Faith is reckoned as righteousness

[oldethennew]

our Faith from our Father is not a thing for debate,
it is a gift beyond our human understanding,
the lovliest thing to behold, pure GOLD.....

 

[coby]

The pharisees crucified christ, Your saying that is faith?

They also said Jesus did all those miracles by the power of Satan (beelzebub) Not God.

Even the demons believe and they tremble. No they didn't believe He was the Messiah but they were waiting for the miracle to happen and believed God existed and the devil, they were no atheists. Very weird kinda faith I suppose.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Even the demons believe and they tremble. No they didn't believe He was the Messiah but they were waiting for the miracle to happen and believed God existed and the devil, they were no atheists. Very weird kinda faith I suppose.

belief is not the same as faith.. That was James point,, I can believe all I want, if I have no faith, it is useless.

 

[resurrection33]

You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
James 2:24

Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.
Rev 2:10

Paul says our faith is reckoned as righteousness.

For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
Rom 1:17

We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.
Rom 4:9

What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;
Rom 9:30

By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings.
Heb 11:4

So if this applies to Abraham it also applies to us as Paul says.

This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
Rev 14:12

Theologians seemed to have passed over this righteousness.
Why does God regard faith as righteousness?

It is simply without a relationship, everything will always die as God is life and the source of life itself, love, and love is eternal. So no matter how right you are, unless you are plugged in and working you will become a dry branch.

It would seem to me that we make things pretty difficult for the Lord if we don't trust him.

 

[FreeNChrist]

LOL yes but not that it's something different. Ah the foundations of the christian faith you mean, laying on of hands, baptize and all that. But you don't get that in a measure. You can just read it in the Bible.

Sigh*. It is speaking of the Christian faith, the living body of Christ to which all Christians belong, and to how each of us are to function within that body. It is not speaking of the faith by which we are justified.

 

[FreeNChrist]

our Faith from our Father is not a thing for debate,
it is a gift beyond our human understanding,
the lovliest thing to behold, pure GOLD.....

Except for those who He doesn't gift with faith, eh?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Even the demons believe and they tremble. No they didn't believe He was the Messiah but they were waiting for the miracle to happen and believed God existed and the devil, they were no atheists. Very weird kinda faith I suppose.

Sigh*. Demons believe God is One, they do not have faith in Christ, nor do they believe in Jesus Christ for salvation.

 

[coby]

Sigh*. It is speaking of the Christian faith, the living body of Christ to which all Christians belong, and to how each of us are to function within that body. It is not speaking of the faith by which we are justified.

That's the same faith. I use the same faith to believe He saved me and to pray for someone. Only the gift of faith is His faith. That you don't have to build. You get that if you got that gift sometimes with instant miracles when you don't even believe it yourself.

 

[FreeNChrist]

That's the same faith. I use the same faith to believe He saved me and to pray for someone. Only the gift of faith is His faith. That you don't have to build. You get that if you got that gift sometimes with instant miracles when you don't even believe it yourself.

No, it's not the same faith. That IS the point.

 

[coby]

Sigh*. Demons believe God is One, they do not have faith in Christ, nor do they believe in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Don't sigh too hard. Read better, use your brain, I didn't say that. Hahahahahahaha. My mom always said: Don't use your brain too much. It hurts. If you want to know what I mean you need the gift of supernatural understanding hahahahaha.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Don't sigh too hard. Read better, use your brain, I didn't say that. Hahahahahahaha. My mom always said: Don't use your brain too much. It hurts. If you want to know what I mean you need the gift of supernatural understanding hahahahaha.

You apparently took her advice to heart.

 

[coby]

Wow, as I read more and bounce from thread to thread, trying to keep up,
which is near imposs, you ppl are quick and knowledgeable
and obviously many of you have years of computer experience
and know how to manipulate the keyboard
and probably have fun leaving ppl in the rear pack,

but nevertheless, I just can see so much misunderstanding
that happens, and probably leads to some animosity as well,
even a lack of grace and forgiveness ,
and that seems wrong and unnecessary.

And I can see on diff threads alot of the same ppl 'liking' the same ppl,
and ignoring the the same others.
The patterns unfold when sitting back and reading/observing.

Yet most everybody here claims the name 'christian'.
I sure wish I had even a fraction of the knowledge
that alot of you folks have here,
But instead of being in church and the bible,
I wasted much of my life in selfishness.

Now, as get older and slower in thinking/learning abilities,
I realize I'm doing alot of scrambling to try to catch up
to a crowd that has pretty much left me in the dust.

I only know I believe in Jesus, I don't feel I have any gifts
or talents to be able to help anybody or teach anybody,
and just hope I can accomplish something in this life for Him,
but time marches quickly.

I probably could use a partner for prayer,
accountability, encouragement, and just genuineness and care,
but church and online forums are all so involved these days,
ppl are very busy, so proper learning to be able to help others
is probably wishful thinking on my part.

So I have to just struggle through on my own
and hope I don't get too
kicked around along the way.

God gave Jesus, Jesus gave Himself, as a gift,
to be our Savior, I believe in Jesus, and I don't think
I could say that and Truly believe it in my heart if it wasn't
a gift, because I really don't know why He would save a wretch like me,

but His love is His gift, and His Word is His gift,
and His Word says let whosoever
will, come and drink of the water of life freely,
whosoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ has eternal life,
shall not come into the condemnation,
but is passed from death to life.

Now I've got to figure out the proper response
and find what it is I'm supposed to do with whatever
is left of my life, and hopefully find someone to do it with, too,
and I wonder what role being on this site will play
in any of that, but I do pray for everybody here,
and I am understanding a little more about that great prayer
our Savior prayed in John17.

God bless you all and thanks for letting me get that out,
I wasn't expecting it.
And if you could, please pray for me too,
I could use it for a number of reasons...physically, vocational/ministerial, etc.
And also for that true companion to grow in grace
and worship and serve the Lord with,
as I'm finding isolation is not a good place,
for me, at least, and leaves one vulnerable.

Still hope I can find a way to contribute in a fruitful
way along the path,
And I really desire that fulness of joy,
Not just for myself, but to share,
And to share some love.
Not much else matters, really.

Yes I don't know if they have a prayer group here, maybe on chat, but I never use that. Let's start a prayer thread. Better than bothering everyone with my answers they don't understand anyway.

 

[Grace777x70]

I have never used the chat here..how does one do that?..thanks

Yes I don't know if they have a prayer group here, maybe on chat, but I never use that. Let's start a prayer thread. Better than bothering everyone with my answers they don't understand anyway.

 

[nu2see]

Yes I don't know if they have a prayer group here, maybe on chat, but I never use that. Let's start a prayer thread. Better than bothering everyone with my answers they don't understand anyway.

I can't chat, it takes adobe flash player which I don't have.
There's already a whole prayer forum.
Maybe there's other ways, too.
My pm is always open to anybody, even ppl that don't like me.

(Especially, really, I always want reconciling
and reasoning around God's Word with other
believers in Jesus. We're family after all,
and He wants us united in love,
as gruelling as that can be at times...lol...jk...
He loves us, we have to learn to love one another...IN WORD AND DEED!)

But, yeah, pm anytime.

I have never used the chat here..how does one do that?..thanks

 

[Chuckt]

belief is not the same as faith.. That was James point,, I can believe all I want, if I have no faith, it is useless.

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But will thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

-Religion VS Jesus DO VS DONE, Explanation of Scripture The "RELIGIOUS" USE TO DENY SALVATION BY GRACE ALONE

James is creating a fictitious character and he does this by saying, "yea a man may say". James calls this man "O vain man".

The difference between devils and humans is God decided to die for humans and not devils.

"Jesus said, That whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but HAVE eternal life (John 3:15)

"Jesus said, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but HAVE everlasting life (John 3:16)

"Jesus said, He that BELIEVETH on him is NOT condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God (John 3:18)

"Jesus said, Veril, Verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and BELIEVETH on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 6:29)

"Jesus said, ANd this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH on him, may HAVE everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day (John 6:40)

"Jesus said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me HATH everlasting life (John 6:47)

"Jesus said, HE that BELIEVETH on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of LIVING water. (John 7:38)

"Jesus said, Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that BELIEVETH in me, though he were dead, yet shall he LIVE: (John 11:25)

The devils believe that Jesus exists but can't trust Him (Jesus) for salvation because Jesus didn't die for them.

Are you going to say that belief isn't enough?

"If the works for salvation-ist were honest, he would have replied,'No Lord, I don't believe you; for even the devils believe and tremble'!

Doesn't that sound like a foolish answer? Oh vain man, Is faith without works dead?

-Quotes from Preston Greene, "Religion VS JESUS, DO VS Done!"

The problem here is unbelief.

Romans 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

If you don't believe then you think that the Gospel of Christ is not the power of God and so you look to works to save you which won't save.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1 John 1:12Jesus said,"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die, Believest thou this?" (John 11:26)

 

[Grace777x70]

Believing is simply the verb to the noun faith...they are the same meaning..only one is a verb and the other is a noun and they have the same root greek word in them...demons believe there is a God and tremble but they have nothing to do with saving faith which is in Christ alone by His grace for salvation. Demons have no salvation offered to them and they know their time for judgment is coming fast..

 

[KenAllan]

Faith is reckoned as Righteousness. And yes we are to do "works". We are to do the works of our Faith. BUT we are NOT to do the works of the Law!

If you are trying to receive your Faith or trying to keep your Faith by doing the works of the Law you are accursed!

This is the another Gospel God is talking about in Galatians.

Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.