FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST, WATER BAPTISM..

[Kosie]

Hornetguy do you think Phillip baptized in water CORRECTLY? Then why did the Spirit not fall on none of the baptized people in Acts 8? Nope I think you should do more study on the ONE baptism God definitely support and BLESS! You say you have no evidence of Spirit baptism in the Bible. Read Acts 2:4 and Acts 8 it is there and more places too. Just ask I will provide the Scriptures.

How many people did Jesus baptize with water? NONE! I wonder why? Maybe it is because he does not baptize with water but with LIVING WATER... Everlasting life and SPIRIT! Who can tell me why Jesus was baptized with water by John. Since Jesus did not NEED baptism as HE has no old life to die from and a new life to enter? Is that not why you baptize with water today? To lay down your old life? How many of you did do that, or are you still sinners? See you are the proof that water baptism is NOT SAVING you! It is just a symbol. God does not support symbols, he support TRUTH and Spirit. I do not say you should not be baptized with water, but I do say.... IT DOES NOT DO ANYTHING TO YOUR SALVATION!

 

[Kosie]

God says PUT ON THE NEW MAN... the likeness of JESUS! That is the only ONE I want to baptized with. You can have the water for you, I prefer the LIVING WATER..... Now that is a NEW LIFE and a baptism of God!
Water never saved no man, but LIVING WATER is the new holy life of the SAVED! Beautiful Jesus please baptize us!

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The NAME of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit is JESUS.

This is not true

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

How many people did Jesus baptize with water? NONE! I wonder why? Maybe it is because he does not baptize with water but with LIVING WATER...

Because water baptism is not dependent on your salvation... but with this argument why do you keep communion? Are you doing it for salvation or because it is an outward sign and testimony?

 

[prodigal]

Exactly, and I fully Agree with what you stated. Millions have taken Matthew 28 verse 19 literally never once seeing that verse is Speaking about The Name of Jesus Chtist. Jesus told his Apostles to Baptize IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER ( WHO'S NAME IS JESUS) AND OF THE SON ( JESUS) And of The Holy Ghost who's name is also Jesus..

oneness doctrine.. no point beating about the bush. Jesus could have said then, baptise in the name of me, me and me, why not just say me once. Jesus never stuttered.

 

[Kosie]

Because water baptism is not dependent on your salvation... but with this argument why do you keep communion? Are you doing it for salvation or because it is an outward sign and testimony?

I do not keep holy communion, never have! I am not worthy.

But soon I will have with my Lord!

Look what the disciles did. when they were on milk before they were filled with the Lord, they baptized with water, and Jesus allowed it. Joh_4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

But AFTER they were on steak they laid hands on people and they baptized with what Jesus does! HOLY GHOST. Acts 8 Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

 

[prodigal]

water baptism is symbolic, a declaration to the world , if your not going to do it. are you not going to do a wedding ceremony either. its symbolic but doesn't make a marriage work if the couple aren't committed within. It amazes me how people choose not to do something and then make a big noise about it to show everyone else how wrong they are, from not being in fellowship to living with a partner unmarried to not being baptised etc etc even paul circumcised timothy as not to cause offence in a particular situation... he never believed it was necessary for salvation.
Wouldn't it be nice if the only attention we blew our trumpet for was to spread the good news to those that so desperately need it..

 

[Kosie]

Will I go to hell if i m not water baptized? NOPE!... Will I go to hell if I am not Spirit baptized... YEP! Easy as that.

 

[prodigal]

Will I go to hell if i m not water baptized? NOPE!... Will I go to hell if I am not Spirit baptized... YEP! Easy as that.

if you dont want to follow Jesus's example of water baptism thats between you and him, but do you really think its appropriate to promote the idea when you can already see the division it causes. They will be known by their fruits,,,comes to mind

easy as that

 

[prodigal]

I do not keep holy communion, never have! I am not worthy.

But soon I will have with my Lord!

Look what the disciles did. when they were on milk before they were filled with the Lord, they baptized with water, and Jesus allowed it. Joh_4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

But AFTER they were on steak they laid hands on people and they baptized with what Jesus does! HOLY GHOST. Acts 8 Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

so you dont take communion ever and dont intend to,,you havent been water baptised and dont intend to ever,, reading through your posts i see you believe yourself to be sinless too, are you in a fellowship or does that go against your own doctrine too.. sounds more like meology to me

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I do not keep holy communion, never have! I am not worthy.

But soon I will have with my Lord!

This is by choice my dear brother. The disciples were also not worthy of having communion but Jesus invited them to sit down with Him. Not one of us are worthy but we are all invited to the feast.

 

[posthuman]

I do not keep holy communion, never have! I am not worthy.

No one of us is 'worthy' but Christ commanded it.

 

[RBA238]

i don't want to put words in his mouth, but let's say what i 'hope' he is meaning to communicate . .
. . is that the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O itself is not the thing that saves a person nor seals a person. Rather, the Spirit is the seal and being found in Christ is where salvation is.

i think this might be more of a miscommunication issue than a difference in doctrine.

Kosie, are you saying that obediently being washed in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O in good conscience toward God is like "milk" and understanding what this symbolizes, and being actually washed by the Word of God is like "meat" ?
That it is Jesus Christ who we are immersed into and that the washing of the Word and regeneration by the Spirit is the real 'meaty' immersion -- while the outward obedient act ((still our righteous duty)) is symbolic only, therefore 'milky' ?

& would you agree or disagree with that description of how this all goes down, hornetguy? RBA238? FreeNChrist? et al?

Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her,
having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word . . .
(Ephesians 5:25-26)​

I agree totally, that Baptism in itself does not save a person. A person has to be repented of their sins, being willing to be obedient and follow The Lord not only in his Words but praying daily and depend on him 24/7.

Baptism is also part of the total equation and unless a person is willing to submit to what it teaches us to do, and how it is to be properly done; that person will not be saved because they are not obedient to God.

 

[RBA238]

Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. All four gospels say so, and two also say Jesus baptizes with fire as well as the Holy Spirit... as per John the Baptist: He announced, “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.” Matthew 3:11

Agree, John's Baptism was for Repentsnce in the OT. His Baptism was a forerunner of The future water baptism which began in Acts 2 verse 38 on the day the Christian Church started in Jerusalem.

 

[RBA238]

i don't want to put words in his mouth, but let's say what i 'hope' he is meaning to communicate . .
. . is that the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O itself is not the thing that saves a person nor seals a person. Rather, the Spirit is the seal and being found in Christ is where salvation is.

i think this might be more of a miscommunication issue than a difference in doctrine.

Kosie, are you saying that obediently being washed in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O in good conscience toward God is like "milk" and understanding what this symbolizes, and being actually washed by the Word of God is like "meat" ?
That it is Jesus Christ who we are immersed into and that the washing of the Word and regeneration by the Spirit is the real 'meaty' immersion -- while the outward obedient act ((still our righteous duty)) is symbolic only, therefore 'milky' ?

& would you agree or disagree with that description of how this all goes down, hornetguy? RBA238? FreeNChrist? et al?

Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her,
having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word . . .
(Ephesians 5:25-26)​

Water Baptism is still part of the total equation so it must be obeyed. A person cannot just decide to downplay a part of scripture that commands Baptism ( Read Acts 10 verses 43-48 for example) Peter COMMANDED those in Cornelius' house to be Water Baptized.

 

[mailmandan]

Water Baptism is still part of the total equation so it must be obeyed. A person cannot just decide to downplay a part of scripture that commands Baptism ( Read Acts 10 verses 43-48 for example) Peter COMMANDED those in Cornelius' house to be Water Baptized.

Yes, Peter commanded those in Cornelius' house to be water baptized, but it was not water baptism that saved them. It was believing in Jesus that saved them. Acts 10:43 - ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Acts 11:17 - ..they received the same gift (Holy Spirit) when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. So Cornelius and his household believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues (spiritual gift which is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18).

 

[Kosie]

1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
I am unworthy, EXAMINED MYSELF!
Water baptism I may never do! Who will baptize me? Whose example do they follow? Jesus did not baptize with water!
Division, there will always be. MANY make up their own Doctrine. My command is to reproof and that I do to the best of my ability.
I did not say I will never use communion, I will for sure.... With a CLEAN conscience and worthy to do so, because God makes me worthy. He is busy with it!
I look t Cornelius and I see how GOD filled the man with the Spirit, while Peter were teaching. I look at the massive churches Paul preached too and how they
were Spirit-filled, and yet Paul water baptized a handful of people, and he was glad he did so few.

Come let us close this with this question.... God says there is ONE BAPTISM Eph 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


John mentions two: Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Which baptism is the ONE BAPTISM in God's eyes? I say the RED one... Holy Ghost baptism. End of argument.

 

[mailmandan]

Come let us close this with this question.... God says there is ONE BAPTISM Eph 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John mentions two: Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Which baptism is the ONE BAPTISM in God's eyes? I say the RED one... Holy Ghost baptism. End of argument.

Amen!

Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.. *Clearly a reference to Spirit baptism.

 

[garee]

Here we go again, have we already read our Bible? The Bible says

Matthew 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The Holy Spirit telling us in the scriptures is Name not "Title".

Name is authority . God does not have a name to help indentfy who is is from false gods.and neither do they fallen gods called angels who also have no form use a name in that way.

The one title of that one authority in respect to one Holy Spirit according to two attributes is.... Father, and Son,

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

God has no form.

 

[Kosie]

RBA238 Phillip was not an APOSTLE, he was a deacon/evangelist. Like Stephen. Acts 6:5. All Apostles baptized with Holy Spirit. The Apostle Philip would have baptized Samaria himself with Spirit if He was the Apostle in Samaria. But John and Peter had to come up to the DEACON to baptize the city with the Spirit. and look Simon thought he could bye this Godly gift!