Does this verse still hold true

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Does this verse still hold true

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 94.4%
  • No

    Votes: 1 5.6%

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Hizikyah

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Anyways, believers obey these commands not so as to be saved, but because they are saved. In other words, caterpillars do not make artificial wings so as to fly. But Caterpillars transform into butterflies and whereby they will then fly naturally. In other words, when a person is regenerated and has root in God and His Word, they are God's Elect or chosen and will bring forth much fruit.
I agree here, but this is not an excuse for ignoring Yahweh's Instructions.

His way or no way.

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
 
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I agree here, but this is not an excuse for ignoring Yahweh's Instructions.

His way or no way.

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
The law is OT.. " Isaiah " We now have the blood of Christ Yahshua


Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


2 Corinthians 3:6 - Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
 

Hizikyah

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The law is OT.. " Isaiah " We now have the blood of Christ Yahshua


Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


2 Corinthians 3:6 - Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

the word Law is: 3551 nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
 

Hizikyah

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1,000 yr reign, practice time (1,000 yr reign) is over, satan is loosed, and swiftly destroyed, and the eternal kingdom of Yahweh is all that is left!

Zecharyah 14:16-21, "Then it will come to pass that everyone who survives of all the nations which came against Yerusalem, will also go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, by keeping the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. And it will be that if any families of the earth will not come up to Yerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then upon them will be no rain. family of Egypt will not come up and present themselves, they also will have no water; they will receive the same plague with which Yahweh of hosts strikes the heathen who will not come up to keep the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all nations that do not go up to keep the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. In that day there will even be engraved on the bells of the horses: Qodesh La-Yahweh; Holy to Yahweh; and the pots in Yahweh's House will be like the bowls before the altar. Yes, every pot in Yerusalem and Yahdah will be holy to Yahweh of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them, and boil the meat of the sacrifices in them. And in that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in The House of Yahweh of hosts."

Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."



Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."


1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away."
 
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The answer is yes.

the question is, who are the righteous, the word says there are non righteous, no not one, and that our righteousness is NOT of the law.

so if there is no one who is righteous, and righteousness can not be found from the law. then who is righteous?
 
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Most Christians are wrong for believing that Romans chapter 7 is talking about Paul struggling with sin as a Christian. Actually, Paul is speaking to his ex Jewish brothers (or those trying to keep the Law of Moses). He is referring to his experience as an outward Jew (Before He came to Christ) trying to obey the Law. Paul gives these outward Jews the solution to overcome their struggle to keep the Law with Romans 8:1 (in the next chapter).

#1. Paul is repeating a point He made in chapter 5.
For there was no such thing as chapter breaks in the Bible. They were added later. Anyways, to understand chapter 7, you have to know what was going on in chapter 5.

In Romans chapter 5 we learn, "For by one man sin entered the world and by one man many shall be justified."

Now, under the Mosaic Law there was an accounting and those under that Law had to bring their sacrifices accordingly. Prior to the Mosaic law, the Patriarchs offered sacrifices to God, but not as a result of particular sins–not because God said to them if you do such and such sin then you have to offer such and such sacrifices. The sacrifices of the Patriarchs were offered based upon faith, not law. Which explains the context of Romans 5:13.

For sin was no doubt in the world prior to the law and so was transgression, hence there had to be some kind of law. For obviously Paul does not contradict himself here. He says that sin was not accounted until the law came. The point is that there was no law from God to this point that had been codified, that is, placed into written form. Before the Law of Moses, sin was not imputed because there was no written Law to transgress. Then how was sin imputed to those living before the written Law? Well, sin was imputed to those living before the Law because the "death of sin" was passed down to them thru Adam's disobedience (Romans 5:12, 14, 17, 18, 19). Those living before the Law, were exclusively justified by faith and those who did not live by faith were condemned. In other words, the Old Testament saint living before the Law was justified by following Romans 8:1. Yes, they did not know who Christ was yet or this passage, but the Spirit of Christ was in fact within the prophets, though (1 Peter 1:10, 11).



This point of the Law in Romans 5 is made in Romans chapter 7. Compare Romans 7:8-10 with Romans 5:12-14 and Romans 5:20.

#2. This passage is an answer to the question “Did that which was good [the Law], then, become death to me?” (Romans 7:13) Paul is not primarily interested here in discussing anyone's struggle with sin. He is explaining how the Old Testament Law – good in itself – was used by sin to bring death to pre-Christians.

#3. Paul knows that Christians struggle with sin; after all, many of his letters are written to help churches deal with sin. But he discusses the Christian struggle with sin in the next chapter (Romans 8:10-14). His conclusions about the struggle there do not seem to me to be consistent if chapter 7 is also about the Christian struggle with sin.

#4. Paul’s only positive description of the “me” in this passage is elsewhere applied to Jews, not Christians. “I agree with the Law, that the Law is good” (Romans 7:16) and “I delight in the law of God in my inner man” (Romans 7:22). But this is more in line with Paul’s description of Jews: “If you call yourself a Jew and rely on the Law” (Romans 2:17). In Romans, Christians have “died to the Law” (Romans 7:4) and thus “delight in the Law” is not most naturally applied to Christians.

#5. Paul’s negative descriptions of the “me” in the passage are elsewhere applied to Jews, not Christians.

“I am fleshly, sold into bondage to sin” (Romans 7:14). Compare to “we were in the flesh” (Romans 7:5); “we were freed from sin” (Romans 6:18); “we were slaves to sin” (Romans 6:20); and “you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit” (Romans 8:9).​
“But I see another law… making me a prisoner of the law of sin” (Romans 7:23). Compare to “but now, freed from sin and enslaved to God” (Romans 6:22); and “the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2).​
If Paul says that Christian are no longer in the flesh and are no longer slaves or prisoners of sin, then it seems to make the most sense to say that he is talking about his pre-Christian experience when he was Jew here in Romans 7:14-25.​

Anyways, I hope this helps.

And may God bless you.


Sources Used:
Paul is not Talking about Himself: Why I take the "pre-Christian" Reading of Romans 7:14-25
Theology Online | Christian Forums & More - View Single Post - ECT Christians and the Old Testament
 
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Most Christians are wrong for believing that Romans chapter 7 is talking about Paul struggling with sin as a Christian. Actually, Paul is speaking to his ex Jewish brothers (or those trying to keep the Law of Moses). He is referring to his experience as an outward Jew (Before He came to Christ) trying to obey the Law. Paul gives these outward Jews the solution to overcome their struggle to keep the Law with Romans 8:1 (in the next chapter).
No No No No No, oh wow dude you did not just go there.

Paul is speaking a a battle he had between the flesh and the spirit. One can not have a battle with the before they are born of God, everything they do is of the flesh, because they are spiritually dead, and unable to do good or please God.


we know he was talking present tense, and a struggle he was battling right then and right there by how he ends.

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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Christians obey the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) and or the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). They obey the royal law of love (James 2:8).

Romans 13:8-10
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Christians are not seeking to rebuild the Temple so as to sacrifice animals again. The Temple veil is torn. Tha Aaronic priesthood is abolished and Jesus Christ is now our eternal high priest after the order of Melchisedeck. Christians have a liberty under the New Testament to eat unclean animals. Christians are told by Christ Himself to not render evil for evil (i.e. an eye for an eye) but they are to turn the other cheek. These are all changes in the OT Law letting us know that it is no longer authorative. The Commands or Laws under the New Testament are authoritative now. For Jesus said no man puts new wine into old wine skins. But even if you fail to measure up one week or yesterday in keeping the NT Law, you have God's grace to cleanse you and so as to help you to do the Lord's will. Grace is never a license to sin. Grace is so as to help us conform to the image of Christ and so as to glorify Him.

If you do not understand or do not accept that the Old Testament Law of Moses has been abolished and replaced with the New Testament Commands (Which are 1,050 + Commands ~ BTW), then I would encourage you to read the many articles at Grace Community International (GCI) at the following link.

https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses

For these articles had helped me. Perhaps they will help you, my friend.
 
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Christians obey the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) and or the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). They obey the royal law of love (James 2:8).

Romans 13:8-10
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Christians are not seeking to rebuild the Temple so as to sacrifice animals again. The Temple veil is torn. Tha Aaronic priesthood is abolished and Jesus Christ is now our eternal high priest after the order of Melchisedeck. Christians have a liberty under the New Testament to eat unclean animals. Christians are told by Christ Himself to not render evil for evil (i.e. an eye for an eye) but they are to turn the other cheek. These are all changes in the OT Law letting us know that it is no longer authorative. The Commands or Laws under the New Testament are authoritative now. For Jesus said no man puts new wine into old wine skins. But even if you fail to measure up one week or yesterday in keeping the NT Law, you have God's grace to cleanse you and so as to help you to do the Lord's will. Grace is never a license to sin. Grace is so as to help us conform to the image of Christ and so as to glorify Him.

If you do not understand or do not accept that the Old Testament Law of Moses has been abolished and replaced with the New Testament Commands (Which are 1,050 + Commands ~ BTW), then I would encourage you to read the many articles at Grace Community International (GCI) at the following link.
I am not sure how this relates here. Proverbs were not part of the law. nor was this proverb a part of the law. So your arguments against the fact this does not apply to us do not fit for the actual question that was asked.
 
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So then in your view, should we then do and tech the Law of Yahweh or not do and teach against the Law of Yahweh?
We are called the Preach the gospel not the law of Moses ...but we uphold the law for its purpose as a witness to Christ and God righteousness.
 
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No No No No No, oh wow dude you did not just go there.

Paul is speaking a a battle he had between the flesh and the spirit. One can not have a battle with the before they are born of God, everything they do is of the flesh, because they are spiritually dead, and unable to do good or please God.


we know he was talking present tense, and a struggle he was battling right then and right there by how he ends.

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Instead of just reacting quickly in disagreement. Please re-examine the Scriptural references I had made and compare them next to each other. I believe if you prayerfully consider each point with the verses I mentioned, you will come to the same conclusion. For it is silly to suggest that there are not religious men out there today who struggle to keep the Law and do not really know Jesus Christ. Catcholics and or other religions beat themselves if they find they are committing a certain sin they do not like. They struggle with trying to keep the Law but they can't do it. Religious men who seek to set a certain code have been at this for years. For the Gentiles are a law unto themselves. They have the moral law that convicts them in knowing to do right or wrong; And even the Gentiles before Christ had struggled to do what was good and right for the betterment of themselves, their families, and their country.
 
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We are called the Preach the gospel not the law of Moses ...but we uphold the law for its purpose as a witness to Christ and God righteousness.
Yes, we teach like jesus taught.

The aw is fulfilled in two verses. Love God, ad love your neighbor (anyone you come in contact with.)

and paul said the same in Romans, when he said he who loves has fulfilled the law.

the law of moses can only condemn, (that is what it was given for) the law of Love shows us how to fulfill the law of moses in our hearts.
 
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I am not sure how this relates here. Proverbs were not part of the law. nor was this proverb a part of the law. So your arguments against the fact this does not apply to us do not fit for the actual question that was asked.
We are talking about a separate issue (that is related to thread topic). I am not talking about Proverbs or the passsage he brought up directly.

However, you have to know that the word "Law" has at one point in being referenced to the "Law and the Prophets" (Which is a reference to the entire OT Scriptures).
 
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#94
Most Christians are wrong for believing that Romans chapter 7 is talking about Paul struggling with sin as a Christian. Actually, Paul is speaking to his ex Jewish brothers (or those trying to keep the Law of Moses). He is referring to his experience as an outward Jew (Before He came to Christ) trying to obey the Law. Paul gives these outward Jews the solution to overcome their struggle to keep the Law with Romans 8:1 (in the next chapter).

#1. Paul is repeating a point He made in chapter 5.
For there was no such thing as chapter breaks in the Bible. They were added later. Anyways, to understand chapter 7, you have to know what was going on in chapter 5.

In Romans chapter 5 we learn, "For by one man sin entered the world and by one man many shall be justified."

Now, under the Mosaic Law there was an accounting and those under that Law had to bring their sacrifices accordingly. Prior to the Mosaic law, the Patriarchs offered sacrifices to God, but not as a result of particular sins–not because God said to them if you do such and such sin then you have to offer such and such sacrifices. The sacrifices of the Patriarchs were offered based upon faith, not law. Which explains the context of Romans 5:13.

For sin was no doubt in the world prior to the law and so was transgression, hence there had to be some kind of law. For obviously Paul does not contradict himself here. He says that sin was not accounted until the law came. The point is that there was no law from God to this point that had been codified, that is, placed into written form. Before the Law of Moses, sin was not imputed because there was no written Law to transgress. Then how was sin imputed to those living before the written Law? Well, sin was imputed to those living before the Law because the "death of sin" was passed down to them thru Adam's disobedience (Romans 5:12, 14, 17, 18, 19). Those living before the Law, were exclusively justified by faith and those who did not live by faith were condemned. In other words, the Old Testament saint living before the Law was justified by following Romans 8:1. Yes, they did not know who Christ was yet or this passage, but the Spirit of Christ was in fact within the prophets, though (1 Peter 1:10, 11).



This point of the Law in Romans 5 is made in Romans chapter 7. Compare Romans 7:8-10 with Romans 5:12-14 and Romans 5:20.

#2. This passage is an answer to the question “Did that which was good [the Law], then, become death to me?” (Romans 7:13) Paul is not primarily interested here in discussing anyone's struggle with sin. He is explaining how the Old Testament Law – good in itself – was used by sin to bring death to pre-Christians.

#3. Paul knows that Christians struggle with sin; after all, many of his letters are written to help churches deal with sin. But he discusses the Christian struggle with sin in the next chapter (Romans 8:10-14). His conclusions about the struggle there do not seem to me to be consistent if chapter 7 is also about the Christian struggle with sin.

#4. Paul’s only positive description of the “me” in this passage is elsewhere applied to Jews, not Christians. “I agree with the Law, that the Law is good” (Romans 7:16) and “I delight in the law of God in my inner man” (Romans 7:22). But this is more in line with Paul’s description of Jews: “If you call yourself a Jew and rely on the Law” (Romans 2:17). In Romans, Christians have “died to the Law” (Romans 7:4) and thus “delight in the Law” is not most naturally applied to Christians.

#5. Paul’s negative descriptions of the “me” in the passage are elsewhere applied to Jews, not Christians.
“I am fleshly, sold into bondage to sin” (Romans 7:14). Compare to “we were in the flesh” (Romans 7:5); “we were freed from sin” (Romans 6:18); “we were slaves to sin” (Romans 6:20); and “you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit” (Romans 8:9).​
“But I see another law… making me a prisoner of the law of sin” (Romans 7:23). Compare to “but now, freed from sin and enslaved to God” (Romans 6:22); and “the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2).​
If Paul says that Christian are no longer in the flesh and are no longer slaves or prisoners of sin, then it seems to make the most sense to say that he is talking about his pre-Christian experience when he was Jew here in Romans 7:14-25.​

Anyways, I hope this helps.

And may God bless you.


Sources Used:
Paul is not Talking about Himself: Why I take the "pre-Christian" Reading of Romans 7:14-25
Theology Online | Christian Forums & More - View Single Post - ECT Christians and the Old Testament
Don't have a lot of time this AM but what Paul is speaking of is the effect of the law upon ALL flesh...the Law produces sinful lust in all who look to the law....."the strength of sin, is the law"
 
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Instead of just reacting quickly in disagreement. Please re-examine the Scriptural references I had made and compare them next to each other.
I did. I read the whole thing before I responded. and sorry, I have heard it all before. To say paul was speaking pre salvation is to give the legalist a shot in the arm, By saying paul did not struggle with sin after he was saved. Not a good thing to do.


I believe if you prayerfully consider each point with the verses I mentioned, you will come to the same conclusion. For it is silly to suggest that there are not religious men out there today who struggle to keep the Law and do not really know Jesus Christ. Catcholics and or other religions beat themselves if they find they are committing a certain sin they do not like. They struggle with trying to keep the Law but they can't do it. Religious men who seek to set a certain code have been at this for years. For the Gentiles are a law unto themselves. They have the moral law that convicts them in knowing to do right or wrong; And even the Gentiles before Christ had struggled to do what was good and right for the betterment of themselves, their families, and their country.
Paul is not teaching trying to keep the law makes him righteous, He is saying in-spite of the law. he still struggles. And it is true, the law still condemns today (were it not for Christ) that is why paul looked forward to the day when he would be freed from the body of death.

He then goes on to show what he will do (with the mind serve Christ, with the flesh serve sin). And in chapter 8, he tells us how to fulfill the law of love. To seek the things of the spirit,

He has to tell us as Christians why we need to seek after the spirit, so we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, before he can show us how to do it.

Why? because we still struggle with the flesh (as in chapter 7)

 
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We are talking about a separate issue (that is related to thread topic). I am not talking about Proverbs or the passsage he brought up directly.

However, you have to know that the word "Law" has at one point in being referenced to the "Law and the Prophets" (Which is a reference to the entire OT Scriptures).
we do not discount the whole whole OT, just because it is part of the law and prophets. even the law has some parts we should consider.

If we are living in sin, or struggling, and not walking close with God. he is not going to answer our prayers. he even tells us this in the NT

 
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Don't have a lot of time this AM but what Paul is speaking of is the effect of the law upon ALL flesh...the Law produces sinful lust in all who look to the law....."the strength of sin, is the law"
yes, even for those of us who are in christ, we allow the strength of the law to overcome, judge and condemn us. And if we keep doing this, our effectiveness for God is seriously hampered.
 
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Yes, we teach like jesus taught.

The aw is fulfilled in two verses. Love God, ad love your neighbor (anyone you come in contact with.)

and paul said the same in Romans, when he said he who loves has fulfilled the law.

the law of moses can only condemn, (that is what it was given for) the law of Love shows us how to fulfill the law of moses in our hearts.
And love being a work of the Spirit in us...in effect Gods love is given to us (shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit) and we in turn love others with the love given to us....No boasting on our part...God alone gets the glory for our lawkeeping :)
 
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yes, even for those of us who are in christ, we allow the strength of the law to overcome, judge and condemn us. And if we keep doing this, our effectiveness for God is seriously hampered.
Right...the flesh is stirred up in legalism...legalism never brings godliness...Only grace can deliver us from the flesh.
 
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And love being a work of the Spirit in us...in effect Gods love is given to us (shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit) and we in turn love others with the love given to us....No boasting on our part...God alone gets the glory for our lawkeeping :)
we love because God first loved us. (not because we are following some set of rules and regulations)