Does this verse still hold true

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Does this verse still hold true

  • Yes

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  • No

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Mitspa

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Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Yes they can, they can see that the great Law of Love composed of two Great Commandments, Love God and Love your neighbor, is composed of the Ten Commandments.

How does this do away with the Ten Commandments?
because man cannot obey God by the letter but only by having the Holy Spirit. And walking in love by the Spirt
 

john832

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I say what the Bible and the gospel teaches that sin is in all flesh and the law was to show us this truth so we would turn to Christ and His Commandment to love. Which is the only way to keep what the law demanded. Its called the simplicity of Christ.
You are teaching a false gospel of antinomianism.
 

john832

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The reason so many believers are under sins power is because they have been placed under the law.
So those who are outside of the Law, are not sinners?

We had a president one time that thought he was above the law, "I am not a crook."
 

john832

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because man cannot obey God by the letter but only by having the Holy Spirit. And walking in love by the Spirt
What you are saying is that man cannot obey the Law by the letter so the Law is done away (made void). God says the opposite...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I keep asking but can't get an answer...

What is wrong with the Ten Commandments?
 
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Mitspa

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You are teaching a false gospel of antinomianism.
No its called the truth and the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. I am not ashamed of the gospel for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. Just as it is written the just shall live by faith.
 

john832

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No its called the truth and the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. I am not ashamed of the gospel for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. Just as it is written the just shall live by faith.
You call it truth but back it up with partial quotes and twists. The truth is in the scriptures, not your head.
 
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Mitspa

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What you are saying is that man cannot obey the Law by the letter so the Law is done away (made void). God says the opposite...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I keep asking but can't get an answer...

What is wrong with the Ten Commandments?
Yes we uphold it for its purpose to make all guilty before God and as a school master to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
 

john832

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Yes we uphold it for its purpose to make all guilty before God and as a school master to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
OK, how about obeying it?
 

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I saw this go off on a discussion about the "law of Moses" and I'm just curious...
We have the ten commandments written by the finger of Yah, and put inside the ark of the covenant.
That was not the "law of Moses", because that was not written by him, rather it is the law of Yah.

On the other hand, the rest of the law as written by Moses was put where on the ark of the covenant?
In a separate compartment on the outside of the ark.
 
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I saw this go off on a discussion about the "law of Moses" and I'm just curious...
We have the ten commandments written by the finger of Yah, and put inside the ark of the covenant.
That was not the "law of Moses", because that was not written by him, rather it is the law of Yah.

On the other hand, the rest of the law as written by Moses was put where on the ark of the covenant?
In a separate compartment on the outside of the ark.
Revelation11:
18"And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth." 19And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
 
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Mitspa

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OK, how about obeying it?
I have already explained over and over ...just as Paul did that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk in the Spirit and the commandment of Christ to love...whats so hard about what God has made so simple for us?
 

john832

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Oh you mean the one who had many wives (adulterer) and killed one if his wives husbands (murder)

You go with him, you might think yourself more righteous than you really are. Not to mention, you will most likely fail. because the law never made anyone righteous.

Yep, the sins he committed, he repented of...

He freely admitted and then repented. He did not dodge behind the false doctrine that the Law no longer applied to him.
 

john832

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I saw this go off on a discussion about the "law of Moses" and I'm just curious...
We have the ten commandments written by the finger of Yah, and put inside the ark of the covenant.
That was not the "law of Moses", because that was not written by him, rather it is the law of Yah.

On the other hand, the rest of the law as written by Moses was put where on the ark of the covenant?
In a separate compartment on the outside of the ark.
Just for accuracy, Moses recorded the rest of Law but Who spoke that Law to him?
 

john832

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I have already explained over and over ...just as Paul did that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk in the Spirit and the commandment of Christ to love...whats so hard about what God has made so simple for us?
Funny thing is scripture tells us this...

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You know, this is what our first parents did, they chose to deny God's plain teaching and decide right and wrong for themselves. That old Law was bad then and bad today. At least that is what you are trying to say.
 

john832

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I have already explained over and over ...just as Paul did that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk in the Spirit and the commandment of Christ to love...whats so hard about what God has made so simple for us?
So, you don't have to keep the Commandments anymore?
 
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The law is OT.. " Isaiah " We now have the blood of Christ Yahshua


Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


2 Corinthians 3:6 - Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Also...

WHAT WE DO...

Isaiah 64:6
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


WHAT HE DOES ( THROUGH HOLY SPIRIT ) Ra' Hakodosh

Galatians Chapter 5
16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 
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Hizikyah

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Also...

WHAT WE DO...

Isaiah 64:6
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


WHAT HE DOES ( THROUGH HOLY SPIRIT ) Ra' Hakodosh

Galatians Chapter 5
16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5:18, "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

If you are lead by the Spirit you will not do anything in oppisition to the Law.

When you are driving as long as you go beloew the speed limit you will have no negative consequence (ticket) while yet having the benefit of being safe because you are driving the proper speed on a particular road.

The Spirit and the Law say the EXACT SAME THING.

this is the next verse:

Galatians 5:19, "For the works of the flesh are obvious, which are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, Idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, evil jealousies, rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies; sects or factions of division, Envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I warn you beforehand, just as I did in times past, that those who practice such things will not einherit the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Every single one of these is forbidden in Yahweh's Law, aka in oppisition to the Spirit and in oppisition to the Law.

Galatians 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering; patience, kindness, righteousness, The Faith; Meekness; gentleness, humility, temperance; self-control--such things are not against any Law."

Every single one of the is promoted and in the Spirit of Yahweh's Law, after all it was the Spirit of Yahweh that gave His Law, how could they possibly be in oppisition? Now do you undersand why Shaul said?, "such things are not against any Law."

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Instructions which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that agives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

Mattithyah 12:31, "Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy against men will be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven to men!"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
 
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We need to understand that ALL sinners are wicked and evil. That God is far away from such and that what they THINK is God is the false miracles that the bible talks about. Being Christian or Muslim doesn't save you as all power come from one source.

So I ask. Who's a sinner again? God don't answer sinners prayers..
I disagree. Everyone is a sinner and in complete need of God's grace in Jesus Christ, but not everyone is evil and wicked.
 

Hizikyah

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I disagree. Everyone is a sinner and in complete need of God's grace in Jesus Christ, but not everyone is evil and wicked.
Romans 3:23, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Yah."

Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of Yahweh is eternal life in Yahshua Messiah our Ruler."

2 Peter 3:9, "The Yahweh is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."