End times

[Adstar]

You are correct. And one day, you won't be able to say that. Once the resurrection and the living are changed and caught up, then it will have taken place. As the Lord said, "I will come like a thief in the night" which infers imminency. It won't happen until it it happens. And once it does, this world will become a different place because the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way allowing the antichrist and the full force of sin to be revealed.

Always be watching and looking forward to the blessed hope, the appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

I am right.. Because i believe what scripture says:

1 Thessalonians 5: KJV
2 "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. {3} For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. {4} But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."


You need to read scriptures in context Ahwatukee.. If you did that then you would never have used the thief in the night reference because you would know that Christian brethren will not be surprised at the coming of Jesus because they are in the light and not children in darkness. They know the signs of his coming so for Christians it will not be a surprise.. Thats why Jesus said::

Luke 21: KJV
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

I encourage people to read the Chapter in context so that they will know the signs to be looking for... Christians shall know the times...

 

[MarcR]

If the they should not be ignored and I agree we should never ignore the Scripture, what shall we do? If the end is nearer than we think, as Scripture as says to us.... What should we do... Are we warned for a reason or for just fun post on a Christian chat site? What is the practical application?

Two things:

I think we should have a sense of urgency about sharing our faith.

I think we should set God's word above the values and expectations of our culture and begin relating to each other with a love we can be recognized for; so that the World around us will truly know that we are His disciples by our love 1 for another.

John 13:35
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
KJV

 

[Joseppi]

Warning saints to watch and pray is a command to know the signs of the times of Christ’s return.
It seems to me that Jesus is warning saints not to think as by use of a calendar but to instead, observe the signs and understand the use of them.

 

[SpoonJuly]

It is impossible to teach people like you, even when providing scripture. Therefore, believe as you will.

And it is impossible for one to teach the truth who does not know the truth, and your teaching lacks truth and understanding.
You have closed your mind to anyone who will try to point out the error of your personal interpretation, slanting, and spinning of Scripture to support what you believe.

As I said to you once before, I will leave you to your folly.

 

[stillness]

I posted this example of the meaning of Jesus coming as a thief yesterday, today came across a woman's encounter with the Lord. She saw that He removed His hand of protection from Americans and was coming in judgment. She was moved to Pray interceding on behalf of them. Many Christians are seeing these things, but many more ignoring the warnings to Pray, because of hardness of heart. Another woman's account of seeing the Lord coming in judgment was ridiculed by many here last month. This video touched me more with the need to intercede, to spare the ones who are not hardened and our own lives as we pray. Much like in the example of Abigail, her household was spared except for the unprofitable servant who died of hardness of heart. Here is the link to the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owNG14bQsME

There is a parable of David coming as a thief, a parable because of hidden meaning about Jesus coming as a thief. David asked Nabal for help. "For as much as you did it not to the least of these my brethren you did it not to me." David and his army go to invade Nabals house (This is where we are presently, the Lord is coming as a thief to judge the earth), but the Bride intercedes, and after Nabal died she is married with David. Jesus comes as a thief when the hardness of heart, refusal from the foolish is full. Much Like the sin of Sodom "Pride and fullness of bread and abundance. of idleness and refusal to stretch out your hand to the poor." Still doesn't help to know when He comes as a thief except a time when people are refusing to acknowledge God and they will die in their hardness of heart finding out

 

[stillness]

The Link I just posted turned out to be incorrect, though it leads to an end time video from David Wilkerson.

The name of the video is: Warning from God Americans hate Me!
Cut and paste on Google.

 

[PlainWord]

OMG, you guys have some serious issues with your thinking concerning the End Times, Israel, the Antichrist, etc. It would really be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. News flash - FYI!!!

The "antichrist" was Nero. He was slaughtering Christians in the worst ways imaginable. Oh, and his name in Hebrew totals, 666. St. Irenaeus pretty much identifies him as the one John was speaking of but at the time during the reign of Domitian, John still would not divulge his name even though he know. Does any rationale person really think John was writing his very specific warnings of event which would come quickly to us? He wrote to 7 specific 1st century churches. What would they be expected to do with information that needed 2,000 years to become relevant? This would be like someone writing us about events to happen in the year 4,018. Would we even care what was to happen that far away?

 

[Adstar]

OMG, you guys have some serious issues with your thinking concerning the End Times, Israel, the Antichrist, etc. It would really be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. News flash - FYI!!!

The "antichrist" was Nero. He was slaughtering Christians in the worst ways imaginable. Oh, and his name in Hebrew totals, 666. St. Irenaeus pretty much identifies him as the one John was speaking of but at the time during the reign of Domitian, John still would not divulge his name even though he know. Does any rationale person really think John was writing his very specific warnings of event which would come quickly to us? He wrote to 7 specific 1st century churches. What would they be expected to do with information that needed 2,000 years to become relevant? This would be like someone writing us about events to happen in the year 4,018. Would we even care what was to happen that far away?

Wow are you in for some surprises in the future... preterism is delusion.. Nero was not the anti-christ.. I find it incredible that people still hold the position that the prophecies in the Book of Revelation where all fulfilled in the first century... Astounding that anyone could hold such a position these days..

So yeah we are even more astounded with you PlainWord ...

 

[RickyZ]

I personally think both positions are correct.

The Messiah was offered to the Jews. They rejected Him, and paid the price for it in 70 ad.

The God offered the Christ to the world. The world is rejecting Him, and will pay the price for it in the years to come.

God's word is eternal. One manifestation does not render it moot.

 

[Locutus]

It's the dispensationalists that are promoting a delusion - a-milllennialism has been the major position of the church through the centuries which is basically preterism.

The "modern" mind since Darby has been in love with speculation and conspiracy seeking to uncover the mysteries of the book of revelation that John at beginning and end stated the things which must shortly come to pass.

 

[mcubed]

OMG, you guys have some serious issues with your thinking concerning the End Times, Israel, the Antichrist, etc. It would really be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. News flash - FYI!!!

The "antichrist" was Nero. He was slaughtering Christians in the worst ways imaginable. Oh, and his name in Hebrew totals, 666. St. Irenaeus pretty much identifies him as the one John was speaking of but at the time during the reign of Domitian, John still would not divulge his name even though he know. Does any rationale person really think John was writing his very specific warnings of event which would come quickly to us? He wrote to 7 specific 1st century churches. What would they be expected to do with information that needed 2,000 years to become relevant? This would be like someone writing us about events to happen in the year 4,018. Would we even care what was to happen that far away?

Just so I am clear, from what you wrote/typed rally, "end times" (for lack of a better term) has nothing to do with the return of Messiah? Is that "called" something else? Or are you saying He has returned?

 

[Nehemiah6]

... John at beginning and end stated the things which must shortly come to pass.

Here is what John wrote Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter. (Rev 1:19)

So there are three clauses here:

1. the things which thou hast seen (all the visions in this book)

2. and the things which are (that which is at present) -- the first 3 chapters (and which shortly came to pass)

3. and the things which shall be hereafter (that which will be in the future) -- the last 19 chapters

Now this is where some people stumble. How far into the future? Since the Church is still on earth, and the New Heavens and the New Earth are in the distant future, Christians have no option except to believe that the bulk of Revelation is yet to be fulfilled.

But what of these statements?

Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. (Rev 22:7)

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Rev 22:12)

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Rev 22:20)

Since these assurances are addressed to Christians (believers) they are a reference to the Rapture and its imminency. Christ could have come for His saints almost immediately, but He did not. The apostles and early Christians believed He could come at any time, but God has allowed "about two days" (according to God's reckoning) to elapse.

 

[PlainWord]

Wow are you in for some surprises in the future... preterism is delusion.. Nero was not the anti-christ.. I find it incredible that people still hold the position that the prophecies in the Book of Revelation where all fulfilled in the first century... Astounding that anyone could hold such a position these days..

So yeah we are even more astounded with you PlainWord ...

LOL. I suggest you read Josephus and compare it to Mat 24. You will find everything fulfilled. BTW, Christ's presence (Parousia) did indeed return in 70 AD. This return of His was just as He said it would be. I further suggest you stop listening to all this tribulation nonsense too. The great tribulation pertained to 1st century Israel and Jerusalem. Why do you suppose only those in Judea were told to flee? Coffee is on, have some on me.

 

[PlainWord]

Just so I am clear, from what you wrote/typed rally, "end times" (for lack of a better term) has nothing to do with the return of Messiah? Is that "called" something else? Or are you saying He has returned?

His presence (Parousia) returned. Indeed it did and it was recorded by Josephus. To understand this, one must first understand the nature of when the presence of the Almighty is on the scene which it indeed was in 70 AD. The key to this understanding it to study the OT events where God the Father's presence came to destroy other bad nations. The "Day of the Lord" was not, and is not, a singular future event. We have at least 5 of them recorded in the Bible (against Egypt Jer 46, against Edom, Isa 34, against Babylon Jer 51), and twice against Israel both times leading to their destruction and desolation.

Christ's presence return was exactly as God's presence when He came several times in the OT. The Divine came behind a very dark "glory cloud." Nobody in the physical realm can glaze upon the brightness of the Almighty God (or Christ). Christ said repeatedly that He was going to return to THAT "faithless and perverse" generation to punish them. They were punished the way God always punished wicked nations (Egypt, Edom, Babylon and Israel) and that was by using a foreign power to obliterate them. This is exactly what He did to Israel in 70 AD using Roman forces to do it.

Every single item Jesus lists in the "beginning of sorrows" Josephus records leading up to the "great tribulation" and "abomination of desolation" in Mt 24. The GT was the Roman siege of Jerusalem. The Christians there indeed were given divine instructions to flee over the mountains. Google, "Christian flight to Pella" and read about it. Conditions inside Jerusalem were the worst ever recorded in human history, the worst ever to befall a nation.

It's all done folks. Sorry.

 

[Locutus]

Don't spoil it for 'em PL, they are all looking forward to the wrath being poured out while they escape.

 

[CS1]

We are to live our life as if the Lord is returning today, yet have the patience of a 1000 years. If we remember today, is the day of salvation and tomorrow is promise to no one. We are approaching from truth and reality. If we are in a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, we should be about HIS work.. Everyday. If we are not then
Self-examination is needed, Judge yourself, and see if you are in the faith 2cor 13:5

 

[RickyZ]

His presence (Parousia) returned. Indeed it did and it was recorded by Josephus. To understand this, one must first understand the nature of when the presence of the Almighty is on the scene which it indeed was in 70 AD. The key to this understanding it to study the OT events where God the Father's presence came to destroy other bad nations. The "Day of the Lord" was not, and is not, a singular future event. We have at least 5 of them recorded in the Bible (against Egypt Jer 46, against Edom, Isa 34, against Babylon Jer 51), and twice against Israel both times leading to their destruction and desolation.

Christ's presence return was exactly as God's presence when He came several times in the OT. The Divine came behind a very dark "glory cloud." Nobody in the physical realm can glaze upon the brightness of the Almighty God (or Christ). Christ said repeatedly that He was going to return to THAT "faithless and perverse" generation to punish them. They were punished the way God always punished wicked nations (Egypt, Edom, Babylon and Israel) and that was by using a foreign power to obliterate them. This is exactly what He did to Israel in 70 AD using Roman forces to do it.

Every single item Jesus lists in the "beginning of sorrows" Josephus records leading up to the "great tribulation" and "abomination of desolation" in Mt 24. The GT was the Roman siege of Jerusalem. The Christians there indeed were given divine instructions to flee over the mountains. Google, "Christian flight to Pella" and read about it. Conditions inside Jerusalem were the worst ever recorded in human history, the worst ever to befall a nation.

It's all done folks. Sorry.

And thus we have the MRV!

 

[abcdef]

His presence (Parousia) returned. Indeed it did and it was recorded by Josephus. To understand this, one must first understand the nature of when the presence of the Almighty is on the scene which it indeed was in 70 AD. The key to this understanding it to study the OT events where God the Father's presence came to destroy other bad nations. The "Day of the Lord" was not, and is not, a singular future event. We have at least 5 of them recorded in the Bible (against Egypt Jer 46, against Edom, Isa 34, against Babylon Jer 51), and twice against Israel both times leading to their destruction and desolation.

Christ's presence return was exactly as God's presence when He came several times in the OT. The Divine came behind a very dark "glory cloud." Nobody in the physical realm can glaze upon the brightness of the Almighty God (or Christ). Christ said repeatedly that He was going to return to THAT "faithless and perverse" generation to punish them. They were punished the way God always punished wicked nations (Egypt, Edom, Babylon and Israel) and that was by using a foreign power to obliterate them. This is exactly what He did to Israel in 70 AD using Roman forces to do it.

Every single item Jesus lists in the "beginning of sorrows" Josephus records leading up to the "great tribulation" and "abomination of desolation" in Mt 24. The GT was the Roman siege of Jerusalem. The Christians there indeed were given divine instructions to flee over the mountains. Google, "Christian flight to Pella" and read about it. Conditions inside Jerusalem were the worst ever recorded in human history, the worst ever to befall a nation.

It's all done folks. Sorry.

Brother PW,

What comes after 70 ad? You keep forgetting that there is prophecy to be fulfilled.

I agree with most of your assessments, but you have fallen into the "everything fulfilled by 70 ad" illusion, which is EASILY proven false.

Gen 1:28, For one example, the earth was not subdued by 70 ad..

Gen 8:22, "While the earth remaineth", The earth still remains and the things mentioned are still present, after 70 ad.

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While the AoD positively did happen, and Jesus came in His presence at the fall of Jerusalem,

There was NO resurrection at that time. Christians in those times were recorded as looking for the resurrection still after 70 ad.. As the scriptures were silenced and the letters were not assembled yet, the souls at that time had little information about the resurrection like we do today. Only since the printing press has the information begun to become available to the common soul.

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Jesus did not leave us without the information that we need at this present time. There is NO gap in the prophetic time line. (The iron legs/toes of the statue show NO gap Daniel 2)

The 70 ad time line end theory, also hides the fact that the RCC is the present Caesar/Antichrist, and so does pre-trib.

You see, pre-trib is so excited about the Antichrist being revealed, but at the same time they say that the Vatican is the Antichrist. They agree that the RCC is the Antichrist, but can't admit it, because that would mean that the pre-trib 7 year time line cannot be true, if the Antichrist is the RCC and been here all along (iron legs/toes).

The preterist theory also does the same thing, ending the time line at 70 ad. But the legs/toes don't end in 70 ad either.

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The truth is that the time line continues without a gap long past 70 ad.

Being able to understand the difference between the scriptures about the destruction of Jerusalem coming and the resurrection coming is the key to the understanding.

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Most interpretation theories were acceptable 100's of years ago when they were first developed. But now we are blessed with the light of easy access to the scriptures, for a better understanding.

(No Gaps)

 

[PlainWord]

Don't spoil it for 'em PL, they are all looking forward to the wrath being poured out while they escape.

LOL. I used to live in fear too. Awhile back, when I was still thinking the GT was a future event I read this book which suggested the only safe place to be in the "end times" was Israel. The author took the passage about "fleeing Judea" to mean the rest of the planet would be dead so go to Israel for safety from Planet X. LOL. This is how whacked out some people get. The passage says to flee Judea and if you are not in the country, STAY OUT, yet this knuckle head would have us all go there when that's precisely where the GT took place. Incredible!!

 

[abcdef]

LOL. I used to live in fear too.

When we have great fear, we must turn to have great faith and courage.

Awhile back, when I was still thinking the GT was a future event I read this book which suggested the only safe place to be in the "end times" was Israel. The author took the passage about "fleeing Judea" to mean the rest of the planet would be dead so go to Israel for safety from Planet X. LOL. This is how whacked out some people get. The passage says to flee Judea and if you are not in the country, STAY OUT, yet this knuckle head would have us all go there when that's precisely where the GT took place. Incredible!!

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You are right that most things happened by 70 ad, but not everything.

The reality of the middle east will become clearer as we come closer to the day that Jerusalem will fall. 3 1/2 days later Jesus will come for His kingdom. Then it is the end.

It will become crystal clear when Israel loses at the Battle of Armageddon.

Then it will be plain that all other prophecies have failed and it is the end.

If you and I are still alive, we will need all the faith and courage we can get.

We shall see His face.

The day of the 7th trumpet is fast approaching, it is almost here. And there enemies beheld them.