Ever wonder what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was?

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oldhermit

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it is the devil and one of his top ranked fallen angel not humans
Then you will need to show where in the text we are told this. The antecedent of all of the pronouns is the king mentioned in the text.
 
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The king of Persia when this taunt was given was Darius.
Can a man fight an angel without the help of God

thus you are saying a man wicked man prevented both Gabriel, and Michael a very powerful angel had to be called to fight wow darius was hercules or something ?
 
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Then you will need to show where in the text we are told this. The antecedent of all of the pronouns is the king mentioned in the text.
how do you know the serpeant was the devil in eden ?
 

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Can a man fight an angel without the help of God

thus you are saying a man wicked man prevented both Gabriel, and Michael a very powerful angel had to be called to fight wow darius was hercules or something ?
I am not saying it, the text is saying it. Prince is just a word that identifies a ruler or a king. In this text, both the king of Persia and Michael are fittingly referred to as "Prince." The king of Persia is Prince over the Persian empire. Michael is called the chief Prince over the angels.
 

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how do you know the serpeant was the devil in eden ?
We are not told in Genesis that Satan was the serpent in the garden. What we are told is that the serpent was a "beast of the field" not a supernatural being. We also know however that Jesus identified Satan as the force behind the serpent.
 
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Then you will need to show where in the text we are told this. The antecedent of all of the pronouns is the king mentioned in the text.
my friend the devil is a wicked cherub therefore Michael who is also a cherub had to fight thus Gabriel was not able ti to pass please note
Daniel 10:13King James Version (KJV)

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia ( satan ) withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.( his fallen angels army )
 

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my friend the devil is a wicked cherub therefore Michael who is also a cherub had to fight thus Gabriel was not able ti to pass please note
Daniel 10:13King James Version (KJV)

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia ( satan ) withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.( his fallen angels army )
See post #46.
 
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I am not saying it, the text is saying it. Prince is just a word that identifies a ruler or a king. In this text, both the king of Persia and Michael are fittingly referred to as "Prince." The king of Persia is Prince over the Persian empire. Michael is called the chief Prince over the angels.
Why would a powerful angel be called to fight a man when 1 angel killed 185000 people in one night?
Why was cherubims and a sword place to protect the tree of life ?
 
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We are not told in Genesis that Satan was the serpent in the garden. What we are told is that the serpent was a "beast of the field" not a supernatural being. We also know however that Jesus identified Satan as the force behind the serpent.
Who is leviathan ?
 

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Why would a powerful angel be called to fight a man when 1 angel killed 185000 people in one night?
Why was cherubims and a sword place to protect the tree of life ?
We are not told the why, what we are told is that the "prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days." We know that the prince of the kingdom of Persia was Darius not an angelic being.
 

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I submit

the Tree of Life is the way of Yahweh (pure righteousness; no excuse for evil)

and

the tree of knowledge of righteousness and evil is the way of satan (mixture of right and wrong; justifications for evil through false doctrines; "means to an end" type thinking)
Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to Righteousness?"
 
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We are not told the why, what we are told is that the "prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days." We know that the prince of the kingdom of Persia was Darius not an angelic being.
my friend there unwriiten under the written that God reveals to man
Where in the bible does it say that God said let there be male and female plants ?
But we know that they exist

Just curious what does the stars fall from heaven at Jesus second coming mean ?

[h=1]Matthew 24:29King James Version (KJV)[/h]29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
 
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We are never given this information in scripture but from the way he is described in Job it seem clear that he was some type of sea creature.
it is both a sea creature and the devil
Can an animal be king over humans ?
[h=1]Job 41:34King James Version (KJV)[/h]34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
 

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Why would a powerful angel be called to fight a man when 1 angel killed 185000 people in one night?
Why was cherubims and a sword place to protect the tree of life ?
We do know that historically angels have aided the people of God in conflict with their enemies. God has even at times dispatched armies of angels to stand against the enemies of God' people. For example: Do you remember the story of Elisha and Gechazi?
"Then Elisha prayed and said, “O LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” And the LORD opened the servant’s eyes and he saw; and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha" 2Kings 6:17. Although Michael is not mentioned here, this is a perfect example of God dispatching his angels to contend with the armies of Samaria.
 

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my friend there unwriiten under the written that God reveals to man
Where in the bible does it say that God said let there be male and female plants ?
But we know that they exist

Just curious what does the stars fall from heaven at Jesus second coming mean ?

Matthew 24:29King James Version (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
I think this would be something for another thread. But the short answer is that these symbols are used repeatedly throughout scripture as judgment figures to show that God was about to bring judgment and destruction upon some particular nation. In the case of Matt. 24 that nation was Israel. But that should be for another thread. Let us not hijack this thread to pursue this.
 
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We do know that historically angels have aided the people of God in conflict with their enemies. God has even at times dispatched armies of angels to stand against the enemies of God' people. For example: Do you remember the story of Elisha and Gechazi?
"Then Elisha prayed and said, “O LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” And the LORD opened the servant’s eyes and he saw; and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha" 2Kings 6:17. Although Michael is not mentioned here, this is a perfect example of God dispatching his angels to contend with the armies of Samaria.
one angel could prevent adam and eve
one angel could kill the samarithan armes

the CHERUBIMS were to protect the tree of life from satan and his angels
the ANGELS were there to battle the unseen evil armies of the devil
 

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it is both a sea creature and the devil
Can an animal be king over humans ?
Job 41:34King James Version (KJV)

34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
What God is saying about leviathan is not that he is a king over people but that his strength is superior to all others. No one has the right to boast before him. Read that entire chapter and notice all the physical characteristics that God assigns to this creature. He even begins by saying in verse one. “Can you draw out Leviathan with a fishhook? Or press down his tongue with a cord?"