Eli, Eli, lama Sabachthani?

pottersclay · Feb 18, 2016

In the 9th hour of what is describe as one of the most horrific executions of all time our Lord cried out those words.
Matt 27:46
Misunderstood by some at the event they thought he called for the prophet Elijah.

What was the meaning of the outburst? Could our Lord had been directing those who knew scripture to what we know as the 22 psalm as a attempt to show the fulfillment of prophecy?

Was it a attempt to offer up prayer to God in front of his accusers as written in Hebrews 5: 7-10.

Could it have been the man Jesus in total undeniable agony expressing the what seemed to be endless pain and torture with no relief?

I would like a weigh in on this as I would want to expand and expound thoughts on the crucifixion.

Now Jesus being the word of God knew his father could not look upon him for he was sin, so if you choose this reason why did he cry out loud? He knew all things and the statement is posed as a question in Matthew.

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 18, 2016

I had always wondered in respects to noon here

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

And that hour (called the sixth hour) being come and then what followed at the cross

Mar 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

Even as a land is darkened through wrath

Isaiah 9:19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened

And what Jesus cried

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

And right here when it speaks of hiding his face in a little wrath likewise

Isaiah 54:7-8 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

Because his face can be hid from a nation (altogether) or a man only

Job 34:29 When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:

crossnote · Feb 18, 2016

Our Lord knew Scripture inside out and was fulfilling a prophecy in Ps 22...

1 My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?Why are You so far from my deliveranceand from my words of groaning?,

Lost_sheep · Feb 18, 2016

I read in a couple different places, depending on the source, that Christ fulfilled somewhere between 353 and 365 Messianic prophecies in the OT. The odds of one single individual fulfilling just EIGHT of those is in excess of 1x10^17 to 1 (100,000,000,000,000,000:1 - if you put silver dollars two foot deep all over every square inch of Texas and blindfolded a person and threw a single marked dollar coin in the pile, the odds of that man picking the marked dollar on the first try are the same).

Long way of my saying, I think Jesus was fulfilling another prophecy. His words and Psalm 22 aren't a coincidence.

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 18, 2016

I have this written up in various ways (this isn't the last) but in an attempt to cross check through everything here is another way (which is off my other post) or just another way of running it to catch these things if I could.

Following through in this way but removing the quote from Elihu in Job 34:39 from the bottom of the first one and following through into the next verse after Isaiah 54:7-8 bringing in Isaiah 54:9 and trying to catch how the apostles might bring that in.

So again, noon is the sixth hour

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

This would appear to come at the same time noted here (to the hour) and the darkening.

Mar 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

So we have a darkened earth at noon (or the sixth hour) that had come, and the darkening of the land is through wrath

Isaiah 9:19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened

As the sixth hour moves into the ninth (in this darkness) Jesus cries a cry of forsakeness in the form of a question

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

If looking for a reason, even through the lense of wrath (which pertains to a darkened earth and the hiding of his face) as Elihu pointed out this continues in that accord saying,

Isaiah 54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

And again (next verse)

Isaiah 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

The next verse (I just added in) which falls behind the other two which says,

Isaiah 54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

So the waters of Noah are brought in behind that picture, and we see the same spoken of by Peter

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (look at the verses prior to this one also)

God having set him forth in such a way (speaking of the cross here)

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God .

And in respects to ourselves in that comparision of baptism (shown in Noah) shown behind those verses that speak to the hiding of his face (even in such a way as Elihu speaks of it in Job 34:39) Paul also says,

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

So it seems to link together in same figures used

DP · Feb 18, 2016

pottersclay said:

In the 9th hour of what is describe as one of the most horrific executions of all time our Lord cried out those words.
Matt 27:46
Misunderstood by some at the event they thought he called for the prophet Elijah.

What was the meaning of the outburst? Could our Lord had been directing those who knew scripture to what we know as the 22 psalm as a attempt to show the fulfillment of prophecy?

Was it a attempt to offer up prayer to God in front of his accusers as written in Hebrews 5: 7-10.

Could it have been the man Jesus in total undeniable agony expressing the what seemed to be endless pain and torture with no relief?

I would like a weigh in on this as I would want to expand and expound thoughts on the crucifixion.

Now Jesus being the word of God knew his father could not look upon him for he was sin, so if you choose this reason why did he cry out loud? He knew all things and the statement is posed as a question in Matthew.

It shows that our Lord Jesus, even on His cross, was still teaching us.

Grace777x70 · Feb 18, 2016

My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"

I believe the Lord was taking on Himself as the Son of Man how we view God when sin is on us. Sin distorts our view of the true nature of God. Just like when Adam hid in the garden even though God was coming to be with him.

This was the first time Jesus addressed His Father as "My God" like we humans do. Jesus did just before He died call Him Father again...just some random thoughts on the subject.

wwjd_kilden · Feb 18, 2016

He took our sin upon himself
sin separates from God
I think Jesus, in that one moment of his life, experienced being separated from his Father

Grandpa · Feb 18, 2016

A lot of people think that God couldn't look on the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross because of taking the sin of the world.

But it was Gods Own will that the Lord Jesus should do so.

The common thought is that God HAS to run away from sin because He can't stand it. That's not the case. God hides His Face from those that regard iniquity in their heart so they don't die. Not because God is afraid or can't look upon them.

Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani? The Lord Jesus Christ was saying and showing that He would never leave us nor forsake us.

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 18, 2016

I think it is simple.

All the pain and suffering that man tried to put on him.. He did not cry out once.

Yet in one moment of time, Your sin, my sin, and the sin of the human race was put on him. It was my sin that caused him to cry out (the greek infers he screamed in agony) because of my sin, and because of my sin, Jesus suffered spiritual death in my place..

crossnote · Feb 18, 2016

Tis mystery all! The Immortal dies!
Who can explore His strange design?
In vain the firstborn seraph tries
To sound the depths of love Divine!
’Tis mercy all! let earth adore,
Let angel minds inquire no more.
’Tis mercy all! let earth adore,
Let angel minds inquire no more.

Hymn: And Can it Be (2nd stanza)

Willie-T · Feb 18, 2016

wwjd_kilden said:

He likely did "perceive" separation, but the whole point of Him quoting the beginning of Psalm 22 was to show us (and those around the cross) that He had not been abandoned. (It takes reading all of Psalm 22 to see this.)

Grandpa · Feb 18, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

My God, My God, Why have You forsaken me? The only way for those to be words of LIFE is if they were never true.

Kind of like that poem "Footprints". Where the guy thought God had forsaken him but finds out it was never so...

Because if God could/would forsake His Own Son then we are goners. With no hope. I don't believe that and I know you don't either.

It wasn't sin that caused the Lord Jesus Christ to cry out while He was in agony. It was Love.

Grandpa · Feb 18, 2016

Wow. Profound and amazing.

When God says He will Never Leave us nor Forsake us He REALLY means it.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 18, 2016

Isaiah 53(KJV) "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

eternally-gratefull · Feb 18, 2016

Grandpa said:

see, I have a major problem with this.

The penalty of sin is death (spiritual not physical)

Scripture tells me that Jesus paid THAT debt in my place. Jesus also said it is finished (literally paid in full) before he died physically.

So if jesus did not die spiritually. The payment of redemption has not yet been paid and I am still in my sin. And I am still dead

eternally-gratefull · Feb 18, 2016

Grandpa said:

He will never leave us nor forsake us because Jesus paid the debt in full (it is finished)

If Jesus has not paid that debt, then we have more to worry about then God forsaking us, He has not even adopted us, we are still dead in sin.

pottersclay · Feb 18, 2016

Yes indeed grampa....these words should open up a whole new study to those who seek him.
Jesus himself said I will never forsake or leave you....Could he do something God could not?

In the 9th hr you have a man (our Lord) ...accursed...a abomination...full of sin.....but yet God was in full control even after his death.....(not one bone shall be broken).

Let us never forget no matter what we done, no matter how it looks, no matter what is being said, the Lord is in control.

4enlightment · Feb 18, 2016

pottersclay said:

I doesn't believed that Jesus has said that, but I think it was the way Luke the scribe and which scribes were the interpreters. Luke said that He had said, Father into your arms, like it is described in the story about Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham, and which is symbolic for to put our rest in God. But I believed that the Pharisees had told the people so that they will not followed after Him. The Pharisees were doing a lot of plotting to discredit Jesus. The people did not know how to speak that language of their ancestors but only the King of the Jews was supposed to be the one to keep everything the way it was in the old covenant.

PilgrimPassingThru · Feb 18, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Amen, the highlighted part in the above reminds me a little of here as well

John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say?
Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

He made him to be sin for us (laying the iniquities of us all upon him)

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Cor 1:30-31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus,
who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption;
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

There are so many wonderful things sitting there which show the cross of Christ throughout, I am grateful for threads that chose to maginify bringing out those particular places and setting forth Jesus Christ in those ways.

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