Eat My Flesh Drink My Blood
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Ok, thanks for showing me the passover reference.
However, I still do not think this is related to passover.
Passover is once a year, Lords supper is often in remembrance of me.
Jesus said this is something which endures forever, which you do not have to keep eating once a year, or often.
22 On the following day, when the people who were standing on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other boat there, except that one which His disciples had entered,[c] and that Jesus had not entered the boat with His disciples, but His disciples had gone away alone— 23 however, other boats came from Tiberias, near the place where they ate bread after the Lord had given thanks— 24 when the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they also got into boats and came to Capernaum, seeking Jesus. 25 And when they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You come here?”
26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”
I think alot of people have tried to relate this to passover or communion (IE Catholic church and eucharist) When it has nothing to do with it. and in doing so miss the picture of what jesus was trying to tell these people.
Yes his flesh and blood are represented in communion. But he is not talking literal flesh and blood here, He is talking about partaking of the food which endures forever. (the gospel of Christ)
However, I still do not think this is related to passover.
Passover is once a year, Lords supper is often in remembrance of me.
Jesus said this is something which endures forever, which you do not have to keep eating once a year, or often.
22 On the following day, when the people who were standing on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other boat there, except that one which His disciples had entered,[c] and that Jesus had not entered the boat with His disciples, but His disciples had gone away alone— 23 however, other boats came from Tiberias, near the place where they ate bread after the Lord had given thanks— 24 when the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, nor His disciples, they also got into boats and came to Capernaum, seeking Jesus. 25 And when they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You come here?”
26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”
I think alot of people have tried to relate this to passover or communion (IE Catholic church and eucharist) When it has nothing to do with it. and in doing so miss the picture of what jesus was trying to tell these people.
Yes his flesh and blood are represented in communion. But he is not talking literal flesh and blood here, He is talking about partaking of the food which endures forever. (the gospel of Christ)
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you said.
Now, Instead of judging me, Why don't you try to figure out what I am saying.
John 6 is about people who are looking for a hand out, Not for what matters (the gospel of Christ)
In John 6, Jesus says, whoever eats this food will
never hunger, never thirst, Never die, but has eternal life. And thus will live forever. Be assured they will be raised on the last day, and will live as long as he lives. He separates who will get this, from who will not by these statements.
1. he who believes, He who eats this bread, He who eats his flesh and blood. will get it
2. he who does not believe, will not get it.
Do you agree so far?
In one aspect. You are right, Like the lords supper or communion shows. It is the death of Christ (flesh and blood) which saves us, And like the passover, God has freed us from slavery, and made us free. If this is what you are saying, I agree 100 %
I am just arguing another way
The roman catholic church says this is the lords supper, and we must eat it over and over and over, Taking it out of context, and destroying what God says.
Other churches take this to mean the Lords supper. So of course, since this symbolically represents the lords supper. Then the things Jesus promised (never die, never hunger and thirst, live forever, eternal life etc etc) should not be taken literally either. Because one can lose salvation, contrary to what jesus said in John 6. so we should not take him literally to mean these things.
So my point. Since SO many FALSELY try to make this equal to the lords supper, and in doing so destroy the meaning of what jesus said. would it not be better to take it in context.
don;t look for physical food which dies, and you have to eat over and over, But look for the spiritual food which will endure forever, which I will give you. That is the context.
so do you disagree with anything I have said? or am I still being irresponsible? I do not know which form you take (eucharist, lords supper meaning all those things are symbolic, or literal) or like I said above, that through the flesh and blood of Christ ONLY we are given eternal life, which will NEVER fade away.
So this is why I responded.
Now, Instead of judging me, Why don't you try to figure out what I am saying.
John 6 is about people who are looking for a hand out, Not for what matters (the gospel of Christ)
In John 6, Jesus says, whoever eats this food will
never hunger, never thirst, Never die, but has eternal life. And thus will live forever. Be assured they will be raised on the last day, and will live as long as he lives. He separates who will get this, from who will not by these statements.
1. he who believes, He who eats this bread, He who eats his flesh and blood. will get it
2. he who does not believe, will not get it.
Do you agree so far?
In one aspect. You are right, Like the lords supper or communion shows. It is the death of Christ (flesh and blood) which saves us, And like the passover, God has freed us from slavery, and made us free. If this is what you are saying, I agree 100 %
I am just arguing another way
The roman catholic church says this is the lords supper, and we must eat it over and over and over, Taking it out of context, and destroying what God says.
Other churches take this to mean the Lords supper. So of course, since this symbolically represents the lords supper. Then the things Jesus promised (never die, never hunger and thirst, live forever, eternal life etc etc) should not be taken literally either. Because one can lose salvation, contrary to what jesus said in John 6. so we should not take him literally to mean these things.
So my point. Since SO many FALSELY try to make this equal to the lords supper, and in doing so destroy the meaning of what jesus said. would it not be better to take it in context.
don;t look for physical food which dies, and you have to eat over and over, But look for the spiritual food which will endure forever, which I will give you. That is the context.
so do you disagree with anything I have said? or am I still being irresponsible? I do not know which form you take (eucharist, lords supper meaning all those things are symbolic, or literal) or like I said above, that through the flesh and blood of Christ ONLY we are given eternal life, which will NEVER fade away.
So this is why I responded.
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why would it not be? it is the same.
jesus said in John the gospel. To a religious righteous man in John 3 he said ye must be born again, Whoever believes will never die but has eternal life.
In john 4 he told the sinner, Ask and you will recieve living water swelling up to eternal life (never thirst, because the water never stops flowing
And in John 6 he says whoever believes in him will never die, never hunger or thirst, live forever, and has eternal life.
Have you looked at my thread on John 6 and eternal life? it is all in there. I bumped it and brought it up front if you would like to read it. i think you will see we are on the same page (I hope)
jesus said in John the gospel. To a religious righteous man in John 3 he said ye must be born again, Whoever believes will never die but has eternal life.
In john 4 he told the sinner, Ask and you will recieve living water swelling up to eternal life (never thirst, because the water never stops flowing
And in John 6 he says whoever believes in him will never die, never hunger or thirst, live forever, and has eternal life.
Have you looked at my thread on John 6 and eternal life? it is all in there. I bumped it and brought it up front if you would like to read it. i think you will see we are on the same page (I hope)
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My Bad.... Eternal.... You seem to be trying to pour the contents of this entire thread into this one discussion. My original post was about the context of John 6 "teaching" being just prior to Passover alluding to its significance. YOU responded by saying that wasn't the case and when I showed you it was... you dismissed it as being unrelated.
I find it odd that we seem to be having an argument about context... where as I was saying yours was too limited and needed a broader look... yet between you and I... your positition seems to be the context of the entire thread. All I was trying to do was "feed" the reader something delicious to prompt the hunger for more... at least 2 others noticed and approved... yet you keep pushing away the platter. I am sorry you find the service so poor, I am not a competitive person and have no desire to spar with you... I thought perhaps you or another reader might be encouraged and find the meat had new savor.
I find it odd that we seem to be having an argument about context... where as I was saying yours was too limited and needed a broader look... yet between you and I... your positition seems to be the context of the entire thread. All I was trying to do was "feed" the reader something delicious to prompt the hunger for more... at least 2 others noticed and approved... yet you keep pushing away the platter. I am sorry you find the service so poor, I am not a competitive person and have no desire to spar with you... I thought perhaps you or another reader might be encouraged and find the meat had new savor.
I think all this can be summed up as this: ENJOY CHRIST! Christ is our enjoyment and life's sustenance.
What does eating and drinking a picture of? 2 things:
1. enjoyment- When we eat, we enjoy the food, how it tastes, the texture, and how it satisfies our hunger.
2. nourishment- As our food digests, it breaks down and provides the nourishment for life and growth of our body. The food we eat becomes a part of our body.
Most of us know when Jesus said for us to eat and drink Him, He wasn't talking in a literal sense. Are we to get our daily delivery of vacuumed pack Christ steaks from Swanson foods? This is Christs' allegory to those who want to receive Jesus as eternal life and how to live in it. It's not a simple mere belief and then on we go on our way (a spurious faith). As our bodies need food and drink everyday, so does our spirit/mind/heart need Christ everyday to be conformed into His image and to live a godly lifestyle pleasing to God (which happens over time, as a baby starts off with milk, then to baby food, then to real food). It seems to me and I may be wrong in my judgment, but Christians (including myself) in most communities (including this one) seem to forget this. The enjoyment of Christ and of each other should be right up there with other biblical doctrines such endurance, perseverance, obedience, and diligence (and all the other orthodox doctrines). Jesus=Bread of Life=The Word=The Spirit=Our portion=Our Sharing=Our joy.
The Bible speaks of many passages of eating and enjoying.
Some Scriptures to consider:
The Lord the Shepherd of His People
A Psalm of David.
23 The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
2He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
3He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will dwell in the house of the Lord
Forever.
Luke 7:34 -
34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’
Revelations 3:20 -
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
Psalms 119:57
57 You are my portion, O Lord;
I have said that I would keep Your words.
Psalms 119:103
103How sweet are Your words to my taste,
Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Jeremiah 15:16
16 Your words were found, and I ate them,
And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart;
For I am called by Your name,
O Lord God of hosts.
Ezekiel 3:3
3 And He said to me, “Son of man, feed your belly, and fill your stomach with this scroll that I give you.” So I ate, and it was in my mouth like honey in sweetness.
I wanted to through in Revelation 10:9-10 but this passage also portrays a taste of bitterness in John's stomach which has a different meaning in which jumps outside the point I'm trying to make. Which is, ARE YOU ENJOYING CHRIST by the eating and drinking of His Word in reading, meditation, reflection, praise and in prayer?
What does eating and drinking a picture of? 2 things:
1. enjoyment- When we eat, we enjoy the food, how it tastes, the texture, and how it satisfies our hunger.
2. nourishment- As our food digests, it breaks down and provides the nourishment for life and growth of our body. The food we eat becomes a part of our body.
Most of us know when Jesus said for us to eat and drink Him, He wasn't talking in a literal sense. Are we to get our daily delivery of vacuumed pack Christ steaks from Swanson foods? This is Christs' allegory to those who want to receive Jesus as eternal life and how to live in it. It's not a simple mere belief and then on we go on our way (a spurious faith). As our bodies need food and drink everyday, so does our spirit/mind/heart need Christ everyday to be conformed into His image and to live a godly lifestyle pleasing to God (which happens over time, as a baby starts off with milk, then to baby food, then to real food). It seems to me and I may be wrong in my judgment, but Christians (including myself) in most communities (including this one) seem to forget this. The enjoyment of Christ and of each other should be right up there with other biblical doctrines such endurance, perseverance, obedience, and diligence (and all the other orthodox doctrines). Jesus=Bread of Life=The Word=The Spirit=Our portion=Our Sharing=Our joy.
The Bible speaks of many passages of eating and enjoying.
Some Scriptures to consider:
The Lord the Shepherd of His People
A Psalm of David.
23 The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
2He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
3He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will dwell in the house of the Lord
Forever.
Luke 7:34 -
34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’
Revelations 3:20 -
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
Psalms 119:57
57 You are my portion, O Lord;
I have said that I would keep Your words.
Psalms 119:103
103How sweet are Your words to my taste,
Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Jeremiah 15:16
16 Your words were found, and I ate them,
And Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart;
For I am called by Your name,
O Lord God of hosts.
Ezekiel 3:3
3 And He said to me, “Son of man, feed your belly, and fill your stomach with this scroll that I give you.” So I ate, and it was in my mouth like honey in sweetness.
I wanted to through in Revelation 10:9-10 but this passage also portrays a taste of bitterness in John's stomach which has a different meaning in which jumps outside the point I'm trying to make. Which is, ARE YOU ENJOYING CHRIST by the eating and drinking of His Word in reading, meditation, reflection, praise and in prayer?
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Bookends, I was just talking to my kiddos about this today.
(some of them I gave birth to, and some I didn't
)
We wouldn't run up and down the aisles of the bus we are traveling on
to get where we need to be, right? (how pointlessly exhausting)
We're on the bus, people!
The Driver will get us where we need to be!
Sit back. Relax! Have a feast.
Just behold Him.
Best way to become like Him. ♥
-ellie
(some of them I gave birth to, and some I didn't
)We wouldn't run up and down the aisles of the bus we are traveling on
to get where we need to be, right? (how pointlessly exhausting)
We're on the bus, people!
The Driver will get us where we need to be!
Sit back. Relax! Have a feast.
Just behold Him.
Best way to become like Him. ♥
-ellie
Do you
honestly believe this to be so?
honestly believe this to be so?
Of course Love elaborates the 10 Commandments of Yahvah God.
The fundamental did not change the Spirit brings them to life through Love and Gratitude.
Matthew 27
Behind the veil there was the Ark of the Covenant containing the 10 Commandments which is what would be written on our hearts through Faith in Yahshua the Messiah.
Being Graciously Forgiven for disobedience the Holy Spirit is given to make us Obedient.
The fundamental 10 Commandments never changed.