Eve & the talking Snake

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amdg

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#62
If early Genesis is allegory, why does Jesus Christ, God's own Son, refer to Adam and Eve as if he believed they existed historically? (for realz).
I think taking one verse where Christ prefaces the statement with "Haven't your read" is a far cry from Jesus confirming the literal interpretation of Gen 1-11.

Besides, I don't think even you take this passage completely literally. Do you for example believe that snakes lost their feet as a punishment for tempting man? Do you believe he serpent was literally a serpent and not Satan in the guise of a serpent?
 

starfield

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Well, think about when you are tempted. Do you have some spirit creature standing in front of you speaking?
Where does the urge to ignore a rule really come from?

If that could be considered as "tempted Himself" as you put it, then yes.
He had the urge to sin, and totally repressed it.
That's why He totally blows my mind. Not because of miracles or big promises.
My friend, stop denying Satan's existence. One will be defeated in a battle if they are oblivious of their enemy. Satan actually spoke to Jesus in the wilderness which wouldn't have been the case if he is a nonentity. Also, what about his encounter with God in the book of Job? Who was God speaking to if not a literal devil?


 
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jimmydiggs

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#64
reconstructive surgery up in here
 
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jimmydiggs

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#65
When God walked in the cool of the day, skinned the animals for their clothing, etc.

If you take Genesis literally, then you have no choice but to also acknowledge that Adam and Eve where in the direct presence of God, their parent.
Pre-incarnate Christ.
 
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enoch1nine

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My friend, stop denying Satan's existence.


Sorry, I don't deny Satan's existence. I identify him in a way that makes me responsible for my actions.

One will be defeated in a battle if they are oblivious of their enemy.
I believe my enemy is myself, and the bad half of other people when they hurt me.

Satan actually spoke to Jesus in the wilderness which wouldn't have been the case if he is a nonentity.
Why do we talk to our selves when we are in the "wilderness". A peculiar phenomenon isn't it?

Also, what about his encounter with God in the book of Job? Who was God speaking to if not a literal devil?
The Sons of God refer to the things of God that had been begotten within the righteous man Job.
Satan came also among them, as part of Job, and God wanted to know why Job, a righteous man, was still approaching Him in prayer with self condemnation in his heart. Job was doing great and just couldn't let it rest. Most people can't make it past chapter 2 in one sitting, and never read the whole book from start to finish. After chapter 2, Job's bad half, Satan, speaks as "Job", and the "Sons of God", Job's righteousness, speak as the 3 friends.
If you read the wailings of Job beyond ch.2, you should see Job's inner adversary, Satan, manifesting quite clearly.
Toward the end, when God speaks to Job, God is very clear to Job that he can't save himself from himself, and saves him.
 
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NiceneCreed

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#68
The serpent was inside Eve.
It's that thought process that a person goes through when they consider sinning vs. not sinning, and convince themselves that "it won't hurt anything"
Scapegoating.
Excusing one's self from responsibility.
Blaming one's transgressions on a literal snake or external Satan, instead of taking accountability.
The sin of Judah.

Same thing Judah did when he reasoned that selling Joseph into slavery would somehow free Judah and his brothers from being guilty of the sin of killing Joseph. He reasoned, "well, he's in that pit, he's gonna die anyway now, I can't get my brothers to change their mind, but if I can get them to sell him to somebody else, we'll get a little money and the slavers will be the ones that are responsible for killing him or whatever happens, not us."

Same thing Judas did when he reasoned that the pharisees were so determined to get Jesus, it was just a matter of time anyway, Judas might as well make a little money off of it, and since they're the ones that are actually going to do the killing, Judas "won't be guilty."

The serpent is us on the inside when we excuse our sin before we do it.
Satan is the part of our self that we hate and wish we could cast out. Our adversary. And God is going to cast Him out.
All of the physical stories teach us something about our selves. All the characters are ways we think and behave.

We can never make heads or tails of a literal talking snake. But to keep the one inside us in check, will change hearts.
Repentance and brotherly love, not biblical wisdom, for the win.

The bible says making perfume that smells like dead insects is more valuable than mixing folly with wisdom, like blaming our sin on Eve and a demon possessed talking snake. Folly.
Enoch1nine, your view of this particular Scripture is severely flawed; Satan is a real person. Might I suggest you reconsider your interpretation of Genesis 3. Also, I think you might want to reference several sources on this topic, as well as consult with a pastor. There is no doubt Eve was tempted by Satan, and ultimately she chose to rebel against God, but we should not excuse Satan either. Following your logic, that Satan is the part of ourselves that we dislike, you would then have to say Satan was a part of Jesus, and that is downright heretical. Do you remember the story of Jesus fasting for 40 days in the desert; Satan came to tempt Jesus, but Jesus was not swayed by Satan. Are you saying that the tempter, Satan, was a part of Jesus, also? If your logic leads you to that conclusion, you may want reevaluate how you perceive your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I truly hope you change your mind on this subject matter.

Grace and Peace!
 
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enoch1nine

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#69
Do you remember the story of Jesus fasting for 40 days in the desert; Satan came to tempt Jesus, but Jesus was not swayed by Satan.
Yes. Everyone reteaches that Satan was a physical entity.
But nobody wonders how the physical temple building ended up with physical pinnacles that He could physically cast Himself off of. It didn't have any, either in design or construction.
Nor how one can physically see all the kingdoms of the world, from an exceeding high physical mountain.
 
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That is not what I was talking about, You mentioned that God was in a flesh body in the garden, and I wanted to know, where do you think that is written because i dont see that it says that , why would that even be important to mention ?
If you take Genesis literally, then God had to have been in a visible form as He talked, walked and was seen by Adam & Eve.

After all, they were raised by God, as their first parent....how hard would it be for kids to be raised by an invisible parent?

Pretty hard...