Faith is reckoned as righteousness

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FreeNChrist

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Don't people say its the "currency of Heaven"? :p I mean people use faith all the time, in prayer, administering healing for the sick and even in obedience to the Lord (trusting in Him by following His lead). You use faith by stepping out and believing God.
People say all kinds of things, especially HRFTD. Which is why I asked him the question.
 
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coby

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Naw. That would make God the culpable cause of the unbelief of those who He has demanded faith of, but who cannot exercise such faith because He has denied it to them. Not a chance.

Just as you said it comes, not by being gifted to some and not others, but by hearing the Word of God.
I always thought it was a gift He gave when you heard the Word, don't know.
If the heart is hard the seed can't grow. Little kids all have faith.
 
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FreeNChrist

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I always thought it was a gift He gave when you heard the Word, don't know.
If the heart is hard the seed can't grow. Little kids all have faith.
And what does it say about the character of God if He withholds faith from some?
 
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Don't people say its the "currency of Heaven"? :p I mean people use faith all the time, in prayer, administering healing for the sick and even in obedience to the Lord (trusting in Him by following His lead). You use faith by stepping out and believing God.
Right. Maybe saying 'excercise' faith, instead of 'use'?
Idk, seems pretty clear. If I flip the switch, I'm using faith that the light will go on.
I don't first unscrew the bulb and run it through a battery of tests to make sure it's the real light bulb. I simply have faith. And I don't stop and pray I hope I hope I hope the light goes on, I just flip the switch.

(Now, before I get jumped on...) I know it's a weak analogy, because bulbs do burn out,
But, God's light NEVER burns out, ... He IS light, and anytime we excercise/use faith in HIM, He is ever-faithful, He is ever trustworthy, He is always 'right ON'.

What I need to learn is to have that Love Light turned on and Leave it on,
And let it shine, shine, shine.

Not that I control it, but sometimes I find myself where things seem dim to dark,
for any number of reasons, but if I use faith to move to flip the switch, I find the light was already on. I probably had my eyes closed, or maybe a hoodie pulled on too tight,
whatever, but it also seems not so much to be a wall-switch, but more of a motion-detector.
The motion is the faith which I have as a gift, being used to open my eyes or take the hoodie off. As soon as I do, I find the light is already on.
The prodigal turned, and the Father came running to greet him.
But the Father's lovelight was always 'ON'.
 
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coby

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#47
And what does it say about the character of God if He withholds faith from some?
Jesus withheld Himself from them and spoke in parables because He knew what was in their heart.
The pharisees had faith though. They waited for Him to do a miracle with that man who had to stretch his arm out, it was just not saving faith.
 
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FreeNChrist

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#48
Jesus withheld Himself from them and spoke in parables because He knew what was in their heart.
So, He gifts faith to those who are deserving of it?
 
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FreeNChrist

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Right. Maybe saying 'excercise' faith, instead of 'use'?
Idk, seems pretty clear. If I flip the switch, I'm using faith that the light will go on.
I don't first unscrew the bulb and run it through a battery of tests to make sure it's the real light bulb. I simply have faith. And I don't stop and pray I hope I hope I hope the light goes on, I just flip the switch.

(Now, before I get jumped on...) I know it's a weak analogy, because bulbs do burn out,
But, God's light NEVER burns out, ... He IS light, and anytime we excercise/use faith in HIM, He is ever-faithful, He is ever trustworthy, He is always 'right ON'.

What I need to learn is to have that Love Light turned on and Leave it on,
And let it shine, shine, shine.

Not that I control it, but sometimes I find myself where things seem dim to dark,
for any number of reasons, but if I use faith to move to flip the switch, I find the light was already on. I probably had my eyes closed, or maybe a hoodie pulled on too tight,
whatever, but it also seems not so much to be a wall-switch, but more of a motion-detector.
The motion is the faith which I have as a gift, being used to open my eyes or take the hoodie off. As soon as I do, I find the light is already on.
The prodigal turned, and the Father came running to greet him.
But the Father's lovelight was always 'ON'.
Is God the responder, or are we?
 
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FreeNChrist

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#51
You don't have do be a wise-ass, do you?
Apparently I do. But you still need to try to actually understand what is actually written.
 
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We do respond when we hear His word about Christ. We do have a will to choose once we "see" what Christ brings us with His finished work. "Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of Christ" Romans 10:17..our response is always after something that God did for us. God does initiate.




These verses make sense as a rebuttal to the idea that man has faith by himself alone.

They can be interpreted to say, whatever man's response is, has its foundation in God's initial action -- whatever man's faith is based on the measure God originally gave him.

But there are parables talking about how servants increased the measure of what their master gave them.

It does not make sense to use these verses to say the entire process has -nothing- to do with man's response or his faithfulness with the gifts he receives.

The reason that is, is because of verses saying without faith it is impossible to please God. This is talking about Enoch who had been said to please God. Why would God be pleased or displeased with us based on something we had nothing to do with?

And there's also the parable of the sower, describing how the hearers respond to hearing the word, in Matthew 13. The last response is to receive the word and yield a crop of 30, 60, or 100 fold.

Jesus says a few verses prior, 'Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.' I believe that the bold 'haves' could be talking about owning and multiplying and increasing from the measure of what God has given us. Something like, 'Whoever increases will be given more, whoever does not increase, what they have will be taken from them.'
 
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coby

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#53
So, He gifts faith to those who are deserving of it?
I think they had that faith when they were 3 and then the heart got unable to receive it. Jerusalem, Jerusalem, I wanted to gather your kids but you wouldn't let Me.
Hey I don't study theology nor have I ever but I shake them out of my sleeve lol.
 
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Apparently I do. But you still need to try to actually understand what is actually written.
Gee, gosh, actually, really, actually?

Yeah, it's become quite apparent what you're on about.
That's fine...YOU said faith was not a gift, then you said we've all been given a measure of faith. I questioned the apparent contradiction. Instead of clarifying with a little grace, you chose not to answer and be a jacko, and now by your own admission, you HAVE to.
Funny, you won't allow another to say they Have to believe their faith is a gift from God,
But yet you say you Have to be a wise-ass.
Maybe it's you who needs to engage your own brain,
If you can wrest it out of your own keister.

Look, jack, I didn't come here for petty digs back and forth,
I was just trying to get involved in the conversation,
and you weren't being very clear on the point of faith/gift.

Sorry you felt insulted by my asking for a clearer explanation.

I'll try not to bother you. I believe in Jesus. If you do, too,
that's good enough for me, brother.
I have enough enemies outside the body of Christ,
I don't need more within.

I will disagree with one thing you said though.
Neither you, nor me or ANY of us HAS to be a wise-ass,
It's a choice.
I choose to apologize.
I choose to tell you that
Jesus loves you, and so do I as a brother.
I also forgive you, and that HAS to be a gift from God,
It goes against my very nature, lol. God bless. Ttyl. ;)
 
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FreeNChrist

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#55
Gee, gosh, actually, really, actually?

Yeah, it's become quite apparent what you're on about.
That's fine...YOU said faith was not a gift, then you said we've all been given a measure of faith. I questioned the apparent contradiction. Instead of clarifying with a little grace, you chose not to answer and be a jacko, and now by your own admission, you HAVE to.
Funny, you won't allow another to say they Have to believe their faith is a gift from God,
But yet you say you Have to be a wise-ass.
Maybe it's you who needs to engage your own brain,
If you can wrest it out of your own keister.

Look, jack, I didn't come here for petty digs back and forth,
I was just trying to get involved in the conversation,
and you weren't being very clear on the point of faith/gift.

Sorry you felt insulted by my asking for a clearer explanation.

I'll try not to bother you. I believe in Jesus. If you do, too,
that's good enough for me, brother.
I have enough enemies outside the body of Christ,
I don't need more within.

I will disagree with one thing you said though.
Neither you, nor me or ANY of us HAS to be a wise-ass,
It's a choice.
I choose to apologize.
I choose to tell you that
Jesus loves you, and so do I as a brother.
I also forgive you, and that HAS to be a gift from God,
It goes against my very nature, lol. God bless. Ttyl. ;)
The word faith is used in different ways in scripture. What I am saying goes along with the same Paul who wrote that and who also wrote similarly in 2 Cor. 10:12,13.....that we will not (nor can we or should we) boast beyond the measure we have been given, but we will (we can and we would be right to do so) boast within the measure of the sphere which God apportioned to us as a measure. He is not speaking about our saving faith in Christ, but about THE faith. The faith of Christianity. We should not shrink from declaring the truth we have been given, neither should we go beyond what we have been given. When we do, we always get ourselves into trouble.
 
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coby

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#56
The word faith is used in different ways in scripture. What I am saying goes along with the same Paul who wrote that and who also wrote similarly in 2 Cor. 10:12,13.....that we will not (nor can we or should we) boast beyond the measure we have been given, but we will (we can and we would be right to do so) boast within the measure of the sphere which God apportioned to us as a measure. He is not speaking about our saving faith in Christ, but about THE faith. The faith of Christianity. We should not shrink from declaring the truth we have been given, neither should we go beyond what we have been given. When we do, we always get ourselves into trouble.
Wot?
Never heard that. The faith of christianity? We hear the Word, faith comes by hearing the Word of Christ, it's a gift, you get saved with that faith and then you can use it for the rest. Like Peter who first had little faith and sank. Faith is like a muscle, you build it by hearing and hearing and acting on it. Then the sick heal in your shadow and you have big faith and you read texts that you died with Christ and get set free from stuff.
 
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FreeNChrist

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#57
Wot?
Never heard that. The faith of christianity? We hear the Word, faith comes by hearing the Word of Christ, it's a gift, you get saved with that faith and then you can use it for the rest. Like Peter who first had little faith and sank. Faith is likea muscle, you build it by hearing and hearing and act on it. The the sick heal in your shadow and you have big faith and you read texts that you died with Christ and get set free from stuff.

You've never heard of the Christian faith?
 
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And what does it say about the character of God if He withholds faith from some?
Wow, as I read more and bounce from thread to thread, trying to keep up,
which is near imposs, you ppl are quick and knowledgeable
and obviously many of you have years of computer experience
and know how to manipulate the keyboard
and probably have fun leaving ppl in the rear pack,

but nevertheless, I just can see so much misunderstanding
that happens, and probably leads to some animosity as well,
even a lack of grace and forgiveness ,
and that seems wrong and unnecessary.

And I can see on diff threads alot of the same ppl 'liking' the same ppl,
and ignoring the the same others.
The patterns unfold when sitting back and reading/observing.

Yet most everybody here claims the name 'christian'.
I sure wish I had even a fraction of the knowledge
that alot of you folks have here,
But instead of being in church and the bible,
I wasted much of my life in selfishness.

Now, as get older and slower in thinking/learning abilities,
I realize I'm doing alot of scrambling to try to catch up
to a crowd that has pretty much left me in the dust.

I only know I believe in Jesus, I don't feel I have any gifts
or talents to be able to help anybody or teach anybody,
and just hope I can accomplish something in this life for Him,
but time marches quickly.

I probably could use a partner for prayer,
accountability, encouragement, and just genuineness and care,
but church and online forums are all so involved these days,
ppl are very busy, so proper learning to be able to help others
is probably wishful thinking on my part.

So I have to just struggle through on my own
and hope I don't get too
kicked around along the way.

God gave Jesus, Jesus gave Himself, as a gift,
to be our Savior, I believe in Jesus, and I don't think
I could say that and Truly believe it in my heart if it wasn't
a gift, because I really don't know why He would save a wretch like me,

but His love is His gift, and His Word is His gift,
and His Word says let whosoever
will, come and drink of the water of life freely,
whosoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ has eternal life,
shall not come into the condemnation,
but is passed from death to life.

Now I've got to figure out the proper response
and find what it is I'm supposed to do with whatever
is left of my life, and hopefully find someone to do it with, too,
and I wonder what role being on this site will play
in any of that, but I do pray for everybody here,
and I am understanding a little more about that great prayer
our Savior prayed in John17.

God bless you all and thanks for letting me get that out,
I wasn't expecting it.
And if you could, please pray for me too,
I could use it for a number of reasons...physically, vocational/ministerial, etc.
And also for that true companion to grow in grace
and worship and serve the Lord with,
as I'm finding isolation is not a good place,
for me, at least, and leaves one vulnerable.

Still hope I can find a way to contribute in a fruitful
way along the path,
And I really desire that fulness of joy,
Not just for myself, but to share,
And to share some love.
Not much else matters, really.
 
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coby

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#59
You've never heard of the Christian faith?
LOL yes but not that it's something different. Ah the foundations of the christian faith you mean, laying on of hands, baptize and all that. But you don't get that in a measure. You can just read it in the Bible.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#60
Jesus withheld Himself from them and spoke in parables because He knew what was in their heart.
The pharisees had faith though. They waited for Him to do a miracle with that man who had to stretch his arm out, it was just not saving faith.

The pharisees crucified christ, Your saying that is faith?

They also said Jesus did all those miracles by the power of Satan (beelzebub) Not God.