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I don't know of any specific examples of this being done.
But I know that there is no other name but Jesus, "........ whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12.
So will baptizing in the name of the Father, or the Holy Spirit, have any meaning?
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I think that when you are baptized, in the name of Jesus, you get the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So in that sense you would get the Father and the Son also, through the Holy Spirit..
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Oh Yes,
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ?
If you don't know what His name is,
Then how can you be baptizes in His name?
But I know that there is no other name but Jesus, "........ whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12.
So will baptizing in the name of the Father, or the Holy Spirit, have any meaning?
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I think that when you are baptized, in the name of Jesus, you get the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So in that sense you would get the Father and the Son also, through the Holy Spirit..
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Oh Yes,
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ?
If you don't know what His name is,
Then how can you be baptizes in His name?
R
There is not one verse in the Bible whereby any person was ever baptized in the TITLES Of FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST.
I'M a Father, That is not My name...I am A Son and that is not my Name..it is a title or description, not Somebody's NAME.
In Acts 2 verse 38 Apostle Peter told all those gathered to Be Baptized IN THE NAME OFJESUS CHRIST. That is the NAME of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. That is why when you study the NT Scriptures; you see those who were Water Baptized in THE NAME of JESUS CHRIST. Noone was ever baptized in Tge Titles "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" here are a few verses to prove the point
(1) Acts 2 verse 38 " In the NAME of JESUS Christ.
(2) Acts 8 verse 16 "....Only they were Baptized in THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS
(3) ACTS 10 VERSE 48 "And he commanded them to be baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD (Jesus..Acts 9 verse 5)
(4) Acts 16 verses 30-33
They asked "What must i do To be saved?"
Verse 33: " And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes, and WAS BAPTIZED, HE, AND ALL HIS HOUSE."
(5) ACTS 19 VERSES 1-7
Verse 5 "When they heard this, THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.
None of The Original Apostles in Scriptures ever Water Baptized anyone EXCEPT in The Name of The Lord Jesus or Jesus Christ.
Reason..Because in Acts 4 Verse 12 it tells us It is the Only Name given among Men, whereby we are saved..
I'M a Father, That is not My name...I am A Son and that is not my Name..it is a title or description, not Somebody's NAME.
In Acts 2 verse 38 Apostle Peter told all those gathered to Be Baptized IN THE NAME OFJESUS CHRIST. That is the NAME of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. That is why when you study the NT Scriptures; you see those who were Water Baptized in THE NAME of JESUS CHRIST. Noone was ever baptized in Tge Titles "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" here are a few verses to prove the point
(1) Acts 2 verse 38 " In the NAME of JESUS Christ.
(2) Acts 8 verse 16 "....Only they were Baptized in THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS
(3) ACTS 10 VERSE 48 "And he commanded them to be baptized IN THE NAME OF THE LORD (Jesus..Acts 9 verse 5)
(4) Acts 16 verses 30-33
They asked "What must i do To be saved?"
Verse 33: " And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes, and WAS BAPTIZED, HE, AND ALL HIS HOUSE."
(5) ACTS 19 VERSES 1-7
Verse 5 "When they heard this, THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.
None of The Original Apostles in Scriptures ever Water Baptized anyone EXCEPT in The Name of The Lord Jesus or Jesus Christ.
Reason..Because in Acts 4 Verse 12 it tells us It is the Only Name given among Men, whereby we are saved..
Why baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
there is a way to salvation
-We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name
of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of
the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
-We are baptized into the truth by God’s power (Matthew 3:11; John 1:33).
3I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me,
Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he
which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
-That Spirit, God’s power, actually dwells in us after baptism (Acts 2:38; 4:8, 31; Ezekiel 36:27).
8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
27And I will put (my spirit) within you, and (cause you to walk) in (my statutes),
and ye shall (keep my judgments, and do them).
- was given to witness to the world.
8 But ye shall (receive power), after that (the Holy Ghost) is come (upon you):
and ye shall be (witnesses) unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the (uttermost part) of the earth.
-teach and brings things to our remembrance through the power of His Spirit (John 14:26).
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
-God will give His Spirit to those who ask for right reason.(Luke 11:13).
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
-God reveals His secrets to us through the Holy Spirit (Luke 2:26)
26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should
not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
-helps us speak his words boldly.
31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
- and in truth his words about things to come.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will (shew you things to come).
there is a way to salvation
-We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name
of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of
the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
-We are baptized into the truth by God’s power (Matthew 3:11; John 1:33).
3I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me,
Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he
which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
-That Spirit, God’s power, actually dwells in us after baptism (Acts 2:38; 4:8, 31; Ezekiel 36:27).
8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
27And I will put (my spirit) within you, and (cause you to walk) in (my statutes),
and ye shall (keep my judgments, and do them).
- was given to witness to the world.
8 But ye shall (receive power), after that (the Holy Ghost) is come (upon you):
and ye shall be (witnesses) unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the (uttermost part) of the earth.
-teach and brings things to our remembrance through the power of His Spirit (John 14:26).
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
-God will give His Spirit to those who ask for right reason.(Luke 11:13).
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
-God reveals His secrets to us through the Holy Spirit (Luke 2:26)
26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should
not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
-helps us speak his words boldly.
31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
- and in truth his words about things to come.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will (shew you things to come).
R
You covered it well!..Water Baptism is just one part of The true Salvation Message. We have to Belive we have to Obey, and make certain we do it all whatever The Apostles' Doctrine Teaches (I Timothy 4 v 16) If we follow what it says to do, you are gauranteed Salvation. If we cherry pick the parts we like only, or come up with our own personal, Pet Doctrine and leave out this or that The Apostles themselves taught we are in trouble with God for disobedience.
Remember in The OT when God told Moses to SPEAK TO THE ROCK, and a gusher of water would come forth so the Children of Israel could have lots of Water? Then you read Mosestook his Rod and Struck the Rock not speaking unto it as God Commanded him. For this one Act of Disobedience, God would not let Moses cross over the Jordan River to the lromised land. His brother AARON took them over The Jordan....God means what he says, and says what he means..Amen.
Remember in The OT when God told Moses to SPEAK TO THE ROCK, and a gusher of water would come forth so the Children of Israel could have lots of Water? Then you read Mosestook his Rod and Struck the Rock not speaking unto it as God Commanded him. For this one Act of Disobedience, God would not let Moses cross over the Jordan River to the lromised land. His brother AARON took them over The Jordan....God means what he says, and says what he means..Amen.
Its the poetic language of God which altogether simply mean.. "the authority of God". God uses three as a metaphor in his poetic or parabolic language to indicate the end of the matter. Without that kind of language the word of God speaks not..
Finding the origin of water baptism can help us find the meaning to that ceremonial law of purifying, as to its intended purpose .Seems today many others have another foundation .
Finding the origin of water baptism can help us find the meaning to that ceremonial law of purifying, as to its intended purpose .Seems today many others have another foundation .
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Here we go again, have we already read our Bible? The Bible says
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]Matthew 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the [/FONT]name[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]The Holy Spirit telling us in the scriptures is Name not "Title". [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]Matthew 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the [/FONT]name[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]The Holy Spirit telling us in the scriptures is Name not "Title". [/FONT]
R
Exactly, and I fully Agree with what you stated. Millions have taken Matthew 28 verse 19 literally never once seeing that verse is Speaking about The Name of Jesus Chtist. Jesus told his Apostles to Baptize IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER ( WHO'S NAME IS JESUS) AND OF THE SON ( JESUS) And of The Holy Ghost who's name is also Jesus..
i don't want to put words in his mouth, but let's say what i 'hope' he is meaning to communicate . .
. . is that the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O itself is not the thing that saves a person nor seals a person. Rather, the Spirit is the seal and being found in Christ is where salvation is.
i think this might be more of a miscommunication issue than a difference in doctrine.
Kosie, are you saying that obediently being washed in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O in good conscience toward God is like "milk" and understanding what this symbolizes, and being actually washed by the Word of God is like "meat" ?
That it is Jesus Christ who we are immersed into and that the washing of the Word and regeneration by the Spirit is the real 'meaty' immersion -- while the outward obedient act ((still our righteous duty)) is symbolic only, therefore 'milky' ?
& would you agree or disagree with that description of how this all goes down, hornetguy? RBA238? FreeNChrist? et al?
Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her,
having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word . . .
(Ephesians 5:25-26)
having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word . . .
(Ephesians 5:25-26)
Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. All four gospels say so, and two also say Jesus baptizes with fire as well as the Holy Spirit... as per John the Baptist: He announced, “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.” Matthew 3:11
If i am reading what i find right, the Greek word εἰς, eis, "in" could just as well mean "into" :
Maybe it edifies to think about this.
Immersion is both "in" and "into" -- if i immerse a cup, it's "into" water just as it is "in" the pail that holds the water.
"Into" the water, "in" the river.
"Into" Christ, "in" the name of God. Also "into" the name, "in" Christ.
i do agree that all the "meat" of the understanding of this is when we start thinking of our blessed Lord, and not when we're constrained to considering the ceremony, and the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.
((which some people actually do, teaching that the act itself saves, that regeneration occurs under the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O and only under the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O))
But i believe it's in what this symbolizes, not in what this is.
[HR][/HR]
Sometimes i might sound like i'm downplaying the act of water baptism when i talk about this -- please don't ever think so; i do believe we must obediently do this, though i do also believe that it is possible to be saved without it, because Jesus is where salvation is found, the one who saves and the object of our faith -- not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.
Still Salvation itself entails being transformed into willing & obedient creatures in Him, not remaining as people who would reject His will, and H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism is His will for us, to proclaim what He has done in us.
1519 eis (a preposition) – properly, into (unto) – literally, "motion into which" implying penetration ("unto," "union") to a particular purpose or result.
Maybe it edifies to think about this.
Immersion is both "in" and "into" -- if i immerse a cup, it's "into" water just as it is "in" the pail that holds the water.
"Into" the water, "in" the river.
"Into" Christ, "in" the name of God. Also "into" the name, "in" Christ.
i do agree that all the "meat" of the understanding of this is when we start thinking of our blessed Lord, and not when we're constrained to considering the ceremony, and the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.
((which some people actually do, teaching that the act itself saves, that regeneration occurs under the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O and only under the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O))
But i believe it's in what this symbolizes, not in what this is.
[HR][/HR]
Sometimes i might sound like i'm downplaying the act of water baptism when i talk about this -- please don't ever think so; i do believe we must obediently do this, though i do also believe that it is possible to be saved without it, because Jesus is where salvation is found, the one who saves and the object of our faith -- not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.
Still Salvation itself entails being transformed into willing & obedient creatures in Him, not remaining as people who would reject His will, and H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism is His will for us, to proclaim what He has done in us.
Heavens no!
There's only one "method" -- one Gate to the Kingdom:
Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
((He's not made of H[SUB]2[/SUB]O, hee-hee -- baptism isn't the 'method of salvation' i believe, but the obedient public declaration of having received it. You don't disagree with that, do you?))
While i think i understand how you could reach this from what Kosie has said, i really do hope that this is a mischaracterization because of some fault in communication.
