Does God Lie?

[Grace777x70]

Jesus healed some that couldn't even ask to be healed. The guy that had the legion of demons for instance. Others he raised from the DEAD. So they obviously couldn't ask to raised from the dead, or have faith to be raised.
In those cases OTHERS asked or Jesus simply took it upon Himself to heal or raise from the dead.

The point is, those of you who believe the Lord will heal EVERY one EVERY time IF you simply believe hard enough, WHY ARENT YOU OUT THERE DAY AND NIGHT HEALING PEOPLE!
Why is YOUR faith so weak that you can't speak a word of HEALING for this woman's daughter?

The Lord has a purpose for His children. We have no idea how He will be Glorified by illnesses and injuries, but I. Trust that He has MY best interests at heart in every situation in life.

I'm asking you brothers and sisters in Christ to please stop hurting others with this doctrine. Love Ed

Those are very good questions Ed. I just listened to a teaching that talked about Jesus "doing what He saw the Father doing" for it was the Father in Him doing the works - not from Jesus Himself.

We are to live by Christ inside of us as the Holy Spirit leads us - the same way that Jesus did by the life and direction of the Father. We can do nothing from ourselves.

An example would be when Peter at the temple entrance healed the man born lame and he was laid there at the gate every day. Act 3:1-10. Jesus passed this guy lot's of times going in and out of the temple and He never healed him - but He did later through Peter's word under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

Here is the video if interested. "Living the Father led life".

[video=youtube;q1o5mbbvmrg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1o5mbbvmrg[/video]

 

[Denadii]

Our desires, Gods will.

Is it Gods will we get our desires? No it is Gods will that we might desire what He desires.
Everything has been created in His purposes, and we are His servants rejoicing in Him and
His creation. There is no such thing as our will, but His will expressed through us.

In the world this is subjugation of the soul to another, where you give over to the devices
and normally irresponsibilities of another person. God is saying He is so glorious, in His will
we will find delight and the greatest joy and light in the whole of creation.

We want so many things to give us pleasure or relief or resolution now, here because our
approach is focusing on the temporary, the situational, the place we find ourselves in, rather
than seeking the eternal, the communion and focus on the eternal and how to love and express
His will in our current circumstances.

What you say here does not line up with this verse does it? I guess the verse is wrong?
[h=1]Mark 11:23-25 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]23 [/SUP]Yes! I tell you that whoever does not doubt in his heart but trusts that what he says will happen can say to this mountain, ‘Go and throw yourself into the sea!’ and it will be done for him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, trust that you are receiving it, and it will be yours. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And when you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him; so that your Father in heaven may also forgive your offenses.”

 

[Grace777x70]

What you say here does not line up with this verse does it? I guess the verse is wrong?
Mark 11:23-25 (CJB)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Yes! I tell you that whoever does not doubt in his heart but trusts that what he says will happen can say to this mountain, ‘Go and throw yourself into the sea!’ and it will be done for him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, trust that you are receiving it, and it will be yours. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And when you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him; so that your Father in heaven may also forgive your offenses.”

Mark 11:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.


I listened to a teaching one time on this that made spiritual sense out of this scripture to me.

It was said that while we are in "prayer" - what things we desire, believe that we already have them and they will be manifested. Prayer means " a face to face meeting" - it doesn't mean mouthing words.

In this "face to face meeting with God" - our desires that are birthed from Him - those we are to ask for and in believing that we have received them already - they will be manifested in our lives.

This is vastly different than asking for our own desires which could be birthed from our flesh and not the spirit - the new man in Christ.

 

[bluto]

Where did God, just once in the bible say no to someone who needed healing? By Jesus stripes you WERE healed. Believe it!! You have the faith of Jesus. Use it.

You know denadii, my trick knee tells me you've got me on ignore but that's ok I can still respond to your post for the benefit of others. Now, even in this post why is it necessary for you to be yelling? Did you ever look at the context of what these words mean? "By Jesus stripes you were healed." Technically Isaiah 53:5 says, "And by His scourging we are healed?"

So the question is what kind of healing is this talking about? The Apostle Peter gives the answer at 1 Peter 2:24,25. "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. vs25, For (or because) you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guaardian of your souls."

The Apostle Peter is talking about spirtual healing and not physicaly healing according to the context. I mean we are not continually straying away from physical healing. (vs25). And at vs24 Jesus bore our sins in His body on that cross (why) in order we might die to sin and live righteously. It does not say we are to die to sin to get physically healed.

Now, do I believe that physically healing is in the atonement? Yes, but it is not an iron clad guarntee that one is going to get physically healed like wof teachers teach. And yes, I'm well aware of where Matthew quotes Isaiah 53:4 at Matthew 8:17, "in order that what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, "He Himself took our infirmities and carried away our diseases."This prophecy according to the context was fulfilled during Jesus' earthin ministry. It is not a blanket statement that applies for every single person to be healed physically like you have been taught by these heretical wof teachers. They and like you are not dealing with "reality."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

Which part of all those verses in context was wrong? Seriously, I want to know! Because you and your Word Faith heresy is the one pulling verses out of context. One doesn't need seminary to know that you have to read all the verses, and the whole Bible to get a correct picture of what God is saying, and in this case, through Isaiah.

Angela This started out as a really good thread...If you want to discuss this, you can either PM me or you can start another thread. I understand that you think me a heretic but NOT ON THIS THREAD

 

[sevenseas]

I'm lost here. Where does the bible say that God says "NO" to our requests? I've never seen that

I have seen this however....
2 Corinthians 1:19-21 (CJB)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the Son of God, the Messiah Yeshua, who was proclaimed among you through us — that is, through me and Sila and Timothy — was not a yes-and-no man; on the contrary, with him it is always “Yes!” [SUP]20 [/SUP]For however many promises God has made, they all find their “Yes” in connection with him; that is why it is through him that we say the “Amen” when we give glory to God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Moreover, it is God who sets both us and you in firm union with the Messiah; he has anointed us,

God is not the great santa in the sky

read the Bible. He even said no to Paul

this is what happens when people take verses out of context and go to town with them

I have some pretty good ideas why God does not heal on request and having said that, of course I pray that God will heal if healing is required. We are even told to do so but it is contextually wrong to state unequivocaly that God heals on demand

the hospitals are all yours if you think otherwise and what a testimony for God that would be if cancer stricken folks with a death sentence would suddenly pick up their beds and walk. And what a great news event and people flocking to be healed and everyone worshiping the 'healer' and a big ministry starting and private jets and lottsa and lottsa money coming in and

oh wait. we have that already only WITHOUT people actually being healed

 

[sevenseas]

The title of this thread Is very offensive.

really?

I am positive that God is not offended by any searching or real heart

God is not a man that He should lie and people constantly question God and He is ok with that if they are honest

some prayers do not ever get answered because of wrong motives and so on

probably enough about that

 

[sevenseas]

Denadii

Do you have the faith to touch a child and he/she be healed?

This is what we need in the body. There are some....but we need the manifested Sons to rise.

And I'm including myself.

manifested sons, eh?

what I know of that teaching, I would say simply, 'run, don't walk, away'

not to someone who is involved however, cause having had conversations in the past, I pretty much realize the mindset

it's not biblical and if a CHILD cannot receive the instant healing, a CHILD with all the faith in the world encased in innocence and no ulterior motives, then how are YOU or any other manifested whatever gonna do it?

geez this stuff just makes me plain angry and it's ok to be angry for the right reason Mark 3:5

 

[Denadii]

God is not the great santa in the sky

read the Bible. He even said no to Paul

this is what happens when people take verses out of context and go to town with them

I have some pretty good ideas why God does not heal on request and having said that, of course I pray that God will heal if healing is required. We are even told to do so but it is contextually wrong to state unequivocaly that God heals on demand

the hospitals are all yours if you think otherwise and what a testimony for God that would be if cancer stricken folks with a death sentence would suddenly pick up their beds and walk. And what a great news event and people flocking to be healed and everyone worshiping the 'healer' and a big ministry starting and private jets and lottsa and lottsa money coming in and

oh wait. we have that already only WITHOUT people actually being healed

speculation No scripture

 

[sevenseas]

Scripture does say that God is not a man that He should lie, nor the son of man that He should repent. Hath He not said, and shall He not do it?

thing is, when people hear what they want to hear and listen to false prophets and teachers, then try to say they are quoting God, it just doesn't work, yah know?

God does not lie but it seems many will lie on His behalf, and ignorance is no excuse

one of the first scriptures God pointed me to when I fully committed my life to Him at the age of 20, were OT scriptures that defined His hatred of those who speak on His behalf and yet He never said a word to them! I was shocked because I did not understand why God directed me there, but all these years later, I comprehend it all too well

this God heals everyone and will heal everyone is a FALSE teaching

this does not mean I hate those that teach it, but I do hate the doctrine. it is a pernicious lie and the devil has caused many a little boat to run aground with it

I full comprehend, understand and am aware, that some of you consider me anti-Holy Spirit and now perhaps more of you will

however, some of you are listening to a spirit that is NOT the Holy Spirit and you do not discern that you have given your ear to a lie

for the record, I fully believe in miracles, I've seen some, healing, I've seen some, supernatural events, I've been in some, the spiritual gifts, I have at least one or two used on a regular basis, dreams, visions...the whole kit

but the acceptance of false doctrines that is so persuasive has captured the hearts of so many that it seems those of us who know better, may soon be in the minority

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No he does not lie and yes...sometimes the answer is no....I have a severely handicapped child who is now 21, disabled and cannot take care of himself, I have also lost two children as well to the same disease he carries "congential myotonic dystrophy"

I prayed 9 months that "booger" would be healthy and when He was born 3 weeks early, gray, not breathing and spent 6 months in the neo-natal intensive care unit and lost half his small bowel to a 580 degree mal-rotation, has had 12 surgeries, 6 blood infections that almost killed him and has struggled almost every day of his life...make no mistake as I have asked numerous times why?

I had moved to change my life, quit drugs, was faithful in church, attending 3 times a week, going to bible college to make up for lost time, giving 25% of my income to my church, teaching, preaching and witnessing to every person I could witness to.....and I did not understand why......I still do not understand why and I would be lying if I did not say that I stumbled in my walk after David Paul was born.....with a broken spirit, broken heart I wept, begged, cried, plead unto the Lord thinking it was my fault....thinking I had done something wrong.....

David Paul loves the Lord, "plays church" knows the way, sings biblical songs and in a strange way has been spared from the world by his disability.....sometimes, yea many times we do not understand, nor will we until the day we stand before the Lord.....

Christ's strength is made complete in our weakness....and he seeks for us to just simply trust him........

amen, as he told Paul my grace is sufficient, if we got what we deserve, it would be worse than anything we can think of on earth.

 

[sevenseas]

speculation No scripture

would you like a thus saith the Lord?

the reason He does not speak, is because He has ALREADY told you oh man what is right and you have run off and chosen your path

you are false as the day is long and I am not happy to tell you that

there is utter nonsense on this thread and you started it

the Bible has 66 books and God is desiring to teach us from them by His Spirit, however most will never take the time to actually KNOW God and they run off with what they think they know and God is left trying to tell them they cannot do what they are doing

you scoff at others. that alone is enough right there to indicate what is behind your words

you will receive what you want but it is not God

are you aware that in the end times miracles will abound but they will be sourced from satan himself with God's permission?

you and those who follow false teaching are in grave danger

I am only replying to you for the sake of those who are on the fence and certainly for the sake of the op

God is sifting and it seems the holes are bigger for some than others, but then the heart is an open book to Him

 

[sevenseas]

What is WRONG with some of you people!!

Probably should just not post because I'm angry.

This woman tells the story of her daughter who has faith and believes God, and your white-washed grave response is that she didn't have enough faith?!!

Just how cruel are you?

and that is just the beginning of the heresy of WOF. just the beginning of the harm it does

it attacks those who are on their knees in pain and faith and tells them their faith is a crock and not acceptable because they don't have enough

you're angry? join the club

Mark 3:5. it's ok

some of the scripture that is posted is just utter nonsense because even though it is scripture, it is ripped out of context and USED by the one posting it. they hide behind what they think is God and look down their noses such as the mocker here

this is actually life and death here. people have literally died believing God will heal them and refusing care because it would be a 'sin' and mean they did not have enough faith

tell you what though, all these faith healers sure 'nuff have enough faith to speak money into their bank accounts

this only points to the desperation of poor folks who look to people rather than God and think someone can help them get what they want from God

what a mockery!

 

[prove-all]

Where did God, just once in the bible say
no to someone who needed healing?

Jeremiah 14:12
When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering
and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword,
and by the famine, and by the pestilence.

Jeremiah 22:21
I spake unto thee in thy prosperity; but thou saidst, I will not hear. This hath
been thy manner from thy youth, that thou obeyedst not my voice.

Jeremiah 7:16 ,Jeremiah 11:14
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them,
neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Isaiah 1:15 (KJV)
And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea,
when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Ezekiel 8:18 (KJV)
Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity:
and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.
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Malachi 2:2,
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith
the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings:
yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God,
and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

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Genesis 22:16 (KJV)
And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou
hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

Psalms 89:35 (KJV)
Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yesterday, I had some praise and worship music blasting in the house while I was cleaning. The front door was open since it was sunny. Emma (one of my daughters with special needs who cannot walk) was sitting in the doorway, dancing and really getting into the music. Suddenly she stopped and called for me. With great excitement, she bubbled to me that she had yelled "I LOVE JESUS!" out the door at the top of her lungs so the neighbors would hear. I told her that was wonderful.


A few seconds later, she called me again. She was sitting on the couch and had a "I need to have a serious chat with you" look on her face. I sat down next to her and asked what was on her mind. "Does God answer our prayers?" she asked. "Yes," I told her. I was about to explain how sometimes God answers "yes" and sometimes he answers "no" but I noticed she had her eyes tightly shut and was clasping her hands together in deep, heart felt prayer. Suddenly she sprang from the couch, attempted to take a very large step (all in pure confidence) and landed flat on her bottom. I was startled, having no time to catch her, and asked her if she was alright. She looked very emotionally hurt and confused, but not physically hurt in any way. I knew the look without her even having to explain: What in the world went wrong?


I have often asked myself the same question as I cried out to God in a complete surrender of faith. Why won't he give me my heart's desire? It is during those times I think back about how close I have become to God through trials and how the pain I feel about my children's health has drawn others toward the cross. These things are deep and hard to explain to a sweet girl who's faith is undiluted by age and the world. My prayer for all my children is that God will give them the ability to take "no" for an answer. Even though it hurts and even though we don't understand, God has us in his hands and knows what's best for our lives. "No" may be just the answer we don't realize we need to hear for our lives to be everything we want them to be. No matter what storms we go through, in Christ everything has a purpose and a plan.


For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. --Jeremiah 29:11

welcome to CC and thank you for that heartfelt post,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where did God, just once in the bible say no to someone who needed healing? By Jesus stripes you WERE healed. Believe it!! You have the faith of Jesus. Use it.

that is talking about spiritual healing, our eternal life, passing from spiritual death to spiritual life, not physical healing, if it spoke of physical no one who was healed would ever die physically, Peter and Paul would still be with us today

 

[dcontroversal]

amen, as he told Paul my grace is sufficient, if we got what we deserve, it would be worse than anything we can think of on earth.

AMEN for sure........and I agree......!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well my friend. It IS Gods desire that ALL of us walk in health Whole and healthy.

then why do we still die of cancer, of old age, of debilitating disease, of injuries, who did God not put on s back in the garden and restore us to our pre fallen State

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is WRONG with some of you people!!

Probably should just not post because I'm angry.

This woman tells the story of her daughter who has faith and believes God, and your white-washed grave response is that she didn't have enough faith?!!

Just how cruel are you?

That why I hate WOF, it is evil, and destroys many people walk with God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus healed some that couldn't even ask to be healed. The guy that had the legion of demons for instance. Others he raised from the DEAD. So they obviously couldn't ask to raised from the dead, or have faith to be raised.
In those cases OTHERS asked or Jesus simply took it upon Himself to heal or raise from the dead.

The point is, those of you who believe the Lord will heal EVERY one EVERY time IF you simply believe hard enough, WHY ARENT YOU OUT THERE DAY AND NIGHT HEALING PEOPLE!
Why is YOUR faith so weak that you can't speak a word of HEALING for this woman's daughter?

The Lord has a purpose for His children. We have no idea how He will be Glorified by illnesses and injuries, but I. Trust that He has MY best interests at heart in every situation in life.

I'm asking you brothers and sisters in Christ to please stop hurting others with this doctrine. Love Ed

to add, Jesus did not demand people come to church and have a healing service, he went into the world and found sick people, and healed them,

if wof faih was true, they would go to hospitals to heal people. Put different doctors out of business, raise the dead at funerals, and there would maybe be a real revival.