Does God pay bills?

[SpiritofFire]

Matthew 7:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Traditions and systems really don't make it. There's lot of people who would rather have there denominational beliefs be the mediator rather than Christ. I don't even think it's a conscious thing.

Getting rid of money even solves this problem. There is no argument among Christians and Muslims without the collection plate! We will all serve God in spirit and truth.

 

[thecreationtutor]

I sure hope so I am unemployed

 

[SarahM777]

He's an abject communist.

Communists still use money. IE The People's Republic of China uses the RMB,The Soviet Union used the Ruble,Cuba uses the Peso etc.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Communists still use money. IE The People's Republic of China uses the RMB,The Soviet Union used the Ruble,Cuba uses the Peso etc.

Thank you. What I call for has no money at all. All getting everything they need, with a high standard of living for everyone.

 

[SarahM777]

The traditional teaching is that Jesus has encouraged everybody to pay taxes. That is not at all what Jesus taught.Consider the story as told in the Biblical book of Mark:

And they sent unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words. And when they were come, they said unto him, “Master, we know that you are true, and care for no man: for you regard not the person of men, but teach the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? Shall we give, or shall we not give?”​

But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, “Why do you tempt me? Bring me a denarion, that I may see it.”​

And they brought it. And he said unto them, “Whose is this image and superscription?”​

And they said unto him, “Caesar’s.”​

And Jesus answering said unto them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”​

And they marveled at him.​

Readers should notice that Jesus did not answer the question. Notice the questioners phrased the question, “Is it lawful . . . ?” Lawful according to whom? According to Caesar? No, such a perspective would be meaningless to the test the Pharisees and Herodians had conspired. The question was with respect to theMosaic Law. The Mosaic Law prohibited worshipping false gods and idols. Paying tribute was seen as the equivalent of worshipping a false god. Indeed, history reveals that the Roman emperor considered himself a god. Thus, in proper context the question becomes, “According to the Mosaic Law, is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? Shall we give, or shall we not give?” Thus, to answer affirmatively would be a violation of the Mosaic Law. To answer negatively would be grounds for a Roman civil or criminal legal action against Jesus.Jesus did not answer the question.

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Notice that Jesus did not pull a coin from his own pocket or ask for a coin from his disciples’ money bag. This is important to notice because at that time, the Jewish Zealots were a political group of people who completely opposed Roman rule. So strong were their beliefs that they refused to use or even touch Roman currency. I do not know if Jesus or his disciples possessed Roman coins, but to have shown one under the circumstances of that question would have immediately alienated the Zealots and would have encouraged the Zealots to accuse Jesus of supporting the Roman political system — a violation of the Mosaic Law. Jesus seems to have avoided that situation.The hypocrisy of the scene is that if the Pharisees and Herodians truly believed that the Mosaic Law was superior to Roman law, then they too never would have had in their possession a Roman coin. Yet, they quickly showed one upon request.

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The challenge with Jesus’ answer is that both clauses of his response are truisms.Because of the subtle power of truisms, people interpret Jesus’ answer according to their own worldview and subjective interpretations. Jesus did not answer the question. He only provided the illusion of answering the question.Jesus did not declare that people should pay taxes. Jesus declared that if something rightfully belongs to Caesar then return the property to Caesar. When read from a property rights perspective, there is no mystery with the text. Caesar’s picture was a sign or seal that the coin might belong to Caesar.

You can try to use it that way but one also needs to remember what Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit when he wrote this

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

 

[SpiritofFire]

I thought we were to have an answer to all as to why we believe. I at least wanted to respond to him.

The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity. Psalm 5:5

you will be called a liar for rejecting Gods Words(Proverbs 30:5-6)

It's not that He hates us. God is love, but if we are the ones dying then we are the ones who practice iniquity.


Our job is to do away with sin and death, not arguing if it's ok to go to church on sunday or if one is gay.

But that day is upon us in which these things will be the least on the people's minds. When this economy crashes, it will expose the hearts of men!

 

[SpiritofFire]

God don't pay no bills, I mean why when He owns it all?
So how long will you labor for another!?

We are made in God's image! Yet most of us die never even leaving the areas they were born in!

Stop letting strangers steal from you what rightfully belongs to you because of your own imaginations!

Money is paper! You don't want money, you only want what it can buy!

And when this house of cards built on imaginary streets of paper falls, all you will have left is what God gave you! LIFE! I pray THEN, we learn to love one another having been given so much to live with!

 

[p_rehbein]

Disclaimer........I have not read through all the comments here.......but was just wondering if anyone had mentioned that depending on which definition of "bills" one is using.......

JESUS PAID A HUGE BILL!

 

[SpiritofFire]

Disclaimer........I have not read through all the comments here.......but was just wondering if anyone had mentioned that depending on which definition of "bills" one is using.......

JESUS PAID A HUGE BILL!

Yes He did, but why do we again turn unto Egypt?

 

[SpiritofFire]

No one today has given me ONE GOOD REASON why we still need money, but I HAVE GIVEN MANY as to the detriment of using it!

WE ARE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD! WE WERE GIVEN DOMINION OVER THE PLANET! WHEN WILL WE CLAIM WHAT IS OURS!?

That is why I thank God for His true sabbath day! IT IS ALMOST HERE TO ALL WHO SUFFER!

 

[loveme1]

No one today has given me ONE GOOD REASON why we still need money, but I HAVE GIVEN MANY as to the detriment of using it!

WE ARE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD! WE WERE GIVEN DOMINION OVER THE PLANET! WHEN WILL WE CLAIM WHAT IS OURS!?

That is why I thank God for His true sabbath day! IT IS ALMOST HERE TO ALL WHO SUFFER!

money is used by man.. take away money.. and you still have man....and will still have problems.

 

[SpiritofFire]

They say it's either hell or heaven,
I think they the same.
If we all die like we living in vain,
then give me hell, if I can't enjoy heaven
with my enemies and my brethren.
Now that's true love I pray the Spirit of God
and true dove watch over me!
And now a word to those who suffer
abroad and in the philippines
This is from the true fountain,
The hand of Yah's about to move on
these modern day philistines
because faith moves mountains!
So I pray that money can no longer rule
over me or us, that's my desire.
This house of cards built upon paper streets
is just wood for the fire
no matter how many trees they cut!

 

[SpiritofFire]

money is used by man.. take away money.. and you still have man....and will still have problems.

If a man still manifests evil even after the tasting of the truth, then he deserves his fate!

In other words, if I rob a man of his goods knowing that he can freely get those things, then there remains no more sacrifice

 

[loveme1]

If a man still manifests evil even after the tasting of the truth, then he deserves his fate!

In other words, if I rob a man of his goods knowing that he can freely get those things, then there remains no more sacrifice

Why did Cain kill Abel?

 

[SpiritofFire]

Why did Cain kill Abel?

For the same reasons I keep mentioning. Cain tried to please God by offering the fruit of the field (flesh). Able took care if the sheep (loved a man as himself).

But again these are parabolic stories given to express deeper spiritual meanings.

Cain looked to profit, Able to share.

 

[loveme1]

For the same reasons I keep mentioning. Cain tried to please God by offering the fruit of the field (flesh). Able took care if the sheep (loved a man as himself).

But again these are parabolic stories given to express deeper spiritual meanings.

Cain looked to profit, Able to share.

Genesis 4

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lordhad respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

money is an instrument, it is the man using it that needs changing.

I do believe you mean well, but all things will run there course.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Genesis 4



money is an instrument, it is the man using it that needs changing.

I do believe you mean well, but all things will run there course.

If we still die, how is God pleased with our offerings? We have went the way of cain!

Remember 30000 children died today alone who has no opportunity to make money! And 76% of americans are only living paycheck to paycheck. That's slavery.


And this system has run it's course. Only those who make enough money to live are delusional.

 

[tdrew777]

God created everything, and gave man dominion over it.

We can make agreements among ourselves. What is bound on earth will be bound in heaven.

Money is a way of storing up the product of our work. To get money, I work for you (or give you the product of someone's work). When I give money, you work for me (or give me the product of someone's work). Money, in and of itself is worthless. It's worth only comes from the general willingness of people to accept it. (US paper money says, "This note is legal tender for all debts, publis and private" It is illegal NOT TO ACCEPT it. You can be sued for not accepting it.) All of this is regulated by Ceasar. God has no objection to our giving to Ceasar whet belongs to Ceasar.

Why would God want some people to receive the benefits of the work of others and not work themselves? That is what would happen if some people received goods and services (thats others worked to produce) and did not pay (work themselves). This would not be a recipe for spirituality, but a recipe for selfishness. God says, if you will not work, neither should you eat.

 

[loveme1]

If we still die, how is God pleased with our offerings? We have went the way of cain!

Remember 30000 children died today alone who has no opportunity to make money! And 76% of americans are only living paycheck to paycheck. That's slavery.


And this system has run it's course. Only those who make enough money to live are delusional.

One must wait patiently.

Revelation 21

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[SpiritofFire]

God created everything, and gave man dominion over it.

We can make agreements among ourselves. What is bound on earth will be bound in heaven.

Money is a way of storing up the product of our work. To get money, I work for you (or give you the product of someone's work). When I give money, you work for me (or give me the product of someone's work). Money, in and of itself is worthless. It's worth only comes from the general willingness of people to accept it. (US paper money says, "This note is legal tender for all debts, publis and private" It is illegal NOT TO ACCEPT it. You can be sued for not accepting it.) All of this is regulated by Ceasar. God has no objection to our giving to Ceasar whet belongs to Ceasar.

Why would God want some people to receive the benefits of the work of others and not work themselves? That is what would happen if some people received goods and services (thats others worked to produce) and did not pay (work themselves). This would not be a recipe for spirituality, but a recipe for selfishness. God says, if you will not work, neither should you eat.

All of what you posted will soon be burned in the fire.

Give me ONE thing we need it for? Just ONE....

Work is not the issue. Working just for survival is!


What you posted helps none of those 30000 children who by your belief is punished by God.

We haven't changed since men liked shiny rocks! And now it's colorful paper!

We are the rulers of this planet! Is there a law against us in simply giving away what we have for all to enjoy?

Now of all the things you enjoy, did you make ANY of it? The person who made the phone is dead. Do you believe his family is still enjoying the royalties from this invention? Or the lighbulb, or the car, or the internet and wifi?

Most people don't have a clue as to how these things are made, they only know that money gives access to them.

I ask you if you don't mind saying it. What is your profession?