Eve & the talking Snake

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Mo0448

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She was not talking to a snake: We should all know by now, unless your a new to the faith, that the serpent is one of Satan's names ( Rev 12:9 kjv ) If you don't know this , how can anyone understand any of the figures of speech used in the Bible? The answer is you can't .
Okay Nathan, while I agree that Serpent is one of Satan's names, I disagree that it wasn't a snake. The bible describes the snake or serpent if you will:

Genesis 3:1 'Now the serpent was more subtil than any other beast of the field which the Lord God has made.'
Now was the scriptures talking Satan being that snake? How do you explain then the curse that God put upon the snake? Was that a curse upon the Devil?

I disagree with the 'unless you're new to the faith' comment. I have been living as a Christian (truly embracing and accepting Christ as my Lord and savior at a young age, but fully understanding what that means at about 20-21 years of age) and I am still learning new things everyday. I've read the bible 6 times but I am still learning new things about scripture everyday. I agree with you that there are many figures of speech in the bible but interpretation of said figures of speech is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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nathan3

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Hi Nathan, well she was talking to a snake. God Himself talks to the snake as we can read in Genesis 3:14 'And the Lord God said unto the serpent..'

Ofcourse its true that the real one who was talking to Eve (through the snake) was the Devil. But Eve didnt know that it wasnt really the snake that was talking so she was actually talking to the snake.
Again. Satan was not talking '' through '' a snake. The snake is Satan, its one of his names. It says it Rev 12:9 kjv. It does not say, Satan controls snakes in Rev 12:9 . It does not say, he talks through snakes, it says that snake/serpent, is one of his names. Lets take the Bible at its word, and then we can mature.
 
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Okay Nathan, while I agree that Serpent is one of Satan's names, I disagree that it wasn't a snake. The bible describes the snake or serpent if you will:



Now was the scriptures talking Satan being that snake? How do you explain then the curse that God put upon the snake? Was that a curse upon the Devil?

I disagree with the 'unless you're new to the faith' comment. I have been living as a Christian (truly embracing and accepting Christ as my Lord and savior at a young age, but fully understanding what that means at about 20-21 years of age) and I am still learning new things everyday. I've read the bible 6 times but I am still learning new things about scripture everyday. I agree with you that there are many figures of speech in the bible but interpretation of said figures of speech is in the eye of the beholder.
Sorry but the Bible is not open to personal interpretation And that gos for the book of Genesis . You have read and agree that Satan is called serpent in Rev 12:9. yet, your unwilling to accept it. Because you say. You disagree with that? It is written, your a Christian, i would agree with it.

You said :
""Now was the scriptures talking Satan being that snake? How do you explain then the curse that God put upon the snake? Was that a curse upon the Devil? ""

Bingo . Your getting it already. Allowing the Bible to teach, allows us to mature in God's word. Putting aside the milk so that we can try and digest the meat.
 
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The serpent was inside Eve.
It's that thought process that a person goes through when they consider sinning vs. not sinning, and convince themselves that "it won't hurt anything"
Scapegoating.
Excusing one's self from responsibility.
Blaming one's transgressions on a literal snake or external Satan, instead of taking accountability.
The sin of Judah.

Same thing Judah did when he reasoned that selling Joseph into slavery would somehow free Judah and his brothers from being guilty of the sin of killing Joseph. He reasoned, "well, he's in that pit, he's gonna die anyway now, I can't get my brothers to change their mind, but if I can get them to sell him to somebody else, we'll get a little money and the slavers will be the ones that are responsible for killing him or whatever happens, not us."

Same thing Judas did when he reasoned that the pharisees were so determined to get Jesus, it was just a matter of time anyway, Judas might as well make a little money off of it, and since they're the ones that are actually going to do the killing, Judas "won't be guilty."

The serpent is us on the inside when we excuse our sin before we do it.
Satan is the part of our self that we hate and wish we could cast out. Our adversary. And God is going to cast Him out.
All of the physical stories teach us something about our selves. All the characters are ways we think and behave.

We can never make heads or tails of a literal talking snake. But to keep the one inside us in check, will change hearts.
Repentance and brotherly love, not biblical wisdom, for the win.

The bible says making perfume that smells like dead insects is more valuable than mixing folly with wisdom, like blaming our sin on Eve and a demon possessed talking snake. Folly.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel

Do not the above verses speak differently?
 

NWL

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The serpent was inside Eve.
It's that thought process that a person goes through when they consider sinning vs. not sinning, and convince themselves that "it won't hurt anything"
Scapegoating.
Excusing one's self from responsibility.
Blaming one's transgressions on a literal snake or external Satan, instead of taking accountability.
This is the type of reasoning that True Christians need to avoid, the above reasoning is not Gods thoughts but man's, there is no scriptural basis for such a belief that the serpent was inside Eve.

The Bible makes it quite clear that Satan was the one in control of the Serpent, these are not my thoughts but Gods;

(Revelation 12:9) "...So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth..."

As we can see from the above verse Satan was the original serpent, it wasn't Eve's invisible qualities as enoch1nine wrongly stated. Satan is a real person, he in not an abstract force.

Mo0448, regarding your original question, yes it would of been unusual for any animals to talk, to which wouldv'e been to Eve's shock. However what you need to remember is that Genesis doesn't add all the fine details to its stories, hence you get questions such as your own.

The Bible characterizes Satan’s tactics as “machinations,” or “crafty acts,” and this incident helps to prove the point. What we see in Eden is no fable about a talking animal; it is a chilling example of Satans clever strategy designed to lure people away from God. What I like to think happened during man's fall into sin is this, (please remember this is all speculative).

Satan using his supernatural powers and deceptive thinking patiently waited for Eve, the less experienced of the two humans, to walk past by the tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad which may of been her custom during that certain part of the day. Satan then through the Snake began eating the Fruit of the tree (The snake eating the fruit or even Eve eating the Fruit was not punishable by God, Gods command was that only Adam wasn't to eat off the Tree, hence it was only when Adam ate the fruit that both his and Eve's eyes were opened)

(Genesis 3:6, 7) "...So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it.  Then the eyes of both of them became opened and they began to realize that they were naked. Hence they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves..."

When Eve caught sight of what appeared to be a simple serpent on the tree she would of been shocked, since she herself believed that simply touching the tree would kill her, so when she walked abit closer and not only was the serpent on the Tree but eating its fruits she would of been completely perplexed. This is when Satan cleverness and craftyness shines brightest, he makes the serpent speak. When eve heared this she could of been frightened and shocked, she then might of told the snake it wasn't allowed to eat the fruit with him saying; “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” as we can see from Genesis she replies ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’Then Satan craftily puts the thought in Eve's heart by saying “YOU positively will not die. YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad."

Now think, If Eve was newly created by God, maybe only a couple of months/years old (Created with a Mature adult mind and body of course) with her naivety she might of thought "God has said we can't eat from the tree or we'll Die but yet this snake which is and animal, which can't even talk has eaten it and has become wise and also hasn't died, and telling me I won't die but will become like God knowing Good and Bad" This then led to Eve eating the Fruit, however when she ate the Fruit nothing happened, she didn't die, she wouldv'e suffered no benefit or drawbacks. When nothing happened she then went to Adam and possibly told him everything that happened, that a speechless animal ate the fruit and gained knowledge and didn't die, however with his wisdom and maturity he gave into temptation for his wife, he however wasn't deceived by Satan tricks.

(1 Timothy 2:14) "...Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived..."

This how I think it went down, I might even be correct, but I also might be wrong. We just have to keep remembering that the Bible doesn't always go down into the nitty gritty detail, sometimes it does but at other times it just tells you whats necessary. When you think about it Genesis chapters 1-3 tells the story from the Worlds creation to mans fall, Moses could of wrote a Bible sized description of the worlds creation to mans fall into sin and it still wouldn't of covered everything.

Hope you find this interesting.
 
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nathan3

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This is the type of reasoning that True Christians need to avoid, the above reasoning is not Gods thoughts but man's, there is no scriptural basis for such a belief that the serpent was inside Eve.

The Bible makes it quite clear that Satan was the one in control of the Serpent, these are not my thoughts but Gods;

(Revelation 12:9) "...So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth..."

As we can see from the above verse Satan was the original serpent, it wasn't Eve's invisible qualities as enoch1nine wrongly stated. Satan is a real person, he in not an abstract force.

Mo0448, regarding your original question, yes it would of been unusual for any animals to talk, to which wouldv'e been to Eve's shock. However what you need to remember is that Genesis doesn't add all the fine details to its stories, hence you get questions such as your own.

The Bible characterizes Satan’s tactics as “machinations,” or “crafty acts,” and this incident helps to prove the point. What we see in Eden is no fable about a talking animal; it is a chilling example of Satans clever strategy designed to lure people away from God. What I like to think happened during man's fall into sin is this, (please remember this is all speculative).

Satan using his supernatural powers and deceptive thinking patiently waited for Eve, the less experienced of the two humans, to walk past by the tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad which may of been her custom during that certain part of the day. Satan then through the Snake began eating the Fruit of the tree (The snake eating the fruit or even Eve eating the Fruit was not punishable by God, Gods command was that only Adam wasn't to eat off the Tree, hence it was only when Adam ate the fruit that both his and Eve's eyes were opened)

(Genesis 3:6, 7) "...So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it.  Then the eyes of both of them became opened and they began to realize that they were naked. Hence they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves..."

When Eve caught sight of what appeared to be a simple serpent on the tree she would of been shocked, since she herself believed that simply touching the tree would kill her, so when she walked abit closer and not only was the serpent on the Tree but eating its fruits she would of been completely perplexed. This is when Satan cleverness and craftyness shines brightest, he makes the serpent speak. When eve heared this she could of been frightened and shocked, she then might of told the snake it wasn't allowed to eat the fruit with him saying; “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” as we can see from Genesis she replies ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’Then Satan craftily puts the thought in Eve's heart by saying “YOU positively will not die. YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad."

Now think, If Eve was newly created by God, maybe only a couple of months/years old (Created with a Mature adult mind and body of course) with her naivety she might of thought "God has said we can't eat from the tree or we'll Die but yet this snake which is and animal, which can't even talk has eaten it and has become wise and also hasn't died, and telling me I won't die but will become like God knowing Good and Bad" This then led to Eve eating the Fruit, however when she ate the Fruit nothing happened, she didn't die, she wouldv'e suffered no benefit or drawbacks. When nothing happened she then went to Adam and possibly told him everything that happened, that a speechless animal ate the fruit and gained knowledge and didn't die, however with his wisdom and maturity he gave into temptation for his wife, he however wasn't deceived by Satan tricks.

(1 Timothy 2:14) "...Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived..."

This how I think it went down, I might even be correct, but I also might be wrong. We just have to keep remembering that the Bible doesn't always go down into the nitty gritty detail, sometimes it does but at other times it just tells you whats necessary. When you think about it Genesis chapters 1-3 tells the story from the Worlds creation to mans fall, Moses could of wrote a Bible sized description of the worlds creation to mans fall into sin and it still wouldn't of covered everything.

Hope you find this interesting.
This makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Because, you added a lot of assumption, basically adding things. Without regard to what is actually written there.. And it only adds confusion . Why not stick to what is written ????????
 
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Maybe, the woman was a bit surprise hearing the snake able to talk than other animals. But it's not a big issue for her since they were aware that they were created by a Supernatural God, anything supernatural things can happen at any time.

BTW, the woman was not named after eve during temptation but God called the man and the woman Adam,the same name, read the Bible in KJV(Gen 5:2). It was after the fall she became eve. The man chose this name for her, meaning the mother of all children.

Genesis 5:2
King James Version (KJV)

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
 
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nathan3

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I like How the kjv just says it clearly.


Revelation 12:9


9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Genesis 3


3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Ezekiel 28:

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
 
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Mo0448

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Sorry but the Bible is not open to personal interpretation And that gos for the book of Genesis . You have read and agree that Satan is called serpent in Rev 12:9. yet, your unwilling to accept it. Because you say. You disagree with that? It is written, your a Christian, i would agree with it.

You said :
""Now was the scriptures talking Satan being that snake? How do you explain then the curse that God put upon the snake? Was that a curse upon the Devil? ""

Bingo . Your getting it already. Allowing the Bible to teach, allows us to mature in God's word. Putting aside the milk so that we can try and digest the meat.

How then do you explain "snakes" as in the animal you know the one that slithers just as God's curse states in the scripture? Are you claiming we have made a 'mistake' in identity calling 'snakes' well snakes? While I understand your thought process behind the answer I still say that you're 'interpreting' scripture. You claim the bible is not open to interpretation God said that if Adam ate from the fruit he would most certainly die. He did not 'die' if we look at the word die and see that he in fact did not die we would have to 'interpret' that its not dying as we know it but a death to God. Everything is not written literally in the bible there are many dangers to taking it word for word as it is written you know that.
 
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nathan3

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2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as theserpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Word study here:

beguiled - Greek it was taken from means :


exapataw
exapatao
ex-ap-at-ah'-o


from ek - ek 1537 and apataw - apatao 538; to seduce wholly:--beguile, deceive.
 
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nathan3

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How then do you explain "snakes" as in the animal you know the one that slithers just as God's curse states in the scripture? Are you claiming we have made a 'mistake' in identity calling 'snakes' well snakes? While I understand your thought process behind the answer I still say that you're 'interpreting' scripture. You claim the bible is not open to interpretation God said that if Adam ate from the fruit he would most certainly die. He did not 'die' if we look at the word die and see that he in fact did not die we would have to 'interpret' that its not dying as we know it but a death to God. Everything is not written literally in the bible there are many dangers to taking it word for word as it is written you know that.
Hey, If you want to continue on believing that God talked to a literal snake, that's your choice. But it will be in direct disregard for what is plainly written in the Bible, and some scripture I posted about the figure, of speech .. Again as I posted already, The Bible shows us, if you choice to listen to God's words that is, that the snake is just another name for Satan, that supernatural cherub.
 
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enoch1nine

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Genesis 3:1 'Now the serpent was more subtil than any other beast of the field which the Lord God has made.'
So the serpent is a beast of the field, like the other beasts of the field: not something inside Eve.
The field is inside you too. It's where your works really occur, and where you really experience your harvest, or the lack thereof.

And so, if you can learn something from the symbolism of a serpent, hasn't that serpent in effect, spoken?
And if you can learn something from the symbolism of a rock in a field, isn't that rock crying out?

11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

12For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
13Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.


Thorns and briars are things you don't want to think about, and places in your heart that you don't want to go.
 
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nathan3

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The field is inside you too. It's where your works really occur, and where you really experience your harvest.

And so, if you can learn something from the symbolism of a serpent, hasn't that serpent in effect, spoken?
And if you can learn something from the symbolism of a rock in a field, isn't that rock crying out?

11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

12For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
13Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.


Thorns and briars are things you don't want to think about, and places in your heart that you don't want to go.
Where is it written, that the field is inside you? Like I said, the bible is not open for personal interpretation or religious traditions or urban myth.

Isn't it easier to stay true to what is written ? Why guess at things ???
 
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enoch1nine

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Where is it written, that the field is inside you?
It's all inside. And it's all around too.
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29 [/SUP]Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding;
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And, lo, it was all grown over with thorns, and nettles had covered the face thereof, and the stone wall thereof was broken down.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then I saw, and considered it well: I looked upon it, and received instruction.

Jesus explained very precisely that the seed is the "word".
Where is a word "sown" in a person?
 

Mo0448

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Hey, If you want to continue on believing that God talked to a literal snake, that's your choice. But it will be in direct disregard for what is plainly written in the Bible, and some scripture I posted about the figure, of speech .. Again as I posted already, The Bible shows us, if you choice to listen to God's words that is, that the snake is just another name for Satan, that supernatural cherub.
You didn't answer my question though. You just restated your argument. I'll try again

How then do you explain "snakes" as in the animal you know the one that slithers just as God's curse states in the scripture? Are you claiming we have made a 'mistake' in identity calling 'snakes' well snakes? While I understand your thought process behind the answer I still say that you're 'interpreting' scripture. You claim the bible is not open to interpretation God said that if Adam ate from the fruit he would most certainly die. He did not 'die' if we look at the word die and see that he in fact did not die we would have to 'interpret' that its not dying as we know it but a death to God. Everything is not written literally in the bible there are many dangers to taking it word for word as it is written you know that.
What is the thing that slithers on the ground is that not a snake? A serpent? I never said that Satan 'possessed' a snake but instead took the form of one. It still raises the question how did the woman not consider hey this is a talking snake unless perhaps talking animals was a norm. Or what about the 'die if you eat the fruit'. While I agree with you to an extent Nathan. There are many dangers to literal translation of the bible IE Acts 15:29 "That ye abstain...from blood..." Few Christian groups take this as a means to not seek blood transfusions or anything that comes from blood. Where they would rather allow their children or themselves to die instead of 'breaking' God's laws. There are implications to taking things all things literally. Do we stone people caught in adultery? Jesus actually saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. Was he breaking the literal law of the bible? Do you see how it is not so black and white dude? I don't mean to push the issue I just want to point it out that there are alot of implications to literal. How do we know what is or is not to be taken literally. The Holy Spirit provides the discernment :)
 
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You didn't answer my question though. You just restated your argument. I'll try again



1....What is the thing that slithers on the ground is that not a snake? A serpent? I never said that Satan 'possessed' a snake but

instead took the form of one.




2.....It still raises the question how did the woman not consider hey this is a talking snake unless perhaps talking animals was a norm.





3 ....Or what about the 'die if you eat the fruit'. While I agree with you to an extent Nathan. There are many dangers to literal translation of the bible





4.... IE Acts 15:29 "That ye abstain...from blood..." Few Christian groups take this as a means to not seek blood transfusions or anything that comes from blood. Where they would rather allow their children or themselves to die instead of 'breaking' God's laws.



5 .....There are implications to taking things all things literally.



6...Do we stone people caught in adultery? Jesus actually saved a woman from being stoned for adultery. Was he breaking the literal law of the bible?



7.... Do you see how it is not so black and white dude? I don't mean to push the issue I just want to point it out that there are alot of implications to literal. How do we know what is or is not to be taken literally. The Holy Spirit provides the discernment :)


1..... The Bible does not say, that Satan took the form of a snake ( where is that written ? it is not ) . It does however say, that a snake is one of Satan's names, that he gos by. To call some one a snake is an insult its the lowest you can go. And it fits Satan well.


2 Again, why assume , that ''talking animals where the norm "" ? Lets not add something that is not there and not written of.
She did not consider that because, lets see. oh it was Satan, just as Christ stated in Rev 12: 9.

3. Your talking about a talking snake, your going to try to say, that im talking literal ? What I am pointing out is scriptural .( rev 12: 9 )


4 This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, nor does it connect .

Acts 15:29
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The subject is food, not ( blood transfusions ) That is not talking things literal, its called following a simple subject. This is talking about things strangled in its own blood, that means, not bleed properly. If you don't then the animal becomes poison to eat. you'd get sick and die likely. This has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Lets keep it simple.....


5. Yeah there are, like thinking Eve talked with a snake . And not what the scripture actually says, Satan....



6 well it was a literal law. Do you think that Leviticus 20:10 was just a fairly tale law .that God just dreamed up to tell a bed time story. We sentence to death people for what the civil law calls for. But as Christians we are taught forgiveness as Christ forgave. The argument does not make sense. And, that law was fallowed and taken seriously at that time.


7 There are alot of implications to being ignorant of God's word too.

1 Corinthians 15:34

King James Version (KJV)

34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
 
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[h=3]Revelation
12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the
devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the
earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
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Mo0448

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Well Nathan I assume you read the original hebrew old testament texts and the greek texts of the new testament or else any mistranslation could ruin the 'literal' bible as it was intended in your misconstrued view. Guess all of Jesus' parables must be taken literally as well. The bible says God created ALL the animals ALL the birds ALL the sea creatures. Literally ALL animals right that's what says. So let's go with it for the sake of the argument. The bible gives the EXACT literal dimensions of the ark...now tell me Nathan how did ALL the animals in the world ever fit in the ark? If you really can't see that it is not so black and white, well I guess all I can say is ignorance is bliss man.
 

Shilo

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I was considering that while this whole conversation was going on, where in the world was Adam? Was he hanging out at a different place in the garden? Scriptures clearly demonstrate that Eve was having a conversation with the snake, it does not specify Adam being present. Or was he there and as usual for men not listening? hahaha. God Bless!
Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner

James 1:14 -15 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
 
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The serpent was inside Eve.
It's that thought process that a person goes through when they consider sinning vs. not sinning, and convince themselves that "it won't hurt anything"
Scapegoating.
Excusing one's self from responsibility.
Blaming one's transgressions on a literal snake or external Satan, instead of taking accountability.
The sin of Judah.

Same thing Judah did when he reasoned that selling Joseph into slavery would somehow free Judah and his brothers from being guilty of the sin of killing Joseph. He reasoned, "well, he's in that pit, he's gonna die anyway now, I can't get my brothers to change their mind, but if I can get them to sell him to somebody else, we'll get a little money and the slavers will be the ones that are responsible for killing him or whatever happens, not us."

Same thing Judas did when he reasoned that the pharisees were so determined to get Jesus, it was just a matter of time anyway, Judas might as well make a little money off of it, and since they're the ones that are actually going to do the killing, Judas "won't be guilty."

The serpent is us on the inside when we excuse our sin before we do it.
Satan is the part of our self that we hate and wish we could cast out. Our adversary. And God is going to cast Him out.
All of the physical stories teach us something about our selves. All the characters are ways we think and behave.

We can never make heads or tails of a literal talking snake. But to keep the one inside us in check, will change hearts.
Repentance and brotherly love, not biblical wisdom, for the win.

The bible says making perfume that smells like dead insects is more valuable than mixing folly with wisdom, like blaming our sin on Eve and a demon possessed talking snake. Folly.
The serpent wasn't inside Eve.That was Satan. Satan is an entity is his own right. He is a fallen cherub. Ezekiel 28:12-19 clearly describes his fall. Yes in the beginning it adress the king of tyre but obviously the king of tyre wasn't present in Eden. Eve's human freewill made the choice to disobey.

Have you considered examining the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John with regard to the words of Jesus?