Does this verse still hold true
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Sorry. God does not grade on a scale between a little bit of sin and a lot of sin. You commit sin and refuse to repent of it and or turn from that sin then one is of the devil. It's not negotiation and it is not a debate. The Bible shouldn't have to tell you that doing evil is bad. It's morality 101. Doing evil makes one a villain and not a good guy. For how in the world do you know the good guys from the bad guys when you see a movie or watch the news? It's by their fruit. Anyway, if you do need a Bible to tell you that doing evil is wrong, then read John 8. The pharisees were of their father the devil because they did what they seen their father (Satan) was doing. Also read Jude in the NIV. For there are those who have turned the grace of our God into a license to sin. For when David committed murder and adultery, he didn't shrug his shoulders and claim he was forgiven. Read Psalm 51. He said to the Lord not take His Holy Spirit from him.
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Who said anything about a scale? And clearly the difference is that the flesh is judged already and condemned with Christ...And David was before the Cross of Christ and the new birth...I have been reading some of your post and you have seemed very honest in your desire for truth... But don't play the bait and switch game with me...I made a biblical point that you cant seem to defeat with what you "think" God does about believers who sin.
So even when a NT writer (Peter) quotes said idea, stating that it is still valid, it is then invalid because it's done away by the New Covenant?
Why would the Spirit inspire it to be written then?
And side note, even in the Covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah there is still a difference between righteousness and evil...
1 Kepha 3:12, "For the eyes of Yahweh are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of Yahweh is against those who do evil."
Proverbs 15:29, "Yahweh is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."
Why would the Spirit inspire it to be written then?
And side note, even in the Covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah there is still a difference between righteousness and evil...
1 Kepha 3:12, "For the eyes of Yahweh are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of Yahweh is against those who do evil."
Proverbs 15:29, "Yahweh is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."
I am usually a very loving guy. But I get a little upset (in love) when self professing believers think they can do evil in God's name and get away with it. I am sorry. It doesn't work like that, my friend. There is no excuse, no tolerance for evil, no salvation if you profess to know Jesus Christ. For Jesus said you will know a tree by its fruit. For a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vise versa.
1 John 1:6
"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
For Peter talks about false prophets who cannot cease from sin and who have eyes full of adultery (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:14).
There are certain ungodly men who have crept in unaware who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4).
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As for David: God is not a respecter of persons. It is silly to suggest that He is not fair and just with all people in regards to salvation.
1 John 1:6
"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
For Peter talks about false prophets who cannot cease from sin and who have eyes full of adultery (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:14).
There are certain ungodly men who have crept in unaware who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4).
Side Note:
As for David: God is not a respecter of persons. It is silly to suggest that He is not fair and just with all people in regards to salvation.
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Reminds me of this;
2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "20 The soul that sins, it will die. The son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is Lawful and right, then he will surely live; he will not die. And his transgressions that he has committed will not be mentioned against him; in his righteousness that he has done, he will live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says Father Yahweh: No, but rather that he would turn back from his wicked ways, and live. But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does--should he live? All his righteousness that he has done will not be mentioned in his behalf. In his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he will die. Yet you say; The way of Yahweh is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israyl: Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity and dies, it is because of the iniquity he has done, that he will die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is Lawful and right, he will save himself, and live. Because he considered, and turned away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he will surely live; he will not die."
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "20 The soul that sins, it will die. The son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is Lawful and right, then he will surely live; he will not die. And his transgressions that he has committed will not be mentioned against him; in his righteousness that he has done, he will live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says Father Yahweh: No, but rather that he would turn back from his wicked ways, and live. But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does--should he live? All his righteousness that he has done will not be mentioned in his behalf. In his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he will die. Yet you say; The way of Yahweh is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israyl: Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity and dies, it is because of the iniquity he has done, that he will die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is Lawful and right, he will save himself, and live. Because he considered, and turned away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he will surely live; he will not die."
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Okay, so who does the "good work" in a believer's life? Is it God? Or is it the believer? Well, Scripture tells us that God (Christ) is the One who ultimately does the work within a believer.
Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10 KJV
Hebrews 12:1, 2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22, 23, 24 (cf. Matthew 7:16, 18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26, 27
For that is why the 24 elders cast their crowns down before Jesus (Revelation 4:10). For the crowns they received for their good work was all the result of Christ working in them.
Yeah, but doesn't a believer do the work, too? Now, yes, it is true; A believer is created unto Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10); And a believer is indeed held accountable by their "good works" here upon this Earth at a Judgment. But we must also realize that true believers are not ultimately doing these "good works" alone or of their own power, though. For in 1 Corinthians 15:10 Paul said that he labored more than all of his brethren, yet he said it was not him that labored but it was the grace of God that was within him. So true believer's are just choosing to allow God's "good work" to flow within them or not.
So the believer cannot lay ultimate claim or ownership of doing the "good works" alone because it is God ultimately doing the "good work" within them.
For James and Paul go together. Like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they compliment each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like."
In other words, works (all by their lonesome) is not what is saving you but it is the proof that Christ is living in you who does the actual saving. For he that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10 KJV
Hebrews 12:1, 2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22, 23, 24 (cf. Matthew 7:16, 18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26, 27
For that is why the 24 elders cast their crowns down before Jesus (Revelation 4:10). For the crowns they received for their good work was all the result of Christ working in them.
Yeah, but doesn't a believer do the work, too? Now, yes, it is true; A believer is created unto Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10); And a believer is indeed held accountable by their "good works" here upon this Earth at a Judgment. But we must also realize that true believers are not ultimately doing these "good works" alone or of their own power, though. For in 1 Corinthians 15:10 Paul said that he labored more than all of his brethren, yet he said it was not him that labored but it was the grace of God that was within him. So true believer's are just choosing to allow God's "good work" to flow within them or not.
So the believer cannot lay ultimate claim or ownership of doing the "good works" alone because it is God ultimately doing the "good work" within them.
For James and Paul go together. Like two sides of the same coin, they don't conflict with each other; they compliment each other. Both teach us something vital. Paul looks at what goes on internally; James talks about the external results. Paul says, "We're saved by faith." James says, "This is what saving faith looks like."
In other words, works (all by their lonesome) is not what is saving you but it is the proof that Christ is living in you who does the actual saving. For he that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
For God is the source of the work done within you; Sort of like how electricity is the source of power that gives you the ability to turn on lights, your computer, your washer, your television, your thermostat, your microwave, etc. All these things move by the power of electricity. Without electricity, you can't activate any of these devices. It's the same with God abiding in you and doing the good work. God is the source of the power of your salvation. If you truly abide in Him, then you will not be able to help but move (thereby allowing His good work to flow thru you).
For Jesus said, "you will know them by their fruits." (Matthew 7:16)
And the fruits of the Spirit are:
Love,
Joy,
Peace,
Longsuffering,
Gentleness,
Goodness,
Faith,
Meekness,
Temperance
(Galatians 5:22-23)
For Jesus said, "you will know them by their fruits." (Matthew 7:16)
And the fruits of the Spirit are:
Love,
Joy,
Peace,
Longsuffering,
Gentleness,
Goodness,
Faith,
Meekness,
Temperance
(Galatians 5:22-23)
For the Scriptures say:
2 Corinthians 13:5
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
2 Corinthians 13:5
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
Great Post! I agree 100%.
So while you were typing that, which is IMO 100% true. I was gathering these verses, I think they say the same thing, generally. Praise Yahweh!
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is One.
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Isayah 45:18, "For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!"
Isayah 53, "Who has believed our report? To whom is the arm of Yahweh revealed? For He will grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground. He has no form nor comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by Yahweh, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and Yahweh has laid on Him the iniquity o us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut of from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death; but He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet His bruises; willful sacrifice, pleased Yahweh; for He was put to much grief. Now He has brought the offering for sin. He will see His seed, He will prolong days, and the pleasure of Yahweh will succeed in His hands. He will see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied; by His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, for He will bear their iniquities. Therefore, I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the plunder with the strong; because He poured out His soul to death, and He was numbered with the transgressors; and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai (Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Romans 8:14, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of Yahweh, they are the sons of Yahweh!"
Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
So while you were typing that, which is IMO 100% true. I was gathering these verses, I think they say the same thing, generally. Praise Yahweh!
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is One.
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Isayah 45:18, "For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!"
Isayah 53, "Who has believed our report? To whom is the arm of Yahweh revealed? For He will grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground. He has no form nor comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by Yahweh, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and Yahweh has laid on Him the iniquity o us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut of from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death; but He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet His bruises; willful sacrifice, pleased Yahweh; for He was put to much grief. Now He has brought the offering for sin. He will see His seed, He will prolong days, and the pleasure of Yahweh will succeed in His hands. He will see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied; by His knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, for He will bear their iniquities. Therefore, I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the plunder with the strong; because He poured out His soul to death, and He was numbered with the transgressors; and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai (Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Romans 8:14, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of Yahweh, they are the sons of Yahweh!"
Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
The Lord our God is good, just, loving, and Holy. I think most Christians can agree on these facts. I also think most Christians will also agree that the Holy Spirit (God) lives within them, too.
We know that God is not capable of doing any kind of evil for there is no darkness in God. Yet there are many Christians who think that we can abide in unrepentant sin and act evil and still be saved with God living in their heart.
They think God will just sit idly by and will do nothing while they sin against Him. They think God is not really looking to work thru them and that they are the ones who are responsible for doing the "good work" and not God. For "good works" are just optional if you want to do that. You really do not need to have "good works" to show that you have a true faith. "Good works" is all about you. If this is true, then why do the apostles tell us to have "good works"?
I mean, think about it. If God truly lives in you, would not God be doing good things within your life? Does not the Scriptures say that God works in the believer? Do you think God would approve of you doing evil or sin when He wants to do good within you? Do you think God rewards people for doing evil? Does the cross give us a license to sin or for us to not worry whatsoever of how we are to live our life for the Lord? Do some self professing Christians really think they can do evil and wrap it up in the cloak of Jesus and get away with it?
However, if God truly lives in you, then you will have the fruit of God pouring out in your life to some capacity and that evil will not reign in your life; Only Jesus Christ will have reign and rule in your life if you are a true follower of Him.
Yes, it is true, works do not save you (in and of themselves or all by their lonesome); but works is your testament, though. Your proof in the pudding that God is living in you. For God ultimately does the work in the believer. We are just choosing to allow God to work in us or not. For Jesus Christ Himself said, "for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5).
For a true faith that is filled with a life of holiness & fruitfulness is not put forth of your lonesome apart from God to be saved, but it is the evidence of having a true faith vs. a false or hypocritical faith. It is merely the evidence that God lives in you.
How does one start?
By repenting of their sins and always being humble before their God and living for Him in all that they do (See the Parable of the Tax Collector in Luke 18:9-14 here). For there is no condemnation for those who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh (Romans 8:1).
I hope this helps.
And may God bless you all.
We know that God is not capable of doing any kind of evil for there is no darkness in God. Yet there are many Christians who think that we can abide in unrepentant sin and act evil and still be saved with God living in their heart.
They think God will just sit idly by and will do nothing while they sin against Him. They think God is not really looking to work thru them and that they are the ones who are responsible for doing the "good work" and not God. For "good works" are just optional if you want to do that. You really do not need to have "good works" to show that you have a true faith. "Good works" is all about you. If this is true, then why do the apostles tell us to have "good works"?
I mean, think about it. If God truly lives in you, would not God be doing good things within your life? Does not the Scriptures say that God works in the believer? Do you think God would approve of you doing evil or sin when He wants to do good within you? Do you think God rewards people for doing evil? Does the cross give us a license to sin or for us to not worry whatsoever of how we are to live our life for the Lord? Do some self professing Christians really think they can do evil and wrap it up in the cloak of Jesus and get away with it?
However, if God truly lives in you, then you will have the fruit of God pouring out in your life to some capacity and that evil will not reign in your life; Only Jesus Christ will have reign and rule in your life if you are a true follower of Him.
Yes, it is true, works do not save you (in and of themselves or all by their lonesome); but works is your testament, though. Your proof in the pudding that God is living in you. For God ultimately does the work in the believer. We are just choosing to allow God to work in us or not. For Jesus Christ Himself said, "for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5).
For a true faith that is filled with a life of holiness & fruitfulness is not put forth of your lonesome apart from God to be saved, but it is the evidence of having a true faith vs. a false or hypocritical faith. It is merely the evidence that God lives in you.
How does one start?
By repenting of their sins and always being humble before their God and living for Him in all that they do (See the Parable of the Tax Collector in Luke 18:9-14 here). For there is no condemnation for those who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh (Romans 8:1).
I hope this helps.
And may God bless you all.
I am glad you understand that it is not your works in and of themselves that ultimately matter. For we are saved by grace and not that of ourselves. It is the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast. For it is God's Works that matter. This is the result of a person being born again and regenerated. Works are the natural result of God living in a person. The only we appear to differ on is that you believe the Old Testament Law of Moses is still binding, when I do not see that in the New Testament. I see the changing of Laws. I see Scripture referring to the Law of Moses as having been fulfilled in Christ. For loving your neighbor fulfills the Law. This is New Testament and not Old Testament. To me it is all too clear to see. However, do not take my word for it, my friend. Ask the Lord on this matter and see what He says (Jeremiah 33:3).
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Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day,"
"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene." Matthew 2:23
"For we have found this man (Paul) a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" Acts 24:5
Isayah 11:1-2, "There will come forth a Rod out of the stem of Yishai, and a Branch will grow out of his roots. The Spirit of Yahweh will rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the reverence of Yahweh."
Branch is word H#5342 - netser: a sprout, shoot
Original Word: נֵ֫צֶר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: netser
Phonetic Spelling: (nay'-tser)
Short Definition: branch
A "Netzer" is a type of Branch - a shoot from an olive tree that grows out of its original root system but springs up at a later time from the stump, or somewhat distant from the trunk.
"For we have found this man (Paul) a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" Acts 24:5
("Netzer or Nazarenes" = "Branch/shoot" )
John (Yahchanan 15:4-6, "Abide in Me, and I in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
Epiphanius (Fourth century "church father") writes of the ancient Nazarenes: But these sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes,”
Jerome (4th Century "church father") described these Nazarenes as those "...who accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law." (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14).
"Minæans" apparently Latinized from Hebrew MINIM (singular is MIN) a word which in modern Hebrew means "apostates" but was originally an acronym for a Hebrew phrase meaning "Believers in Yeshua the Nazarene."
Jerome responds saying of the Nazarenes "though believing in Christ, [they] were anathematized by the [church] fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old."
Epiphanius (Fourth century "church father") writes of the ancient Nazarenes:
But these sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes,”... However they are simply complete Jews. They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do... They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-- except for their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things, and declare that God is one, and that his son is Yeshua the Messiah. They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the Prophets, and the... Writings... are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by the Jews. They are different from the Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Messiah; but since they are still fettered by the Law--circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest-- they are not in accord with Christians.... they are nothing but Jews.... They have the Goodnews according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)
Mattithyah 2:23, "And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophets; He will be called a Nazarene."
Zecharyah 3:8, "Hear now, O Yahshua the High Priest, you and your companions who sit before you; for they are men wondered at. For behold, I will bring forth My servant the BRANCH."
Zecharyah 6:12-13, "Speak to him, and say; This is what Yahweh of hosts says: Behold, the Man Whose Name is the BRANCH! For He will branch out from His place, and He will build temple of Yahweh! Yes, He will build the temple of Yahweh. He will bear glory, and will sit and rule on His throne. He will be a priest upon His throne; and the counsel of peace will be between them both."
Yeremyah 23:5-6, "Behold, the days come, says Yahweh: that I will raise to David a righteous Branch, and a King will reign and succeed, and will execute judgment and justice in the earth. In His days Yahdah will be saved, and Israyl will dwell safely; and this is the Name that He will proclaim to them-Yahweh Tsidqenu: YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."
Isayah 4:2, "In that day will the branch of Yahweh be beautiful and glorious and the fruit of the earth will be excellent and comely for those who are escaped to Israyl."
Acts 9:1-2, "Then Shaul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of Yahshua, went to the High Priest; And he asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any who belonged to this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound to Yerusalem."
Acts 9:2, (AMP) "And requested of him letters to the synagogues at Damascus [authorizing him], so that if he found any men or women belonging to the Way [of life as determined by faith in Jesus Christ], he might bring them bound [with chains] to Jerusalem."
Acts 24:14, "5 For we have found this man to be a pest: one who stirs up trouble among all the Yahdaim (Jews) throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes." "24 But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day,"
"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene." Matthew 2:23
"For we have found this man (Paul) a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" Acts 24:5
Isayah 11:1-2, "There will come forth a Rod out of the stem of Yishai, and a Branch will grow out of his roots. The Spirit of Yahweh will rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the reverence of Yahweh."
Branch is word H#5342 - netser: a sprout, shoot
Original Word: נֵ֫צֶר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: netser
Phonetic Spelling: (nay'-tser)
Short Definition: branch
A "Netzer" is a type of Branch - a shoot from an olive tree that grows out of its original root system but springs up at a later time from the stump, or somewhat distant from the trunk.
"For we have found this man (Paul) a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" Acts 24:5
("Netzer or Nazarenes" = "Branch/shoot" )
John (Yahchanan 15:4-6, "Abide in Me, and I in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
Epiphanius (Fourth century "church father") writes of the ancient Nazarenes: But these sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes,”
Jerome (4th Century "church father") described these Nazarenes as those "...who accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law." (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14).
"Minæans" apparently Latinized from Hebrew MINIM (singular is MIN) a word which in modern Hebrew means "apostates" but was originally an acronym for a Hebrew phrase meaning "Believers in Yeshua the Nazarene."
Jerome responds saying of the Nazarenes "though believing in Christ, [they] were anathematized by the [church] fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old."
Epiphanius (Fourth century "church father") writes of the ancient Nazarenes:
But these sectarians... did not call themselves Christians--but "Nazarenes,”... However they are simply complete Jews. They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do... They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-- except for their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things, and declare that God is one, and that his son is Yeshua the Messiah. They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew. For among them the entire Law, the Prophets, and the... Writings... are read in Hebrew, as they surely are by the Jews. They are different from the Jews, and different from Christians, only in the following. They disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in Messiah; but since they are still fettered by the Law--circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest-- they are not in accord with Christians.... they are nothing but Jews.... They have the Goodnews according to Matthew in its entirety in Hebrew. For it is clear that they still preserve this, in the Hebrew alphabet, as it was originally written. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)
Mattithyah 2:23, "And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophets; He will be called a Nazarene."
Zecharyah 3:8, "Hear now, O Yahshua the High Priest, you and your companions who sit before you; for they are men wondered at. For behold, I will bring forth My servant the BRANCH."
Zecharyah 6:12-13, "Speak to him, and say; This is what Yahweh of hosts says: Behold, the Man Whose Name is the BRANCH! For He will branch out from His place, and He will build temple of Yahweh! Yes, He will build the temple of Yahweh. He will bear glory, and will sit and rule on His throne. He will be a priest upon His throne; and the counsel of peace will be between them both."
Yeremyah 23:5-6, "Behold, the days come, says Yahweh: that I will raise to David a righteous Branch, and a King will reign and succeed, and will execute judgment and justice in the earth. In His days Yahdah will be saved, and Israyl will dwell safely; and this is the Name that He will proclaim to them-Yahweh Tsidqenu: YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."
Isayah 4:2, "In that day will the branch of Yahweh be beautiful and glorious and the fruit of the earth will be excellent and comely for those who are escaped to Israyl."
Acts 9:1-2, "Then Shaul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of Yahshua, went to the High Priest; And he asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any who belonged to this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound to Yerusalem."
Acts 9:2, (AMP) "And requested of him letters to the synagogues at Damascus [authorizing him], so that if he found any men or women belonging to the Way [of life as determined by faith in Jesus Christ], he might bring them bound [with chains] to Jerusalem."
Acts 24:14, "5 For we have found this man to be a pest: one who stirs up trouble among all the Yahdaim (Jews) throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes." "24 But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
Did you know that the Feasts of Yahweh will be celebrated during the Messiah's 1,000 reign?
1,000 yr reign;
Zecharyah 14:16-21, "Then it will come to pass that everyone who survives of all the nations which came against Yerusalem, will also go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, by keeping the Feasts at The Tabernacle of Yahweh. And it will be that if any families of the earth will not come up to Yerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then upon them will be no rain. family of Egypt will not come up and present themselves, they also will have no water; they will receive the same plague with which Yahweh of hosts strikes the heathen who will not come up to keep the Feasts at The Tabernacle of Yahweh. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all nations that do not go up to keep the Feasts at The Tabernacle of Yahweh. In that day there will even be engraved on the bells of the horses: Qodesh La-Yahweh; Holy to Yahweh; and the pots in Yahweh's House will be like the bowls before the altar. Yes, every pot in Yerusalem and Yahdah will be holy to Yahweh of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them, and boil the meat of the sacrifices in them. And in that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in The House of Yahweh of hosts."
Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."
practice time (1,000 yr reign) is over, satan is loosed, an swiftly destroyed,
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
and the eternal kingdom of Yahweh is all that is left!
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himselfwill be with them, and be their Father. And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Isayah 54:8-17, "With a little wrath, I hid My face from you for a moment; but with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you: says Yahweh your Redeemer. For this is like the waters of Noah to Me; for as I have vowed that the waters of Noah would no longer cover the earth, so have I vowed that I would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you. For the mountains will depart and the hills be removed; but My kindness will not depart from you, nor will My covenant of peace be removed, says Yahweh, Who has mercy on you. O you afflicted, tossed with tempest and not comforted. Behold, I will lay your stones with turquoise, and lay your foundations with sapphires. I will make your windows of rubies, and your gates of crystal, and all your walls of precious stones. All your children will be taught by Yahweh; and great will be the peace of your children. In righteousness you will be established. You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear from terror; for it will not come near you. Behold, they will surely assemble, but it is not from Me. Whoever assembles against you will fall for your sake. Behold, I have created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame, and forges an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster; devastator, to destroy. No weapon that is formed against you will succeed; and every tongue that will rise against you in judgment, you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Yahweh, and their righteousness is from Me, says Yahweh."
1,000 yr reign;
Zecharyah 14:16-21, "Then it will come to pass that everyone who survives of all the nations which came against Yerusalem, will also go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, by keeping the Feasts at The Tabernacle of Yahweh. And it will be that if any families of the earth will not come up to Yerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then upon them will be no rain. family of Egypt will not come up and present themselves, they also will have no water; they will receive the same plague with which Yahweh of hosts strikes the heathen who will not come up to keep the Feasts at The Tabernacle of Yahweh. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all nations that do not go up to keep the Feasts at The Tabernacle of Yahweh. In that day there will even be engraved on the bells of the horses: Qodesh La-Yahweh; Holy to Yahweh; and the pots in Yahweh's House will be like the bowls before the altar. Yes, every pot in Yerusalem and Yahdah will be holy to Yahweh of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them, and boil the meat of the sacrifices in them. And in that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in The House of Yahweh of hosts."
Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."
practice time (1,000 yr reign) is over, satan is loosed, an swiftly destroyed,
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
and the eternal kingdom of Yahweh is all that is left!
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himselfwill be with them, and be their Father. And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Isayah 54:8-17, "With a little wrath, I hid My face from you for a moment; but with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you: says Yahweh your Redeemer. For this is like the waters of Noah to Me; for as I have vowed that the waters of Noah would no longer cover the earth, so have I vowed that I would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you. For the mountains will depart and the hills be removed; but My kindness will not depart from you, nor will My covenant of peace be removed, says Yahweh, Who has mercy on you. O you afflicted, tossed with tempest and not comforted. Behold, I will lay your stones with turquoise, and lay your foundations with sapphires. I will make your windows of rubies, and your gates of crystal, and all your walls of precious stones. All your children will be taught by Yahweh; and great will be the peace of your children. In righteousness you will be established. You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear from terror; for it will not come near you. Behold, they will surely assemble, but it is not from Me. Whoever assembles against you will fall for your sake. Behold, I have created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame, and forges an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster; devastator, to destroy. No weapon that is formed against you will succeed; and every tongue that will rise against you in judgment, you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Yahweh, and their righteousness is from Me, says Yahweh."