Evolution, Big Bang, and the Bible.

[wdeaton65]

Here are some Old Testament parables and Phillipy has given some more. Taking parables literally leads to error and a six day creation is an example of that error. Remember the Bible has to be understood by people down the ages so it uses allegory. It is our responsibility to:-

"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(2 Timothy 2:15)".


Of Balaam—Concerning the Moabites and Israelites. Mount Pisgab Num 23:24
Jotham—Trees making a king. Mount Gerizim Jdg 9:7-15
Samson—Strong bringing forth sweetness. Timnath Jdg 14:14
Nathan—Poor man's ewe lamb. Jerusalem 2Sa 12:1-4
Woman of Tekoah—Two brothers striving. Jerusalem 2Sa 14:1
The Smitten Prophet—The escaped prisoner. Near Samaria 1Ki 20:35-40
Jehoash, King of Israel—The thistle and cedar. Jerusalem 2Ki 14:9
Isaiah—Vineyard yielding wild grapes. Jerusalem Isa 5:1-6
Ezekiel—Lion's whelps. Babylon Eze 14:2-9
The boiling pot. Babylon Eze 24:3-5
The great eagles and the wine. Babylon Eze 17:3-10


Blue Letter Bible - Study Tools

Hey ps you are going to give me Bible study tools you are to funny I dont need to have someone translate. ps you keep denying a 6, 24 hour days of creation not a good idea. Barasheet gives you all the facts.

 

[Grey]

That works the same for anything you say as well.

I agree, except when we make claims, we actually back them with rational evidence!

 

[David_1]

You know, this topic was briefly interesting to me when I was younger and searching for answers, but now it seems kind of irrelevant. The evolution story and the story of Genesis are both 'narratives' that on some level are metaphors for our brains to understand something so ancient and complex, that all we have is conjecture.

Atheists seem to think they have some angry arguing point that science has proven the origin of existence, but really it hasn't. It poses ideas based on current thinking. It might as well be mythology for all it impacts on our daily lives. Believing in evolution doesn't help you when you facing death or hard times.

God is not a Bible Literalist, he's more of an artist. He's big into forgiving and loving, and those things don't go well with a literalist mindset.

So, who cares really. We have a lifespan that for most of us is a maximum of 80 years. There are more important things than arguing about the tales of our origins.

 

[Grey]

The evolution story 'narrative' that on some level are metaphors

Atheists seem to think they have some angry arguing point that science has proven the origin of existence, but really it hasn't. It poses ideas based on current thinking. It might as well be mythology for all it impacts on our daily lives. Believing in evolution doesn't help you when you facing death or hard times.

God is not a Bible Literalist, he's more of an artist. He's big into forgiving and loving, and those things don't go well with a literalist mindset.

So, who cares really. We have a lifespan that for most of us is a maximum of 80 years. There are more important things than arguing about the tales of our origins.

Evolution is not a narrative, nor a metaphor.
I don't know the origin of the universe.
I care, the real truth must be known, plenty of people from all religions and politcal backgrounds are peddeling lies and indoctrinating their children every day without allowing for free thinking. The world, particularly Africa and the Middle East are chained to the dark ages by religion.

 

[David_1]

Evolution is not a narrative

Do you understand what a narrative is and can be? It's anything used in language to explain something.

"I went to the store today to collect milk" - narrative
"The molecules combined to form a compound" - narrative
"My daughter pooped her pants" - narrative

Why are you on this site if you are an angry Atheist anyway?

 

[Grey]

Do you understand what a narrative is and can be? It's anything used in language to explain something.

"I went to the store today to collect milk" - narrative
"The molecules combined to form a compound" - narrative

Why are you on this site if you are an angry Atheist anyway?

I see where you are going but a narrative is defined as "A spoken or written account of connected events or a story", evolution is not a story, nor a written account of connected events -- its a theory based on evidence, that points to a high likelihood that mutations in animals are sometimes beneficial, and when beneficial helps a species over time. I think you're thinking more of history.

I certainly didn't come here as an atheist originally, for at least 2 years I was on here as a christian, at times with fairly fundamental views, I recently changed my religious views, in part because I started listening to the other side, not just letting logic hit a wall and then trying to assert my own views. By no means am I angry, I didn't come back to be upset or upset others. Its a bit complicated, if you are familiar with the allegory of the cave, I would be one indebted to return to others.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

If you really came here as a believer and have changed your mind and left Jesus. I pray for you, cause there is a hard road ahead. Jesus said, I will leave the 99 and go after the one. Believe me , I have been there.

 

[Grey]

If you really came here as a believer and have changed your mind and left Jesus. I pray for you, cause there is a hard road ahead. Jesus said, I will leave the 99 and go after the one. Believe me , I have been there.

If you have been "there", thinking rationally and returning I think you made the wrong choice.
And you still havent answered me about why your religion is legitamized over others.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Which one changed the world. which one changed Rome from their multi god religion. Was it buddha or maybe confucius. Islam wasn't invented yet or maybe the faith of evolution. No It was the cross being preached and that is the power of God. My friend , true science coincides with the word of God. Not the other way around. The wor is true and the Spirit is true and nothing else is. You know. You have tasted, if what you say is true, and the day's ahead are going to be hard and I mean hard, He will not let you go. But, if you continue to resist, He will turn you over to Satan for the destruction of your flesh, in hope that you will see the light. He loves you and wants you and He will go to means that you don't want to get you back. Trust me.

 

[Grey]

Which one changed the world. which one changed Rome from their multi god religion. Was it buddha or maybe confucius. Islam wasn't invented yet or maybe the faith of evolution. No It was the cross being preached and that is the power of God. My friend , true science coincides with the word of God. Not the other way around. The wor is true and the Spirit is true and nothing else is. You know. You have tasted, if what you say is true, and the day's ahead are going to be hard and I mean hard, He will not let you go. But, if you continue to resist, He will turn you over to Satan for the destruction of your flesh, in hope that you will see the light. He loves you and wants you and He will go to means that you don't want to get you back. Trust me.

Constantine brought Christianity to rome, Confucianism, Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam have also changed the world. Islam changed the arabian pennisula from its polytheist faith to a monotheistic one. Communism has changed the world brought down the Tsar, and lead to a hundred years of tyranny and genocide, evolution is not a faith but a theory, I do not have faith in evolution, but due to evidence see it as a very plausible explanation for how animals diversified . And all you have said is, we are right because our book says were right, a trait common with Judaism and Islam.

You have yet to legitimize your religion over others.

 

[Naime]

My, this certainly has gotten a lot of responses. I am quite intrigued by how many people have replied to this.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

Hey guys, I have been wanting to explain my opinion on the Bible and how I think that it very closely relates to evolution and the Big Bang (or something similar).

The Bible says that man was made from dust. The Big Bang says that everything is made from dust and matter, etc. Both of them lead up to the conclusion that dust is what was used to create.

I believe that the tree of knowledge was not actually a tree, but a symbol of wisdom. As man evolved, that wisdom grew until man finally ate the 'fruit' of knowledge and used his knowledge for sin. I believe this says that as man's intelligence evolved, that Adam and Eve were the first humans capable of reasoning through guilt. I believe that the tree was just a symbol of the growing knowledge rather than being a tree itself. And I believe that the Garden of Eden was Earth through the eyes of ignorance. It was seen as being beautiful and free from sin, but through the eyes of knowledge, evil can be seen through the world.

When God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and created Eve, I believe that this means that Eve came from the same flesh as Adam - the same ancestor. She evolved into the second human who was capable of the same logic and reasoning as Adam was - to the point that she could feel shame through simple actions.

God said that the animals of the Earth were created before Adam and Eve. Then later he gave them the option to name the animals for themselves.

The Bible portrays Earth being created before the Sun. Within the Big Bang theory, this is very possible. The Earth may have very well been formed and have drifted through space long before the Sun appeared. It was not as we recognized it, but it was still Earth nevertheless. After the Sun was formed, Earth was one of its planets to become pulled into its gravitational field. With the help of God, it hit the gravitational pull at a perfect tilt which made it possible for water to be the primary source of life (since it would not freeze or boil).



What are your thoughts?

Evolution, which I was taught in public school and lots of folks take for granted as fact, is just an unproven untestable hypothesis that is the basis for the faith (belief) of atheism. Everything did not come from nothing and evolve from chaos into order without any intelligent design or guidance. Believe scripture not evolution, and read a good translation so you don't think the earth was created without form.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void" (Genesis 1:1,2-King James Version)

"IN A BEGINNING Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth. Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant" (Genesis 1:1,2-Concordant Version)

 

[Grey]

Evolution, which I was taught in public school and lots of folks take for granted as fact, is just an unproven untestable hypothesis that is the basis for the faith (belief) of atheism. Everything did not come from nothing and evolve from chaos into order without any intelligent design or guidance. Believe scripture not evolution, and read a good translation so you don't think the earth was created without form.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void" (Genesis 1:1,2-King James Version)

"IN A BEGINNING Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth. Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant" (Genesis 1:1,2-Concordant Version)

Every scientist ever is smacking their face with such a misunderstanding of evolution. Evolution is a provable, observable, and genetically traceable theory. It progresses through survival of the fittest not chaos. Though one may argue chaos prompts organisms to evolve to be better suited to their enviroment.

 

[danschance]

...evolution is not a faith but a theory, I do not have faith in evolution, but due to evidence see it as a very plausible explanation for how animals diversified

You have yet to legitimize your religion over others.

Evolution is a provable, observable, and genetically traceable theory.

Looks like somebody is talking out of both sides of their mouth? First it is a theroy and then it is fact and provable???

Oh and is this a violation of rule 1? --> "You have yet to legitimize your religion over others."

 

[Grey]

Looks like somebody is talking out of both sides of their mouth? First it is a theroy and then it is fact and provable???

Oh and is this a violation of rule 1? --> "You have yet to legitimize your religion over others."

Did I say it was a fact? Find me that quote, thats an actual question, I want to know if I did, if I did, I'm sorry evolution is a theory, much like gravity. And yes it is certainly provable, where did I talk out of both sides of my mouth? The claims the theory of evolution make, are verified by observation, that evidence is convincing enough for me to see it as a legitimate scientific theory. I don't have faith in it, I have observable evidence, I dont need faith. And no that person still has yet to legitimize their religion over others, what on earth are you talking about when you say violation?

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

Hey guys, I have been wanting to explain my opinion on the Bible and how I think that it very closely relates to evolution and the Big Bang (or something similar).

The Bible says that man was made from dust. The Big Bang says that everything is made from dust and matter, etc. Both of them lead up to the conclusion that dust is what was used to create.

I believe that the tree of knowledge was not actually a tree, but a symbol of wisdom. As man evolved, that wisdom grew until man finally ate the 'fruit' of knowledge and used his knowledge for sin. I believe this says that as man's intelligence evolved, that Adam and Eve were the first humans capable of reasoning through guilt. I believe that the tree was just a symbol of the growing knowledge rather than being a tree itself. And I believe that the Garden of Eden was Earth through the eyes of ignorance. It was seen as being beautiful and free from sin, but through the eyes of knowledge, evil can be seen through the world.

When God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and created Eve, I believe that this means that Eve came from the same flesh as Adam - the same ancestor. She evolved into the second human who was capable of the same logic and reasoning as Adam was - to the point that she could feel shame through simple actions.

God said that the animals of the Earth were created before Adam and Eve. Then later he gave them the option to name the animals for themselves.

The Bible portrays Earth being created before the Sun. Within the Big Bang theory, this is very possible. The Earth may have very well been formed and have drifted through space long before the Sun appeared. It was not as we recognized it, but it was still Earth nevertheless. After the Sun was formed, Earth was one of its planets to become pulled into its gravitational field. With the help of God, it hit the gravitational pull at a perfect tilt which made it possible for water to be the primary source of life (since it would not freeze or boil).



What are your thoughts?

There's nothing in the scripture account of creation about any big bang. That's part of the evolution scam.

 

[DannyC]

Evolution, which I was taught in public school and lots of folks take for granted as fact, is just an unproven untestable hypothesis that is the basis for the faith (belief) of atheism. Everything did not come from nothing and evolve from chaos into order without any intelligent design or guidance. Believe scripture not evolution, and read a good translation so you don't think the earth was created without form.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void" (Genesis 1:1,2-King James Version)

"IN A BEGINNING Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth. Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant" (Genesis 1:1,2-Concordant Version)

"lots of folks take for granted as fact" Evolution is a fact. Not to confuse the words scientific theory and our common place use of the word theory. A scientific theory is a fact, more or less without getting into minor details the full body of the work is completely supported by facts and laws. Now before we try and get into semantics of theory, if you feel you are valid in saying it is 'only a theory' or 'hasn't been proven' we should start with the point that it is not a mere hypothesis anymore. If you line your arguments on it being a hypothesis, you are being intellectually dishonest. It is a scientific theory, once we establish this undeniable fact, we can look at other theories. Let us just take one other theory. Germ theory. You would hardly frame an argument about germ theory like you would for evolution? This rebuttal to your claim that evolution is "an unproven untestable hypothesis", is only me referring to an argument over titles which you stated when you used the word "hypothesis". Factually you couldn't be further from the truth, a theory consists of thousands of facts, comparative workings from independant sources, obersvations, calculations, experiments and most importantly predictions based on the theory, which if validated help support the theory. Evolution is no exception.

"basis for the faith (belief) of atheism" This is incorrect on many levels. Firstly and minutely either you complement Atheism for its faith/belief and I assume this because faith is core to Christianity. So are you complementing Atheism? Or are you using the word 'faith' as a negative term? If you are, then are you claiming that faith is a negative thing, even though faith is core to Christianity? Apart from this mild confusion on my part, I must also correct you. Atheism is the lack of belief, not the belief. Atheism is not 'I believe there is no God' it is actually I don't believe in God. This really to me is just semantics, but when semantics are used commonly it is not just semantics anymore it is pure misinformation also.

Secondly, The theory of evolution makes no mention of God. Therefore it is not atheistic nor is it theistic. Just because many atheists accept The theory of evolution does not mean that it is an absolute of atheism, I know quite a few atheists who reject the theory for various reasons, does that mean they have rejected the basis for atheism? Of course it doesn't atheism is just the rejection/non belief in a diety.

I hate having to dissect entire paragraphs, but I'm not ignoring the entire frame of what you wrote. "Everything did not come from nothing". This has nothing to do with Evolution, this has more to do with the origin of the universe, but I'm not convinced that would even shake the theory of evolution if proven true. "evolve from chaos into order without any intelligent design or guidance" Chaos into order makes no sense, we observe simplistic objects growing into complicated objects all the time, the earth is an open system within a closed system, we obtain energy from the sun. Evolution does not violate any laws, which was what I believe you were hinting at.

 

[Grey]

There's nothing in the scripture account of creation about any big bang. That's part of the evolution scam.

The two are very unconnected, different, and unrelated theories.

 

[Crucifiction]

There's nothing in the scripture account of creation about any big bang. That's part of the evolution scam.

A Catholic priest coined the big bang. Whaddya know?
Georges Lemaître - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Phillipy]

Evolution is wrong so is the Big Bang plus it's a theory not a fact on the Big Bang
God Created
create is to take nothing and form something out of nothing
The Big Bang nor evolution is in the Bible so therefore it's cancelled out and not the truth

Hinduism, this forum, kangaroos, other galaxies, gravity and black holes weren't mentioned in the bible, but they exist
I believe in lots of things that aren't in the bible.
Theory can be used colloquially to mean a speculation, but *scientific theories* aren't unproven facts waiting to be proven and promoted to fact, theories are frameworks of understanding that explain a large body of facts. 'The scientific theory of X' is already the highest level of confidence such a framework can attain. More evidence for gravity wont change the name of the scientific field of 'gravitational theory' into 'gravitational fact'. It will always be gravitational theory no matter how certain we become
Like musical theory when you are learning how notes work