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[Zmouth]

Likewise, how did man acquire the ability to speak the spoken word if man can not acquire the ability to speak the spoken word unless without interaction with someone speaking.

FAQ: Language Acquisition

How do children acquire language? Do parents teach their children to talk?



No. Children acquire language quickly, easily, and without effort or formal teaching. It happens automatically, whether their parents try to teach them or not.
Although parents or other caretakers don't teach their children to speak, they do perform an important role by talking to their children. Children who are never spoken to will not acquire language. And the language must be used for interaction with the child; for example, a child who regularly hears language on the TV or radio but nowhere else will not learn to talk.
Children acquire language through interaction - not only with their parents and other adults, but also with other children. All normal children who grow up in normal households, surrounded by conversation, will acquire the language that is being used around them. And it is just as easy for a child to acquire two or more languages at the same time, as long as they are regularly interacting with speakers of those languages.

Source: Linguistic Society of America LINK


Hence it is a gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[UnderGrace]

I am not understanding the connection you are making.

Are you saying that since, theoretically the acquisition of language is an inherent ability of the brain, then tongues is an inherent ability to the believer by the holy spirit.

Likewise, how did man acquire the ability to speak the spoken word if man can not acquire the ability to speak the spoken word unless without interaction with someone speaking.

FAQ: Language Acquisition

How do children acquire language? Do parents teach their children to talk?



No. Children acquire language quickly, easily, and without effort or formal teaching. It happens automatically, whether their parents try to teach them or not.
Although parents or other caretakers don't teach their children to speak, they do perform an important role by talking to their children. Children who are never spoken to will not acquire language. And the language must be used for interaction with the child; for example, a child who regularly hears language on the TV or radio but nowhere else will not learn to talk.
Children acquire language through interaction - not only with their parents and other adults, but also with other children. All normal children who grow up in normal households, surrounded by conversation, will acquire the language that is being used around them. And it is just as easy for a child to acquire two or more languages at the same time, as long as they are regularly interacting with speakers of those languages.

Source: Linguistic Society of America LINK


Hence it is a gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[CS1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKIteAul6Z8

Bible Flock box teaching is from SDA. and doesn't believe in the doctrine of the trinity, hell torment for ever, . The video on YouTube does an ok Job exposing this " Bible flock Box Exposed. The man in the Video on " tongues exposed " name is Greg"


He is Seven day Adventist
he teaching against:

1. hell eternal torment
2. the Trinity
3. Eternal security
4. heaven
5. holds to elan White false teachings

The sad thing is if the thread is only for those who hold to not speaking in tongues and this video is used as the " Biblical " source to prove that tongues is of the devil and not biblical why would one use a false teacher to make that point?

Then mask it over with this statement:

"I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed."


To use a false teacher to edify those who maybe on the fence about the gifts of the Holy Spirit ? Yet the assertion is those who speak in tongues are demon possessed and the video's teacher has no :

1. biblical education that can be verified
2. name that can be verified
3. publishing , or church supported statement of faith i.e. "what we believe"

This Greg is a Joke ! and a false teacher and is presented as an authority on biblical Gifting of the Holy Spirit .
The only victims are those who listen to this false teacher and think it is edifying.

I would be very embarrassed to have my name attached to this as creditable source for biblical study, debate , and edification.

I thought you all would like to know that

the topic is somewhat moot now that the source is from a false teacher is it not?

 

[Kavik]

Zmouth –

To your point, ‘experiments’ (cruel as they are) have been done since ancient times by taking two children and putting them in a place where there is minimal human contact to see what language they end up speaking, thus, determining man’s “first language”.

One such experiment was purportedly done by an Egyptian nobleman/pharaoh (?) who instructed that the children were to be cared for, fed, etc. as normal, but that no person, under penalty of death, could talk to them, nor were they to be exposed to any language whatsoever.

As the story goes, one of the children spoke the word “bekos” one day and this Egyptian sent for his advisors to determine what was said and what language it was said in. Apparently he was informed that the word meant ‘bread’ in some regional dialect of Greek (something like that) and the Egyptian was forced to concede that man’s first language was Greek and not Egyptian as he thought it would be.

Now obviously, this is just a story, though supposedly it did take place, and I’m pretty sure the child was indeed spoken to, despite the punishment if caught. It does serve to illustrate the point that language is a learned thing – it must be done through interaction.

Children can acquire multiple languages far easier and quicker than any adult can – providing they have constant contact with the speakers of said languages.

What is interesting to me is that T-speech is not a written phenomenon; it's spoken only - no one writes in T-speech unless it's something that's been transcribed.

 

[CS1]

Zmouth –

To your point, ‘experiments’ (cruel as they are) have been done since ancient times by taking two children and putting them in a place where there is minimal human contact to see what language they end up speaking, thus, determining man’s “first language”.

One such experiment was purportedly done by an Egyptian nobleman/pharaoh (?) who instructed that the children were to be cared for, fed, etc. as normal, but that no person, under penalty of death, could talk to them, nor were they to be exposed to any language whatsoever.

As the story goes, one of the children spoke the word “bekos” one day and this Egyptian sent for his advisors to determine what was said and what language it was said in. Apparently he was informed that the word meant ‘bread’ in some regional dialect of Greek (something like that) and the Egyptian was forced to concede that man’s first language was Greek and not Egyptian as he thought it would be.

Now obviously, this is just a story, though supposedly it did take place, and I’m pretty sure the child was indeed spoken to, despite the punishment if caught. It does serve to illustrate the point that language is a learned thing – it must be done through interaction.

Children can acquire multiple languages far easier and quicker than any adult can – providing they have constant contact with the speakers of said languages.

What is interesting to me is that T-speech is not a written phenomenon; it's spoken only - no one writes in T-speech unless it's something that's been transcribed.

human reasoning over rules Power of the Holy Spirit and the word of God? if it does not fit our personal understanding then it is not biblical? I think I get it.

that is why False teachers are sited on this thread . I got it

 

[stonesoffire]

Zmouth –

To your point, ‘experiments’ (cruel as they are) have been done since ancient times by taking two children and putting them in a place where there is minimal human contact to see what language they end up speaking, thus, determining man’s “first language”.

One such experiment was purportedly done by an Egyptian nobleman/pharaoh (?) who instructed that the children were to be cared for, fed, etc. as normal, but that no person, under penalty of death, could talk to them, nor were they to be exposed to any language whatsoever.

As the story goes, one of the children spoke the word “bekos” one day and this Egyptian sent for his advisors to determine what was said and what language it was said in. Apparently he was informed that the word meant ‘bread’ in some regional dialect of Greek (something like that) and the Egyptian was forced to concede that man’s first language was Greek and not Egyptian as he thought it would be.

Now obviously, this is just a story, though supposedly it did take place, and I’m pretty sure the child was indeed spoken to, despite the punishment if caught. It does serve to illustrate the point that language is a learned thing – it must be done through interaction.

Children can acquire multiple languages far easier and quicker than any adult can – providing they have constant contact with the speakers of said languages.

What is interesting to me is that T-speech is not a written phenomenon; it's spoken only - no one writes in T-speech unless it's something that's been transcribed.

One can write prophetically. Is how the scriptures were written. Even yet one can. Comes the same way as tongues.

 

[Zmouth]

I am not understanding the connection you are making.

Are you saying that since, theoretically the acquisition of language is an inherent ability of the brain, then tongues is an inherent ability to the believer by the holy spirit.

Since the acquisition of language only occurs during a specific time period called "the critical period of development" then it can't be the inherent ability of the brain. Once the window of opportunity is passed a child will never be able to obtain the ability to speak and communicate using the spoken 'word'.

Tongues in the scriptures can be interpreted in different ways, it can be interpreted as language or speech.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. Gen 11:1

And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Gen 11:6

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. Gen 11:9

These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.Gen 10:20

These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.Gen 10:31

And my tongue shall speak of thy righteousness and of thy praise all the day long. Ps 35:28

While it is called the forbidden experiment, science cannot test what is know and observe in nature from children that have been exposed to this period of non-human contact during the younger years. These cases involved children that were lost and were able to survive on their own, when later found after years later they were unable to speak or communicate using the language. Extensive efforts were made to teach them language yet the child never was able to develop the ability to speak or communicate using the spoken word.

The most recent case involve a child that a victim of child abuse. (Genie) The child was kept in the attic of the home and was never exposed to any human interaction. When discovered by authorities at 13 yo. the child was unable to speak or communicate using the spoken word. However, despite years of extensive efforts to teach them, feral children never develop any ability to speak or communicate using the spoken word. However, you will need to research the matter since the interpretations of the findings have been revised to present a somewhat different impression than one would obtain if they viewed the video evidence.

 

[CS1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKIteAul6Z8

Bible Flock box teaching is from SDA. and doesn't believe in the doctrine of the trinity, hell torment for ever, . The video on YouTube does an ok Job exposing this " Bible flock Box Exposed. The man in the Video on " tongues exposed " name is Greg"


He is Seven day Adventist
he teaching against:

1. hell eternal torment
2. the Trinity
3. Eternal security
4. heaven
5. holds to elan White false teachings

The sad thing is if the thread is only for those who hold to not speaking in tongues and this video is used as the " Biblical " source to prove that tongues is of the devil and not biblical why would one use a false teacher to make that point?

Then mask it over with this statement:

"I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed."


To use a false teacher to edify those who maybe on the fence about the gifts of the Holy Spirit ? Yet the assertion is those who speak in tongues are demon possessed and the video's teacher has no :

1. biblical education that can be verified
2. name that can be verified
3. publishing , or church supported statement of faith i.e. "what we believe"

This Greg is a Joke ! and a false teacher and is presented as an authority on biblical Gifting of the Holy Spirit .
The only victims are those who listen to this false teacher and think it is edifying.

I would be very embarrassed to have my name attached to this as creditable source for biblical study, debate , and edification.

I thought you all would like to know that

I notice there is no more speaking on the source provided ? but More redirecting to other scientific explanation to the Working of the Holy Spirit Outside the Word of God which is very interesting to me because of the vast amount of those who say " the Word of God only ".

 

[Zmouth]

Zmouth –

To your point, ‘experiments’ (cruel as they are) have been done since ancient times by taking two children and putting them in a place where there is minimal human contact to see what language they end up speaking, thus, determining man’s “first language”.

One such experiment was purportedly done by an Egyptian nobleman/pharaoh (?) who instructed that the children were to be cared for, fed, etc. as normal, but that no person, under penalty of death, could talk to them, nor were they to be exposed to any language whatsoever.

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Since the Egyptians did not have a written language using the spoken word, by rather hieroglyphics where were used so they could remember what they were told but a person that had not heard could not read, I find the ancient account as lacking credibility.

 

[CS1]

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Since the Egyptians did not have a written language using the spoken word, by rather hieroglyphics where were used so they could remember what they were told but a person that had not heard could not read, I find the ancient account as lacking credibility.

the Egyptians who drew the hieroglyphics spoke in languages which the bible confirms

 

[Zmouth]

Nobdoy wirtes uisng Togunes?

 

[Zmouth]

the Egyptians who drew the hieroglyphics spoke in languages which the bible confirms

Did not say they didn't speak using a language, yet heiroglyphics are not using the written spoken word.

Even Moses who was trained in all the wisdom of Egyptian could not write the tables of stone.

Ex 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deut 9:10
And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

 

[CS1]

Did not say the didn't speak using a language, yet heiroglyphics are not using the written spoken word.

Even Moses who was trained in all the wisdom of Egyptian could not write the tables of stone.

Ex 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deut 9:10
And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

it not THAT Moses could not it is that God did.

 

[Zmouth]

So how did you learn to read and write, by yourself or did somebody teach you.

You can give a child a crayon and paper and they can draw a picture and tell what they it means; nobody can pick up a book an read it without being taught.


And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isa 29:12

 

[Zmouth]

it not THAT Moses could not it is that God did.

Can you provide any evidence where the Egyptians ever used the written spoken word?

 

[CS1]

Can you provide any evidence where the Egyptians ever used the written spoken word?

I never said that I said the bible has proof the Egyptians spoke in a language . The context of the post you re-posted was in context to

"Even Moses who was trained in all the wisdom of Egyptian could not write the tables of stone. "
Moses did not write the tables because GOd did as the Bible says

 

[CS1]

I notice there is no more speaking on the source provided ? but More redirecting to other scientific explanation to the Working of the Holy Spirit Outside the Word of God which is very interesting to me because of the vast amount of those who say " the Word of God only ".

again I think this thread has changed to another redirection due to the false teaching that has been revealed of "Bible Flock box and "Greg"

 

[plainguy]

Has anything important or any revelation come from speaking in tongues?

Yes ... definitely. But you'd have to go back to the apostolic era prior to the completion of canon to find it. Today you can simply read God's written Word to us

 

[Zmouth]

I never said that I said the bible has proof the Egyptians spoke in a language . The context of the post you re-posted was in context to

"Even Moses who was trained in all the wisdom of Egyptian could not write the tables of stone. "
Moses did not write the tables because GOd did as the Bible says

It is also written,

And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Ex 34:27-28

 

[CS1]

It is also written,

And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Ex 34:27-28

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