a good conscience toward God) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.bn 22Now that He has gone into heaven,bo He is at God’s right handbp with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.
HCSB
1 Peter 3
18For Christ also sufferedb once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19in whichc he went and proclaimedd to the spirits in prison, 20becausee they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
ESV
18 because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit, 19 in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach, 20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water; 21 also to which an antitype doth now save us -- baptism, (not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone on to heaven -- messengers, and authorities, and powers, having been subjected to him.
YLT
18Because The Messiah also died once for the sake of our sins, The Righteous One in the place of sinners, to bring you to God, and he died in body and lived in his Spirit. 19And he preached to those souls who were held in Sheol, 20These who from the first were not convinced in the days of Noah when the long-suffering of God commanded that there would be an ark, upon the hope of their repentance, and only eight souls entered it and were kept alive by water. 21For you also are saved in it by that simile in baptism, not when you wash the body from impurity, but when you confess God with a pure conscience, and by the resurrection of Yeshua, The Messiah, 22He who has been escorted into Heaven, and he is upon the right hand of God, and the Angels and the Principalities and the Powers are subjected unto him.
ABPE
18For Christ also sufferedaw for sins once for all,ax, ay
the righteous for the unrighteous,az
that He might bring youba to God,bb
after being put to death in the fleshly realmbc, bd
but made alive in the spiritual realm.be
19In that statebf He also went and made a proclamation to the spiritsbg in prisonbh 20who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noahbi while an ark was being prepared. In it a few — that is, eight peoplebj, bk — were saved through water. 21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you (not the removal of the filth of the flesh,bl but the pledgebm of a good conscience toward God) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.bn 22Now that He has gone into heaven,bo He is at God’s right handbp with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.
HCSB
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I don't know why people quote and use the KJV so readily. If that's the translation you grew up with, great, but not everyone can understand it. It's not written in the language of the everyday person. God's message never changes but the presentation of said Word can. You post KJV verses to back up your positions, fine, but I don't understand them. I'm dyslexic and even had trouble learning Shakespeare. Please use a more modern translation in the future - NIV, NLT, even NKJV (if you must).
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I have not read one post in this thread that comes close to the truth of what the water baptism represents.
So Please tell me what is gained from water baptism and I will show you from God's Holy Word what this water baptism was.
Water baptism does it save, wash away sin, cleanse you from all unrighteousness? What?
I ask this because I need to know where everyones thinking is before addressing this.
I ask because this is how Jesus taught many, he needed the people to address there own beliefs before he could instruct them in HIS TRUTH.
So Please tell me what is gained from water baptism and I will show you from God's Holy Word what this water baptism was.
Water baptism does it save, wash away sin, cleanse you from all unrighteousness? What?
I ask this because I need to know where everyones thinking is before addressing this.
I ask because this is how Jesus taught many, he needed the people to address there own beliefs before he could instruct them in HIS TRUTH.
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no, baptism doesn't save us (the criminal on the cross beside Jesus was also saved because he believed), but you need to do it to proclaim your faith in Jesus, to show that you have decided to follow Him for the rest of your life.
you mentioned that you've been baptized when you were 5.. I actually think that you probably have to be baptized again unless you, personally, did know what you were doing at that time.
God bless you
you mentioned that you've been baptized when you were 5.. I actually think that you probably have to be baptized again unless you, personally, did know what you were doing at that time.
God bless you