For Non Tongue Speakers Only

[peacefulbeliever]

And how do you display your righteous anger when people are speaking in supernatural babbling tongue but are unbelievers?

Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Satan has a supernatural tongue that has been in the world as vain & profane babbling BEFORE Pentecost's God's gift of tongues came which was of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the ?. . . Here is what that verse is telling you. - Don't go to mediums and spiritists for answers to your questions but rather ask God . . . Why go to those who speak to the dead?

Unbelievers cannot speak in tongues because they are not born again of the Spirit and it is the spirit that gives utterance. Satan does NOT have a "supernatural tongue". Satan can only use what he knows and what is at least half truths. He knows other languages; He knows NOW the gift that God gives and one of the manifestations of that gift . . he can use that knowledge to attack or demean Christianity - which is what he does. The difference would be if a demon causes you to speak in another language it's not in your control . . . You couldn't start, you couldn't stop, you would be taken over. - That's not God . . . Genuine tongues cannot be counterfeited.

If you are to prove all things and abstain from all appearances of evil, how can you separate yourself from the world's tongues if you have a supernatural tongue that comes without interpretation the same as theirs?

This is why John said not to believe every spirit but test them. 1 John 4:1

Paul gave the bottom line on God's gift of tongues and that it was of other men's lips to speak unto the people. He never spoke of tongues plainly in any other way in clarifying the subject of tongues other than in 1 Corinthians 14:20-22.

Speaking in tongues is NOT evil . . .

other men's lips to speak unto the people. . . 1 Cor. 14:21,22 . . In the law it is written - Isaiah 28:7-11 (paraphrased) Assyrian army attacking Israel. God came to Israel again and again by Prophets, to turn them from their evil. The Prophets spoke to the Israelites in Hebrew, a language they could understand . . . Israel didn't want to turn from evil and completely ignored the Prophets . . . So the Assyrian army comes through to trash Israel . . . They rape, pillage, and burn . . . they steal and kill and they are going to speak Assyrian and you are not going to understand but you know that I came to you time and again speaking to you in a language you should have understood and you didn't get it. So seeing and hearing this, the Israelites might wake up and say "Why is this happening to us?" Maybe you will come back to your senses about your sin and your idolatry. - Bottom line - the language they didn't understand was to get them to wake up to what God was doing and what God had done. That is why tongues are a sign for unbelievers - unbelievers can listen to someone speaking in tongues and say, Wow - Where did that language come from? They won't understand the language but they understand that God is moving powerfully . . . Yet some will still ignore - . . . but even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.

Yes, Paul spoke plainly concerning speaking in tongues . . . Any one who speaks in tongues does not speak to people but to God. . . Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, . . . I would like everyone of you to speak in tongues . . . The one who prophecies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, UNLESS someone interprets, so that the church may be edified, i.e. in a church setting . . . do not forbid speaking in tongues

Believers are reading their kind of tongue into scripture and out of context as to what Paul was saying in that chapter as to why when any believer that are zealous for spiritual gifts, to seek the gift of prophesy, because tongues is not a stand alone gift for it needs to be interpreted when manifested in the assembly or otherwise understood by a foreigner.

Anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to people but to God . . . Tongues is not a gift but a manifestation of THE GIFT, the gift of holy spirit . . .

When believers do not get any other gifts of the Spirit by feeling the Holy Spirit coming over them in bring that gift apart from salvation, why is it that they believe God's gift of tongues comes in that way of feeling the Holy Spirit coming over them separate from salvation and yet this tongue comes with no interpretation & is just vain & profane babbling?

Find me a scripture that says we should "feel the Holy Spirit coming over us"? "vain and profane babbling" - has nothing to do with tongues. All tongues come with no interpretation unless the person speaking believes to interpret and that is only in a church setting. Tongues without interpretation is between you and God.

This is John warning believers today not to believe every spirit but test them 1 John 4:1. Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world 1 John 4:4 meaning since the Holy Spirit is in you since you were saved, then any spirit coming over a believer and filling that believer in bringing that tongue which is the way the world speaks is not the Holy Spirit nor God's gift of tongues. 1 John 4:5-6

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.....[SUP]4 [/SUP]Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.[SUP]6 [/SUP]We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Who gave Paul the revelation to write those 3 chapters in 1 Corinthians to fully explain spiritual matters to the believer?
If a church is utilizing the manifestation of the Spirit against what is written . . . it is either through ignorance of the scripture or they are over reacting to their emotions. That is how we test the spirit whether it be of God . . .

Yes, greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world . . . he that is in me is the one who poured out the promise of the Father . . . When I believed I was sealed with that holy spirit of promise, I received the gift of holy spirit and it is my responsibility to utilize the gift I have been given - that will enable me to walk in love, to walk in power, to be more like Christ. Post after post after post - this subject has been explained to you . . . makes you think about that verse in Isaiah 28 where God told them and told them what was going to happen if they did not turn from their evil ways . . so with other tongues and through the lips of foreigners (the Assyrians) I will speak to this people, BUT EVEN THEN THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME, says the Lord.

 

[CS1]

It is also written,

And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Ex 34:27-28

the great thing about your post and the one I just did they both are in the Word of God unlike the source used in this thread by Bible Flock and aka Greg

 

[peacefulbeliever]

It seems most Christians' view of tongues ranges from apathy ("why should we care? Jesus didn't speak in tongues.") to actively speaking against it and condemning it (see Enow's posts).

In Acts 2, upon receiving the Holy Spirit, the apostles spoke in tongues.

In Acts 10, Peter knew that Cornelius and his family had received the Holy Spirit because they spoke in tongues.

In Acts 19, the first thing Paul asked the believers about was whether they had received the Holy Spirit. They hadn't even heard of it. Paul taught them, prayed for them, and the result was they spoke in tongues.

Paul spoke in tongues more than the entire Corinthian church (1 Cor 14:18).

Paul (writing by revelation) said that he wanted all of them to speak in tongues (1 Cor 14:5a).

In Eph 6:18, Paul (writing by revelation) encourages Christians to always pray in the Spirit, and we know from 1 Cor 14 that praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues.

In Jude 1:20, Christians are encouraged to build themselves up by praying in the Holy Spirit.

It seems to me that this is something all Christians, rather than being apathetic, should at LEAST be curious about. And Christians should NEVER condemn it (1 Cor 14:39).

Also note that in Acts 2, 10, and 19, there is no record of the people who spoke in tongues giving the interpretation, so Enow's claim that tongues without interpretation is "tongues of the devil" is without merit.

AMEN! . . . . . .

 

[UnderGrace]

That is because it is all a mystery.

The mind is not involved only the spirit.

Nobdoy wirtes uisng Togunes?

 

[Zmouth]

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But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; 1 Thess 1:5

 

[CS1]

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; 1 Thess 1:5

I think you missed a word :
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

The word "NOT "

the word Not is important because the context is changed when you left it out

 

[wolfwint]

This thread is for non tongue speakers to be free to edify one another and sharing short videos exposing tongues without interpretation which is also not being understood by a foreigner as not of the Lord.

I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.....[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP]21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
The devil's tongues which is vain & profane babbling existed in the world before Pentecost; therefore since we are to prove all things and abstain from all appearances of evil, God's gift of tongues can never be just vain & profane babbling.

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Here is a short video of a fellow believer reproving vain tongue speakers for using Mark 16:17-18 for that kind of tongue.

I point out though that he should have clarified that no one is to test the Lord our God by that reference of Mark 16:17-18 as Paul did not do that when he was attacked by a viper in that other reference that the guy talked about in reproving using Mark 16:17-18 in that way.

[video=youtube;eRVomV3PgOw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRVomV3PgOw[/video]

To add to this video... he had referred to Revelation 13:13, but I would point out the warning to the church at Thyatira as speaking in tongues without interpretation as speaking the utter depths of Satan for which they speak.

Revelation 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;[SUP] 19 [/SUP]I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.[SUP]25 [/SUP]But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

If any of you like to share a short video from Youtube to expose that kind of tongues as not of the Lord, feel free to do so.

You can even share a video by a vain tongue speaker to reprove it by commentary with scripture if you prefer.

I can't stop those who defend tongues from replying, but I thought it would be nice to have just a thread where tongue speakers do not feel like they are being victimized for having that kind of tongue to avoid this thread altogether.

I believe in God's gift of tongues to speak unto the people, but all believers when zealous for spiritual gifts, are to seek the gift of prophesy which is to edify the body of believers in your normal tongue. Seek that instead of tongues.

The problem in the whole discussion is, that Pentecostals and Charismatics interprete the scripture different. 1. for to justify the doctrine with the empowering of the Holy Spirit which some call 2nd baptism, they have to interpreter scripture different. 2. The treat the scripture as it should used in the Apostolic days.
3. They do not consider that this gift anyhow disapearedin the first centurys in the meaning for the church.
So there is in fact no Base for discussion.
We will claim our view of the scripture and they theirs.
So God our Father has to show us what is wRing and right.

 

[Enow]

this is a very interesting Thread
The question I have and will take up with Admin is can a thread be made that does not allow all the member s to see or even challenge?
On this Web page . In every thread all members have the right to participate. The only things that are not allowed are the rules which list them. I will close this thread until further clarity from Admin. Thank you

Do feel free to read the OP again. I can't stop tongue speakers from joining the discussion, It was an attempt for non tongue speakers to discuss without offending the tongue speakers. The attempt failed.

As much as tongue speakers are complaining about another thread against tongues, I had thought I would spare them.

The thread is hardly exclusive; are not tongue speakers replying? Am I reporting them for replying? No.

And if they get offended for whatever the reason, that is on them for reading the thread, right?

But apparently, a mutual discussion between non tongue speakers and those wondering about it seems far gone now.

Trying to exhort those wondering about it to seek the gift of prophesy if they were zealous for spiritual gifts like Paul said to do while examining what some non tongue speakers believe is not of Him because it comes with no interpretation.

If you want to talk about exclusivity, the thread on the benefits of speaking in tongues excludes those who do not speak in tongues because the thread will not benefit non tongue speakers, and yet I say God's gift of tongues is supposed to by speaking unto the people or otherwise interpreted.

Do you see that exclusivity? That thread shows off how those who speak in tongues that does not come with interpretation benefit the tongue speaker in so many different ways that one wonder why tongue speakers need any one, specifically non tongue speakers when they can get self edification, giving of praise, giving of thanks, prayer and whatever else 88 assigns to tongues without interpretation as only benefiting the tongue speaker.... leaving the non tongue speaker out in the cold.

It's like a tongue speaker are each their own individual worship service. They do not need any one else to interpret that tongue for it to be fruitful, but somehow they are doing all of that, but they do not know what or which tongue is being done, but hey, as long as they babbling in tongue, they glory in all the special self benefits apart from profiting the body of Christ.

No matter how you cut it, tongue speakers are being exclusive and they do not even know it. They are showing off when it comes to tongues without interpretation, glorying in themselves because of all the benefits that comes by tongues.

And some speak of receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation when they get that tongue.

Some say they get tongues at their salvation even though they had been a believer for some time, but they changed the testimony as to when they were saved by that supernatural phenomenon...

And leaving some in the dark, wondering if they are saved at all without asking about it because they are afraid to.

You guys are not listening to some of the tongue speakers in how they get tongues. You are not sensitive to the fall out of not correcting those individuals that say otherwise. It's like, they had a supernatural experience of the Holy Ghost which is inconsistent with our faith as to when you had received the Holy Ghost at your salvation, but you do not want to say anything in case you might be wrong and it was the Holy Ghost that came later on in life on the saved believer.

Where is the forum's statement on tongues? How can you defend the faith in Jesus Christ when believers gets tongues by so many different ways that you cannot avoid the fall out when newbie wonder if they are really saved or not because they did not feel the Holy Spirit coming over them when they had come to & believed in Jesus Christ nor spoke in tongue either.

Exclusivity is the charge against tongue speakers that defend tongues without interpretation, and how they got that tongue as separate from salvation when they had come to & believed in Him at the calling of the gospel and you do not see that?

I am not reporting you guys for your exclusivity, but if you really believe I was being exclusive, then why have I not reported any tongue speaker for replying to this thread?

 

[Enow]

When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the ?. . . Here is what that verse is telling you. - Don't go to mediums and spiritists for answers to your questions but rather ask God . . . Why go to those who speak to the dead?

Unbelievers cannot speak in tongues because they are not born again of the Spirit and it is the spirit that gives utterance. Satan does NOT have a "supernatural tongue".

The Bible proved that Satan does have a supernatural tongue in Isaiah 8:19 and that was before Pentecost and still active today. That peep and mutter is the vain and profane babbling spoken about.

When the Bible said what God's gift of tongues were to do is speak unto the people in their native tongue, then why would God do a confusing thing and turn it around to be just senseless babble? Answer; He would not because He is not the author of confusion.

When it has been prophesied that some may depart from the faith and give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 that is about believers going astray in chasing after seducing spirits for a sign of tongues, thinking that is the Holy Spirit and that tongue which comes with no interpretation is just the Spirit's prayer language. It is not when John 16:13 says it is not plainly and in truth as there can be no departing from that truth.

 

[garee]

Unbelievers cannot speak in tongues because they are not born again of the Spirit and it is the spirit that gives utterance. Satan does NOT have a "supernatural tongue". Satan can only use what he knows and what is at least half truths. He knows other languages; He knows NOW the gift that God gives and one of the manifestations of that gift . . he can use that knowledge to attack or demean Christianity - which is what he does. The difference would be if a demon causes you to speak in another language it's not in your control . . . You couldn't start, you couldn't stop, you would be taken over. - That's not God . . . Genuine tongues cannot be counterfeited.

A distinction must be made between tongues (a sign of those who believe not prophecy) and those who do believe prophecy. They appose each other. In all cases God does the interpreting. We do not put our trust in the private interpretations of men. Demons cannot cause a person to speak in a language unknown to the speaker. Speaking words into the air is simply child’s play

Again it’s the hearing of prophecy not the speaking into the air of the rebellious.

Genuine tongues is a sign to those who believe not it cannot be counterfeited by using words that have meaning.
Find me a scripture that says we should "feel the Holy Spirit coming over us"? "vain and profane babbling" - has nothing to do with tongues. All tongues come with no interpretation unless the person speaking believes to interpret and that is only in a church setting. Tongues without interpretation is between you and God.

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Tongues without interpretation is between you and the author of confusion. Words have meanings.

 

[CS1]

The problem in the whole discussion is, that Pentecostals and Charismatics interprete the scripture different. 1. for to justify the doctrine with the empowering of the Holy Spirit which some call 2nd baptism, they have to interpreter scripture different. 2. The treat the scripture as it should used in the Apostolic days.
3. They do not consider that this gift anyhow disapearedin the first centurys in the meaning for the church.
So there is in fact no Base for discussion.
We will claim our view of the scripture and they theirs.
So God our Father has to show us what is wRing and right.

the problem with the thread is a false teacher was used by those who say other are not biblical and have not come clean on it :

No all Pentecostals are as you suggest and the Bible Flock box is more out of line and in error than main line Pentecostal churches lol

ag
cogic
four sq
Nez

all hold to the Trinity which caused the split from oneness
all hold to SDA as a theological cult.
the doctrine from the ag , four sq, cogic Southern baptist theology only in the gifts of the Spirit was there and issue and it was not until it became a movement. Church History which is well documented.

Bible Flock Box and aka Greg was used as a creditable source to refute the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and used by those who think they are correct concerning 1cor chapter 12, 13, and 14 LOL

 

[garee]

That is because it is all a mystery.

The mind is not involved only the spirit.

Mystery revealed in parables that have meaning. The idea that the mind is not involved takes away the spiritual meanings as a understanding that could come from God . No secret language.

Mysteries unknow are done in parables that have no spiritual meaning.Promoting confusion and calling it thinking is to amuse one self.

Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parablesmysteries )

 

[Zmouth]

I think you missed a word :
For our gospel came not unto you inwordonly, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

The word "NOT "

the word Not is important because the context is changed when you left it out

Your right, I was looking at the three being one, in word,but in power and in the Holy Ghost,

 

[UnderGrace]

I hear you, I read your OP that way, it was not to about excluding but creating a separate space, I had no idea people were going to be so offended.

There have been other you tube videos posted on CC which many have regarded as false teaching...interesting this video received such vehemence. And I am not saying I agree with the video, but the reaction is very telling.

Do feel free to read the OP again. I can't stop tongue speakers from joining the discussion, It was an attempt for non tongue speakers to discuss without offending the tongue speakers. The attempt failed.

As much as tongue speakers are complaining about another thread against tongues, I had thought I would spare them.

The thread is hardly exclusive; are not tongue speakers replying? Am I reporting them for replying? No.

And if they get offended for whatever the reason, that is on them for reading the thread, right?

But apparently, a mutual discussion between non tongue speakers and those wondering about it seems far gone now.

Trying to exhort those wondering about it to seek the gift of prophesy if they were zealous for spiritual gifts like Paul said to do while examining what some non tongue speakers believe is not of Him because it comes with no interpretation.

If you want to talk about exclusivity, the thread on the benefits of speaking in tongues excludes those who do not speak in tongues because the thread will not benefit non tongue speakers, and yet I say God's gift of tongues is supposed to by speaking unto the people or otherwise interpreted.

Do you see that exclusivity? That thread shows off how those who speak in tongues that does not come with interpretation benefit the tongue speaker in so many different ways that one wonder why tongue speakers need any one, specifically non tongue speakers when they can get self edification, giving of praise, giving of thanks, prayer and whatever else 88 assigns to tongues without interpretation as only benefiting the tongue speaker.... leaving the non tongue speaker out in the cold.

It's like a tongue speaker are each their own individual worship service. They do not need any one else to interpret that tongue for it to be fruitful, but somehow they are doing all of that, but they do not know what or which tongue is being done, but hey, as long as they babbling in tongue, they glory in all the special self benefits apart from profiting the body of Christ.

No matter how you cut it, tongue speakers are being exclusive and they do not even know it. They are showing off when it comes to tongues without interpretation, glorying in themselves because of all the benefits that comes by tongues.

And some speak of receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation when they get that tongue.

Some say they get tongues at their salvation even though they had been a believer for some time, but they changed the testimony as to when they were saved by that supernatural phenomenon...

And leaving some in the dark, wondering if they are saved at all without asking about it because they are afraid to.

You guys are not listening to some of the tongue speakers in how they get tongues. You are not sensitive to the fall out of not correcting those individuals that say otherwise. It's like, they had a supernatural experience of the Holy Ghost which is inconsistent with our faith as to when you had received the Holy Ghost at your salvation, but you do not want to say anything in case you might be wrong and it was the Holy Ghost that came later on in life on the saved believer.

Where is the forum's statement on tongues? How can you defend the faith in Jesus Christ when believers gets tongues by so many different ways that you cannot avoid the fall out when newbie wonder if they are really saved or not because they did not feel the Holy Spirit coming over them when they had come to & believed in Jesus Christ nor spoke in tongue either.

Exclusivity is the charge against tongue speakers that defend tongues without interpretation, and how they got that tongue as separate from salvation when they had come to & believed in Him at the calling of the gospel and you do not see that?

I am not reporting you guys for your exclusivity, but if you really believe I was being exclusive, then why have I not reported any tongue speaker for replying to this thread?

 

[CS1]

Do feel free to read the OP again. I can't stop tongue speakers from joining the discussion, It was an attempt for non tongue speakers to discuss without offending the tongue speakers. The attempt failed.

As much as tongue speakers are complaining about another thread against tongues, I had thought I would spare them.

The thread is hardly exclusive; are not tongue speakers replying? Am I reporting them for replying? No.

And if they get offended for whatever the reason, that is on them for reading the thread, right?

But apparently, a mutual discussion between non tongue speakers and those wondering about it seems far gone now.

Trying to exhort those wondering about it to seek the gift of prophesy if they were zealous for spiritual gifts like Paul said to do while examining what some non tongue speakers believe is not of Him because it comes with no interpretation.

If you want to talk about exclusivity, the thread on the benefits of speaking in tongues excludes those who do not speak in tongues because the thread will not benefit non tongue speakers, and yet I say God's gift of tongues is supposed to by speaking unto the people or otherwise interpreted.

Do you see that exclusivity? That thread shows off how those who speak in tongues that does not come with interpretation benefit the tongue speaker in so many different ways that one wonder why tongue speakers need any one, specifically non tongue speakers when they can get self edification, giving of praise, giving of thanks, prayer and whatever else 88 assigns to tongues without interpretation as only benefiting the tongue speaker.... leaving the non tongue speaker out in the cold.

It's like a tongue speaker are each their own individual worship service. They do not need any one else to interpret that tongue for it to be fruitful, but somehow they are doing all of that, but they do not know what or which tongue is being done, but hey, as long as they babbling in tongue, they glory in all the special self benefits apart from profiting the body of Christ.

No matter how you cut it, tongue speakers are being exclusive and they do not even know it. They are showing off when it comes to tongues without interpretation, glorying in themselves because of all the benefits that comes by tongues.

And some speak of receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation when they get that tongue.

Some say they get tongues at their salvation even though they had been a believer for some time, but they changed the testimony as to when they were saved by that supernatural phenomenon...

And leaving some in the dark, wondering if they are saved at all without asking about it because they are afraid to.

You guys are not listening to some of the tongue speakers in how they get tongues. You are not sensitive to the fall out of not correcting those individuals that say otherwise. It's like, they had a supernatural experience of the Holy Ghost which is inconsistent with our faith as to when you had received the Holy Ghost at your salvation, but you do not want to say anything in case you might be wrong and it was the Holy Ghost that came later on in life on the saved believer.

Where is the forum's statement on tongues? How can you defend the faith in Jesus Christ when believers gets tongues by so many different ways that you cannot avoid the fall out when newbie wonder if they are really saved or not because they did not feel the Holy Spirit coming over them when they had come to & believed in Jesus Christ nor spoke in tongue either.

Exclusivity is the charge against tongue speakers that defend tongues without interpretation, and how they got that tongue as separate from salvation when they had come to & believed in Him at the calling of the gospel and you do not see that?

I am not reporting you guys for your exclusivity, but if you really believe I was being exclusive, then why have I not reported any tongue speaker for replying to this thread?

friend you used a source of a false teacher and one who studies under a lady who teaches error and falsely.

your choice to use Bible Flock Box and aka Greg No name guy not me.
it is not exhortation using false teachers as certifiable and creditable sources. But that is what was done .
I will not address you last thread above or your questions because the thread source is from a false teacher . You can redirect all you want but I will post again for you and maybe you can explain why you used a false teacher as a discernible, creditable, and reliable source to refute the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as for today as the bible teaches LOL

 

[CS1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKIteAul6Z8

Bible Flock box teaching is from SDA. and doesn't believe in the doctrine of the trinity, hell torment for ever, . The video on YouTube does an ok Job exposing this " Bible flock Box Exposed. The man in the Video on " tongues exposed " name is Greg"


He is Seven day Adventist
he teaching against:

1. hell eternal torment
2. the Trinity
3. Eternal security
4. heaven
5. holds to elan White false teachings

The sad thing is if the thread is only for those who hold to not speaking in tongues and this video is used as the " Biblical " source to prove that tongues is of the devil and not biblical why would one use a false teacher to make that point?

Then mask it over with this statement:

"I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed."


To use a false teacher to edify those who maybe on the fence about the gifts of the Holy Spirit ? Yet the assertion is those who speak in tongues are demon possessed and the video's teacher has no :

1. biblical education that can be verified
2. name that can be verified
3. publishing , or church supported statement of faith i.e. "what we believe"

This Greg is a Joke ! and a false teacher and is presented as an authority on biblical Gifting of the Holy Spirit .
The only victims are those who listen to this false teacher and think it is edifying.

I would be very embarrassed to have my name attached to this as creditable source for biblical study, debate , and edification.

I thought you all would like to know that

I think it was missed by the redirecting of the thread originator back by request :
I feel so victimized ahahahha excuse me Vindicated

 

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friend you used a source of a false teacher and one who studies under a lady who teaches error and falsely.

What post did you address that and which video are you referring to?

your choice to use Bible Flock Box and aka Greg No name guy not me.
it is not exhortation using false teachers as certifiable and creditable sources. But that is what was done .
I will not address you last thread above or your questions because the thread source is from a false teacher . You can redirect all you want but I will post again for you and maybe you can explain why you used a false teacher as a discernible, creditable, and reliable source to refute the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as for today as the bible teaches LOL

Feel free to overlook this paragraph in the OP but it is there. Repeating it below;

"I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed."

Not every video will align with what I believe or what every non tongue speaker believes which is why i is open to criticism in according to His words.

But you are free to criticize but you have to prove your statements, okay?

Which video are you referring to? And where is your source for criticism as well as what false teaching is that guy under for what you are claiming, came by that lady, whatever her name was?

By the way, any believer teaching something false can be seen as a false teacher. If you saw something false, it is your job to point it out, and reprove it by the scripture, and not just saying so. So what post did you do that in?

 

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By the way, any believer teaching something false can be seen as a false teacher. If you saw something false, it is your job to point it out, and reprove it by the scripture, and not just saying so.

Your teaching that tongues without interpretation is "tongues of the devil" is a false teaching, making you a false teacher.

Myself and a few others have pointed it out, and provided scripture as to why you are wrong.

You may be a wonderful Christian in many aspects of your life, but your understanding of tongues and the things you teach about tongues are wrong.

One day you'll know this. Possibly not in this life, but one day you will know that you were wrong to believe and teach the things you do about speaking in tongues.

 

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I hear you, I read your OP that way, it was not to about excluding but creating a separate space, I had no idea people were going to be so offended.

There have been other you tube videos posted on CC which many have regarded as false teaching...interesting this video received such vehemence. And I am not saying I agree with the video, but the reaction is very telling.

I had posted 2 videos, and I have yet to understand which one CS1 is jumping up and down about of this guy being under a lady whom is a false teacher. He is free to criticize, but he should do so with substance and sources and at least a link to back up his criticism, and not just saying so.

Any video is open to criticism by non tongue speakers. I had this stated in the OP below:

"I just think that a thread should be provided so that tongue speakers will not feel victimized as we share videos and criticize the videos in according to His words or add to the video, edification so that those whom are on the fence about that kind of tongue, the Lord may help them not to seek after it, but after the gift of prophesy instead as Paul instructed."

I was kind of hoping for iron sharpening iron in this thread by non tongue speakers so as to avoid debates with tongue speakers.

Anyway, if there is something I have overlooked in either video, I do not mind the correction or criticism in light of His words, either by tongue speakers or non tongue speakers, but it should be with sources by at least one link which we can only provide one link in a post anyway, substance, and scripture.

Proverbs 27:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Anyway, here is oping that if anybody was wondering about tongues and spiritual gift, I hope they consider Paul's words to seek the gift of prophesy from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace and not tongues at all.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort......[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

 

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Anyway, here is oping that if anybody was wondering about tongues and spiritual gift, I hope they consider Paul's words to seek the gift of prophesy from the Lord Jesus Christ at that throne of grace and not tongues at all.

1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.