Flood - worldwide or local?

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NayborBear

NayborBear

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eternally-gratefull said:
I actually used to teach the gap and its theories to people in my church..I was so happy the first time I heard it, and studied it, I could actually finally answer all the evolutionists and scientists who claimed an old earth..

Please.. the mocking attitudes do not do you any good.. If you think like Valient they are just joking, You should think again.. They are mockery, and people see it.
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Tis like most things on this planet, EG! People see/hear what they wanna see/hear, and disregard the rest!

Well?...How do you "see" things now?
 
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BeyondET

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eternally-gratefull said:
I actually used to teach the gap and its theories to people in my church..I was so happy the first time I heard it, and studied it, I could actually finally answer all the evolutionists and scientists who claimed an old earth..

Please.. the mocking attitudes do not do you any good.. If you think like Valient they are just joking, You should think again.. They are mockery, and people see it.
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Well that is of a personal opinion that people are mocking and not of reality, some folks look at the trees for answers some are thought to be around 9,000 years old, I know this might not be something you believe but there are those who do study these things.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
Well that's not the only way I determine the amount of the flood, since scripture doesn't state anything about two by two trees plants etc. being in the ark, with that one can only assume that all plants on the earth where in a bloom state, bearing friut seedlings to produce all the verities around today, that doesn't seem logical at all. Finding a leaf from a olive tree that doesn't produce Friut at least a minimum of three years more so within 5 to 12 years of age. Seems likely to me there was some trees left after the flood to produce another tree/fruit.
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then we are back to the origional argument, that the dove had to travel great distances to find that leaf that never perished in the flood.

And the fact that it does not prove at all that the flood waters started to recede. Only that the dove found dry land..


 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
Well I was simply responding to your statement that the ark had no maneuvering and how do you know this fact?

As you stated you where in the coast guard, "thanks for serving by the way :)"' but as you know a ship can't maneuver without what a rudder, or sails or paddles ores or modern days a motor.. It's dead in the water toss by the waves to where ever.
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yes, not only know it, I have experienced it..

A ship that had a rudder, but but had no motor. (or sails). Rendered the rudder useless. the ship would go wherever the water sent it..

so again, Where did the ark get its maneuvering power> How did Noah steer the ship to dry land?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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NayborBear said:
Tis like most things on this planet, EG! People see/hear what they wanna see/hear, and disregard the rest!

Well?...How do you "see" things now?
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For the most part I see this as true

However, if it was true, no one would ever come to christ, Because no one ever wanted to. He had to draw us..

How do I see it now? It would take along time to show everything, But I believe the flood changed life on this earth as we know it.. And made the landscape as we now see it possible.. And answers most of not all scientific questions about the earth and its history..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
Well that is of a personal opinion that people are mocking and not of reality, some folks look at the trees for answers some are thought to be around 9,000 years old, I know this might not be something you believe but there are those who do study these things.
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I would never mock anyone who thinks the earth is old.. If I did, I would be in sin, and I would pray someone chastened me.

We can believe what we want, It is just if someone says they think this is true, I think we aught to be able to question it.

That is how I changed most of my beliefs, I stopped taking what people said as gospel truth when other people made me question them, and searched for answers.. Although in doing this, I would never say I hold absolute truth..


so, When someone says they think the flood was Local. I question them, When someone says they think the earth is billions of years old. I question them, That is what science teaches us to do..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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NayborBear said:
pointless argument for vanity's sake?.....(am I mocking?...perhaps, I am...:cool:) "Sea-ya!" (oops...I made a funny)...LOL!!
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he thinks this is funny.

Can someone show me where this comment would show a non believer about the flood?

and people wonder why people think christianity is a hateful religion.
 
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BeyondET

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes, I have studied this, What I have found, is just because it does nto HAVE to mean something, does not mean it Does NOT mean something..

we have to take the whole account into context. We can not by itself use it to prove a point,
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sometimes its not even the whole account in context but one simple word miss translated that can send folks off in wonderland.

If I grow from or if I grew from, there is a difference in the wording of things. One simple word can throw the whole context off.
 
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popeye

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eternally-gratefull said:
For the most part I see this as true

However, if it was true, no one would ever come to christ, Because no one ever wanted to. He had to draw us..

How do I see it now? It would take along time to show everything, But I believe the flood changed life on this earth as we know it.. And made the landscape as we now see it possible.. And answers most of not all scientific questions about the earth and its history..
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It is believed,the grand canyon was formed as a result of a world flood receding suddenly.
 
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popeye

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How can anyone read the account,understand all the mountains were covered,and then convince themselves the flood was local?
 
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BeyondET

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eternally-gratefull said:
I would never mock anyone who thinks the earth is old.. If I did, I would be in sin, and I would pray someone chastened me.

We can believe what we want, It is just if someone says they think this is true, I think we aught to be able to question it.

That is how I changed most of my beliefs, I stopped taking what people said as gospel truth when other people made me question them, and searched for answers.. Although in doing this, I would never say I hold absolute truth..


so, When someone says they think the flood was Local. I question them, When someone says they think the earth is billions of years old. I question them, That is what science teaches us to do..
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I agree same here I do the same thing, when I here someone say the whole earth was flooded and the earth is only 6,000 years old or flat or doesn't spin etc. I question it as well. But I don't always say that is what science teaches, the bible teaches me as well to think logical of things and along with God who can also do the impossible that includes the least logical or the least noticeable or the least recognized.

Albino's ever wonder why this happens in almost every living thing on earth, from people to animals to planets. yet why is this, I'm not one to believe it's from sin.
 
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popeye

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What,ultimately,creates a need for a local flood?????

Why does it NEED to be local???

What doctrine is threatened by a world wide flood????
 
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BeyondET

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popeye said:
What,ultimately,creates a need for a local flood?????

Why does it NEED to be local???

What doctrine is threatened by a world wide flood????
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Nothing nor viseversa, though I see the bais in the statement to create a need for a local rather creating a need for either or.
 
hornetguy

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Worldwide. This is scriptural. Speculation is not.
 
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BeyondET

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Like saying evening and morning but not mentioning night or day within the same context. Thus a complete 24 hour day. Same thing with the flood half detailed and lacking full explaination. Why IMO they didn't have the vocabulary to do so.
 
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jaybird88

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the bible says worldwide.
the ancient people say it was world wide. ancients in Egypt, India, China, Americas, etc, all speak of a global flood. if it didnt happen and wasnt global thats quit a conspiracy being as those ancient people didnt know each other.
 
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BeyondET

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jaybird88 said:
the bible says worldwide.
the ancient people say it was world wide. ancients in Egypt, India, China, Americas, etc, all speak of a global flood. if it didnt happen and wasnt global thats quit a conspiracy being as those ancient people didnt know each other.
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I like this interesting so where did you get all this info from, is all this written in the bible about India, China, Americas mentioning there was a global flood no of coarse not. It's using the secular world view clarifying your bible view of the flood. Isn't that the pot calling the kittle black. Ok for you to use secular info but God forbid anybody else use it.
 
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