For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

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For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • No.

    Votes: 21 91.3%

  • Total voters
    23

posthuman

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Jul 31, 2013
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#81
Actually, God created time, so he doesn't really do before/during/after.


"I AM the Alpha and the Omega,"
says the Lord God,
"
who is, and who was, and who is to come,
the Almighty.
"
(Revelation 1:8)



:D
 

posthuman

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#82
like regular prayer. For Example I pray for my son salvation.

simple

Please save my son. In the name of Jesus amen
"if it is your will" ?



"nevertheless, not my will but thine . ." ?
 

trofimus

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Aug 17, 2015
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#83


"I AM the Alpha and the Omega,"
says the Lord God,
"
who is, and who was, and who is to come,
the Almighty.
"
(Revelation 1:8)



:D
It has been discovered that there is not space and time, but rather spacetime, in the Universe. Time is changing by moving forward in this spacetime.
Thats why time is also relative to one's position, movement and the angle of view.

God is not a part of our Universe so depleted is quite right that such comprehension of before/after is just for us, not for Him.
 
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#84
It has been discovered that there is not space and time, but rather spacetime, in the Universe. Time is changing by moving forward in this spacetime.
Thats why time is also relative to one's position, movement and the angle of view.

God is not a part of our Universe so depleted is quite right that such comprehension of before/after is just for us, not for Him.
And how was that outrageous claim discovered?
 

trofimus

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Aug 17, 2015
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#85
And how was that outrageous claim discovered?
I do not know how exactly it was discovered, but its established for quite a long time, so when you will do some study, I think you will find it.

If you are interested more in the fact of it as such, you can watch for example this:

And if you want to attack it somehow, do not address it to me, I am not a physicist.

[video=youtube;MO_Q_f1WgQI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO_Q_f1WgQI[/video]
 
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#86
I do not know how exactly it was discovered, but its established for quite a long time, so when you will do some study, I think you will find it.

If you are interested more in the fact of it as such, you can watch for example this:

And if you want to attack it somehow, do not address it to me, I am not a physicist.

[video=youtube;MO_Q_f1WgQI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO_Q_f1WgQI[/video]
Why would you assume I want to attack it?

The video just a theory, for something to be discovered, it is mostly based on facts.
 
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#87
Science says andromeda is moving towards the Milky Way and will collide with our galaxy at some point in time,

which Galaxy is moving forward and which one is moving backwards in space, and is one moving forward in time and one moving backwards in time.

if people left the earth and moved somewhere else in the universe, all concept of human time goes right out the window.
 

trofimus

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#88
Why would you assume I want to attack it?

The video just a theory, for something to be discovered, it is mostly based on facts.
Of course, the video is a popular documentary, not the mathematics behind it or experiments proving relativity. But you can find these too, on the web.
 
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#89
Of course, the video is a popular documentary, not the mathematics behind it or experiments proving relativity. But you can find these too, on the web.
Well I will just give it some time, before long there will be the next so called great discovery on the horizon, that will debunk the last great discovery, lol
 
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#90
Cow dung!

Since it is obvious you just want to lie about everything, start your own thread and have a thrill.
Nope. What I said as the standard response is EXACTLY the same response posthuman who agrees with you gave on the next page.

God has chosen that i don't 'skip evangelizing'
So looks like you are just having a temper tantrum, keep at it. I could not care less.
Sorry to bother your thread, I already left. I apologize if I hurt your feelings. Be blessed.
No hard feelings
 

SovereignGrace

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Dec 28, 2016
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#91
like regular prayer. For Example I pray for my son salvation.

simple

Please save my son. In the name of Jesus amen
But that's not consistent with your beliefs. I am glad you pray like a Calvinist. Yaaaaay!!!
 

notuptome

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May 17, 2013
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#92
How do you pray to God about Him saving the lost?
With a broken heart and a sense of great urgency. Tears streaming down the face and great agony of soul.

Romans 9:1 ¶ I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Paul prayed for the unsaved to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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#93
Why would a Calvinist evangelize? If you are elect you will be saved and there is not a single thing you can do about it. Predestination and Gods sovereignty are immutable. What God has determined will happen and there is no power in the universe that can change it.

Of course the Calvinist could simply be misunderstanding the whole concept.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yeah, already know the charges. Also know the truth. Since you don't want to know the truth or hear the truth, but keep leveling the charges, there's another word for that.
That DOES sound like something a Calvinist would say though.LOL.Ignore a common sense question that contradicts biblical teaching that says the just shall live by faith.
 

Jackson123

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Feb 6, 2014
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#94
But that's not consistent with your beliefs. I am glad you pray like a Calvinist. Yaaaaay!!!
Calvinist Will not pray for salvation, If you believe salvation determined before foundation of the earth why pray
 

SovereignGrace

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#95
Calvinist Will not pray for salvation,
That's an outright lie. Repent. I have been a christian for over 10 years now. My wife is not. I pray for God to save her. I don't pray for Him to work in a way for her to exercise her 'free will', but to save her from her sins, from Himself and His wrath. When Arminians pray, they pray like Calvinists.

If you believe salvation determined before foundation of the earth why pray
Because we are commanded to pray. You have a false view of the lost. You view the lost as if they think, "Man, if there was a way to get to God, I would bust through there and be saved!" But the bible says in Psalm 14 & Romans 3 there are NONE who understand, there are NONE who seek God.

Here's an old song that proves this...

I was a wandering sheep

I was a wandering sheep,
I did not love the fold;
I did not love my Shepherd’s voice,
I would not be controlled.
I was a wayward child,
I did not love my home;
I did not love my Father’s voice,
I loved afar to roam.
The Shepherd sought His sheep,
The Father sought His child;
They followed me o’er vale and hill,
O’er deserts waste and wild;
They found me nigh to death,
Famished and faint and lone;
They bound me with the bands of love,
They saved the wand’ring one.
They spoke in tender love,
They raised my drooping head,
They gently closed my bleeding wounds,
My fainting soul they fed;
They washed my filth away,
They made me clean and fair;
They brought me to my home in peace,
The long sought wanderer.
Jesus my Shepherd is:
’Twas He that loved my soul;
’Twas He that washed me in His blood,
’Twas He that made me whole.
’Twas He that sought the lost,
That found the wand’ring sheep,
’Twas He that brought me to the fold,
’Tis He that still doth keep.
No more a wandering sheep,
I love to be controlled;
I love my tender Shepherd’s voice,
I love the peaceful fold.
No more a wayward child,
I seek no more to roam;
I love my heavenly Father’s voice,
I love, I love His home!
 

SovereignGrace

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Dec 28, 2016
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#97
Brother Jackson123,

I reposted that song here. I made it easier to read as it got posted badly.

I was a wandering sheep,
I did not love the fold;
I did not love my Shepherd’s voice,
I would not be controlled.

I was a wayward child,
I did not love my home;
I did not love my Father’s voice,
I loved afar to roam.

The Shepherd sought His sheep,
The Father sought His child;

They followed me o’er vale and hill,
O’er deserts waste and wild;

They found me nigh to death,
Famished and faint and lone;
They bound me with the bands of love,
They saved the wand’ring one.

They spoke in tender love,
They raised my drooping head,
They gently closed my bleeding wounds,
My fainting soul they fed;

They washed my filth away,
They made me clean and fair;
They brought me to my home in peace,
The long sought wanderer.

Jesus my Shepherd is:
’Twas He that loved my soul;
’Twas He that washed me in His blood,
’Twas He that made me whole.

’Twas He that sought the lost,
That found the wand’ring sheep,

’Twas He that brought me to the fold,
’Tis He that still doth keep.

No more a wandering sheep,
I love to be controlled;
I love my tender Shepherd’s voice,
I love the peaceful fold.

No more a wayward child,
I seek no more to roam;
I love my heavenly Father’s voice,
I love, I love His home!


This is probably the most biblically based song I have ever heard.
 

SovereignGrace

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Dec 28, 2016
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#98
That DOES sound like something a Calvinist would say though.LOL.Ignore a common sense question that contradicts biblical teaching that says the just shall live by faith.
And faith is a gift of God and not innate in fallen mankind.

Another chunk of wood for my burn pile.
 

trofimus

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Aug 17, 2015
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#99
Calvinist Will not pray for salvation, If you believe salvation determined before foundation of the earth why pray
Because God heard those prayers before the foundation of the world!
 

Jackson123

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Feb 6, 2014
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That's an outright lie. Repent. I have been a christian for over 10 years now. My wife is not. I pray for God to save her. I don't pray for Him to work in a way for her to exercise her 'free will', but to save her from her sins, from Himself and His wrath. When Arminians pray, they pray like Calvinists.


Because we are commanded to pray. You have a false view of the lost. You view the lost as if they think, "Man, if there was a way to get to God, I would bust through there and be saved!" But the bible says in Psalm 14 & Romans 3 there are NONE who understand, there are NONE who seek God.

Here's an old song that proves this...

I was a wandering sheep

I was a wandering sheep,
I did not love the fold;
I did not love my Shepherd’s voice,
I would not be controlled.
I was a wayward child,
I did not love my home;
I did not love my Father’s voice,
I loved afar to roam.
The Shepherd sought His sheep,
The Father sought His child;
They followed me o’er vale and hill,
O’er deserts waste and wild;
They found me nigh to death,
Famished and faint and lone;
They bound me with the bands of love,
They saved the wand’ring one.
They spoke in tender love,
They raised my drooping head,
They gently closed my bleeding wounds,
My fainting soul they fed;
They washed my filth away,
They made me clean and fair;
They brought me to my home in peace,
The long sought wanderer.
Jesus my Shepherd is:
’Twas He that loved my soul;
’Twas He that washed me in His blood,
’Twas He that made me whole.
’Twas He that sought the lost,
That found the wand’ring sheep,
’Twas He that brought me to the fold,
’Tis He that still doth keep.
No more a wandering sheep,
I love to be controlled;
I love my tender Shepherd’s voice,
I love the peaceful fold.
No more a wayward child,
I seek no more to roam;
I love my heavenly Father’s voice,
I love, I love His home!
I believe God command to because there is posibility for unsave to save with pray inconsistence with predestination doctrine.