Evolution, Big Bang, and the Bible.

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OwenHeidenreich

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SHEEPxDOG said:
this is just ridiculous GOD almighty does not need evolution thats like saying god is retarded and can't get it right the first time so he needs evolution to help him, honestly why can't you just do the research yourself instead of going off your own bunk theory? Creation scientists
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You cannot put God in a box by saying that God only creates the way you believe a God would create things. (based off of your own human knowledge.)

God could have evolved his creation if he wanted to... just because he is a God does not mean he has to create things instantly. Actually in God's word it does not say he created things instantly, but instead he split it up into 6 days, and he "formed" Adam from the dust of the Earth.

So it is not totally impossible, but I never see God saying "everything came into existance instantly."
 
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nathan3

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Naime said:
Hey guys, I have been wanting to explain my opinion on the Bible and how I think that it very closely relates to evolution and the Big Bang (or something similar).



I believe, I believe I believe, And I believe,

I believe

Within the Big Bang theory, this is very possible.



What are your thoughts?
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The problem we have when learning is we actually need time to read, what is written.

When we start out early, and allow the world or mans ideas to inject our minds, then we can be mislead.

And no time is given, for God's words to be learned, because traditions of men took the space where God's word's could have been.


Man starts from nothing. He begins in helplessness, ignorance, and inexperience. All his works, therefore, proceed on the principle of evolution. This principle is seen only in human affairs : from the hut to the palace ; from the canoe to the ocean liner ; from the spade and ploughshare to machines for drilling, reaping, and binding, etc. But the birds build their nests to-day as at the beginning. The moment we pass the boundary line, and enter the Divine sphere, no trace or vestige of evolution is seen. There is growth and development within, but no passing, change, or evolution out from one into another. On the other hand, all God's works are perfect.
 
Bowman

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Naime said:
The Bible portrays Earth being created before the Sun. Within the Big Bang theory, this is very possible.

What are your thoughts?
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Actually, this is not scientifically possible, as planets form via accretion in the presence of an already formed sun.

Our earth could not be formed first and then our sun at a later date.

Gen 1 tells us that the sun was formed BEFORE creation 'day 1'....it only became visible, from the vantage point of the surface of the earth, on 'Day 4'.
 
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NiceneCreed

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I believe you are taking the story out of context. Please stick to the literary meaning, as well as the literal meaning of the Bible. There is always (and I cannot stress this enough) Authorial Intent. Or do you believe the author intended for you to understand the text in this fashion? I can tell you now with the utmost certainty the author did not intend for you to understand Genesis in this way. I really hope you reevaluate your interpretation; it contradicts what Scripture says.
 
zone

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Grey said:
The two are very unconnected, different, and unrelated theories.
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ya...one is from God. the other is from mystics and kabbalists.
 
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Grey said:
One is from a catholic priest, the other from an agnostic englishman.
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i don't think i'll spend the time on in it with you.
you're not intersted in salvation.
you're only contrary to God ..all the time.

your problem.
 
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Angela53510 said:
The scientific evidence against evolution is massive.

How do you explain the Cambrian explosion for starters?

How do you reconcile irreducible complexity with Darwin's statement in Origin of the Species that evolution could not work if it could be shown that you cannot trace back life to simple forms. Try the flagella on a paramecium for example.

To say nothing of DNA and RNA replication. Which came first the DNA or the RNA? Scientists are lost on that issue.

Once you actually study the evidence, creation becomes a much more viable option.

So instead of theorizing the Bible against a paradigm that is being rejected by more and more scientists as unworkable, why don't you learn a bit more about creation as a viable alternative.

The Bible is trustworthy, so my final thought is to trust it.
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I don't think paramecium have flagella. They have cilia, which are short , and hairlike used for movement, as opposed to the long and whipping or rotating flagella also used for movement. You can trace life back to it's simpler forms. scientist believe that RNA came first and DNA is basically a means of storage. I do believe God created all things and in him and through him we have our existence. I think you should be careful just believing what you hear or read without the means of corroborating it.I won't get into the Cambrian thing, but all you have said is wrong. Where did you hear this ? The father of lies?
 
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zone said:
i don't think i'll spend the time on in it with you.
you're not intersted in salvation.
you're only contrary to God ..all the time.

your problem.
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Yes I'm contrary to god by wishing for world peace, freedom, an end to human enslavement, equality of race and gender, and an end to the caste system. Oh woe is me.
 
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Yes I'm contrary to god by wishing for world peace, freedom, an end to human enslavement, equality of race and gender, and an end to the caste system. Oh woe is me.
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He never promised any of that.
He promised forgiveness of sins and eternal life, in a new creation.

your god is some other god.
 
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Grey

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zone said:
He never promised any of that.
He promised forgiveness of sins and eternal life, in a new creation.

your god is some other god.
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A god in which all races are not equal? Thanks I'll pass on your god then.
 
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Grey said:
A god in which all races are not equal? Thanks I'll pass on your god then.
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don't use my posts to hang your filthy rags.

YOU SAID:

Yes I'm contrary to god by wishing for world peace, freedom, an end to human enslavement, equality of race and gender, and an end to the caste system. Oh woe is me.

He NEVER promised any of that in this life. He promised peace and joy now, life abundantly and contentment now for those in Him and Judgment and damnation for those who reject Him and that MARVELOUS FREE GIFT.

so please stop slandering the True God and go out in yer back 40 and carve you up an idol you like.
making it look like you might help.
 
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zone said:
don't use my posts to hang your filthy rags.

YOU SAID:

Yes I'm contrary to god by wishing for world peace, freedom, an end to human enslavement, equality of race and gender, and an end to the caste system. Oh woe is me.

He NEVER promised any of that in this life. He promised peace and joy now, life abundantly and contentment now for those in Him and Judgment and damnation for those who reject Him and that MARVELOUS FREE GIFT.

so please stop slandering the True God and go out in yer back 40 and carve you up an idol you like.
making it look like you might help.
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Good to see we're both on the same page, considering you were also referring to "eternal life", and I'd enjoy racial and gender equality in the afterlife as well.

Sure an idol to carve? Perhaps I'll go make a horizontal totem poll dedicated to race and gender equality in both this life and the next.

Don't be defensive zone, everyone makes mistakes, do you really think I'm contrary to god everytime on every subject?
 
damombomb

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Grey, why would you become an unbeliever and where did you get the idea the Lord is a respecter of persons?
 
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damombomb said:
Grey, why would you become an unbeliever and where did you get the idea the Lord is a respecter of persons?
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The first part of the question is complicated, its quite a culmination of things. I didn't get the idea, but I would hope that whatever race one is born into (if there is a god), you would have an equal chance to salvation before said god.
 
damombomb

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Grey said:
The first part of the question is complicated, its quite a culmination of things. I didn't get the idea, but I would hope that whatever race one is born into (if there is a god), you would have an equal chance to salvation before said god.
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I pray that he becomes real to you like you have never known. People will let you down, but he will never let you
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Hyvent

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Angela,

You should read Stephen Meyer's new book entitled Darwin's Doubt--though by reading your post, I'm sure you probably read Signature in the Cell as well. I find the DNA and RNA delimma quite convincing myself, you must have both present (when talking in terms of origins) in order for the first cell to begin. Well put!

Are you familiar with William Lane Craig, Jim Warner Wallace, Greg Koukl, Alvin Plantinga?
 
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CoooCaw

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YOU ARE WRONG AND HAVE SWALLOWED, NOT FACTS, BUT THE IDLE SPECULATIONS OF MEN WHO HATE GOD

IN FACT THAT DOGMA ABOUT HOW THE PLANETS FORMED IS PROVABLY WRONG BY PHYSICS

Bowman said:
Actually, this is not scientifically possible, as planets form via accretion in the presence of an already formed sun.

Our earth could not be formed first and then our sun at a later date.

Gen 1 tells us that the sun was formed BEFORE creation 'day 1'....it only became visible, from the vantage point of the surface of the earth, on 'Day 4'.
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Grey said:
Good to see we're both on the same page, considering you were also referring to "eternal life", and I'd enjoy racial and gender equality in the afterlife as well.

Sure an idol to carve? Perhaps I'll go make a horizontal totem poll dedicated to race and gender equality in both this life and the next.

Don't be defensive zone, everyone makes mistakes, do you really think I'm contrary to god everytime on every subject?
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if you reject Jesus Christ, yes indeed you are, son.
better get busy.

it starts with sore knees.
 
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