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You can answer this one. Did the Galatians receive God's Spirit because they took a turtle dove to the Levite Priests to perform the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial, ceremonial "works of the Law" for remission of sins the Jews were still pushing on the Galatians? Or did they "turn to God" and His Righteousness, and repent and bring works worthy of repentance?
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I was going to address that too, but decided not to.
It is true. Obedience is about bringing the desires of the flesh into submission.
By growing the qualities/fruit of the Spirit within us the desires of our flesh are brought into submission. That is the spiritual battle we wage and which God says we have the victory in. We are warriors who bring our sinful desires into submission to us. That is how we reign with Christ, now and in the age to come. We have authority and power over created flesh and bring it into submission to us instead of it bringing us into submission to it.
The curse of God on humanity is that creation have authority over humanity. Created things tell us what to do. In Christ, we get that authority back and we rule over creation. Instead of our bodies and various substances telling us what to do and when to do it we take authority over it and say, "not gonna happen, back off, I rule over you now. I have this power and authority in Christ."
It is true. Obedience is about bringing the desires of the flesh into submission.
By growing the qualities/fruit of the Spirit within us the desires of our flesh are brought into submission. That is the spiritual battle we wage and which God says we have the victory in. We are warriors who bring our sinful desires into submission to us. That is how we reign with Christ, now and in the age to come. We have authority and power over created flesh and bring it into submission to us instead of it bringing us into submission to it.
The curse of God on humanity is that creation have authority over humanity. Created things tell us what to do. In Christ, we get that authority back and we rule over creation. Instead of our bodies and various substances telling us what to do and when to do it we take authority over it and say, "not gonna happen, back off, I rule over you now. I have this power and authority in Christ."
Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?...
Galatians 3:5
Of course it's a good verse AND it has everything to do with your thread.
You are posting verses about works being rewarded and I'm posting that the Bible says; we are not rewarded for our works we are all that we are because of Jesus. We have the blessings of God IN Christ., not IN and because of our works. Our inheritance is found not in our works of righteousness that we have done... but 100% because of what Jesus gave us IN and because of His righteousness.
Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?...
Galatians 3:5
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So he is going to go to trust self. and that is going to work (smh) and then he is going to go where?
It is called rock bottom, and what happens? You always return to christ. (I have done this myself many a time, and I have witnessed it in MANY many a time.
What you fail to understand is that if your FAITH is in God, then the ONLY way your FAITH will fail is if GOD becomes untrustworthy.
The only people who lose faith are people that never trusted God to begin with. Their house was built on the sand, and trials and tribulations came, and the house was destroyed, But those who build their house on the rock, it will never be destroyed. Because it is all rooted in Christ.
John said they, meaning all of them.. It is not a horrible mistake. the horrible mistake would be to make John said somethign HE NEVER SAID.
He said THEY (those who now reject Christ) vs YOU (you have been born of God and do not need to be taught, because you know the truth.
wow man, He said who he spoke of. those who left and NOW DENY CHRIST.
Of course he warned others not to leave, it would be foolish for him to assume they all were believers. Even James told us to test our faiht make sure it is real and not a claimed faith only.
why did you skip the most important part of that passage? IF WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE BEGINNING ABIDES IN YOU,, what does this mean?? IF YOUR SAVED, Those who are saved HAVE THE WORD ABIDING IN THEM (the gospel)
see what happens when youi pick and chose words and ignore the rest?
It is called rock bottom, and what happens? You always return to christ. (I have done this myself many a time, and I have witnessed it in MANY many a time.
What you fail to understand is that if your FAITH is in God, then the ONLY way your FAITH will fail is if GOD becomes untrustworthy.
The only people who lose faith are people that never trusted God to begin with. Their house was built on the sand, and trials and tribulations came, and the house was destroyed, But those who build their house on the rock, it will never be destroyed. Because it is all rooted in Christ.
John said they, meaning all of them.. It is not a horrible mistake. the horrible mistake would be to make John said somethign HE NEVER SAID.
He said THEY (those who now reject Christ) vs YOU (you have been born of God and do not need to be taught, because you know the truth.
wow man, He said who he spoke of. those who left and NOW DENY CHRIST.
Of course he warned others not to leave, it would be foolish for him to assume they all were believers. Even James told us to test our faiht make sure it is real and not a claimed faith only.
why did you skip the most important part of that passage? IF WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE BEGINNING ABIDES IN YOU,, what does this mean?? IF YOUR SAVED, Those who are saved HAVE THE WORD ABIDING IN THEM (the gospel)
see what happens when youi pick and chose words and ignore the rest?
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By doing what Jesus said,
Seek after the things of the spirit NOT TH FLESH
Learn to LOVE OTHERS. and LET GOD TAKE CARE OF YOU.
Is our root (faith) in Christ, or is it in self.
Like Christ, Paul stopped trying to take care of himself and stopped worrying aboout all his probles, He started worrying about other people.
Thats how he did it. Thats how he considered all his sufferings a momentary light affliction.
Seek after the things of the spirit NOT TH FLESH
Learn to LOVE OTHERS. and LET GOD TAKE CARE OF YOU.
Is our root (faith) in Christ, or is it in self.
Like Christ, Paul stopped trying to take care of himself and stopped worrying aboout all his probles, He started worrying about other people.
Thats how he did it. Thats how he considered all his sufferings a momentary light affliction.
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Somewhere in my posts I said we nurture the fruit of the Spirit in us by turning away from the loves of the world and seeking God in the study of God's word and praising and worshiping him.
The key for me was just knowing that's what it's all about. Having godly character according to the fruit of the Spirit is what the Christian life is all about.
You can teach all the classes you want. You can attend all the church services you want. You can serve in all the church programs you want. You can evangelize all the people you want. Those things are great, but they will not bring you into the obedience of the Spirit. The only thing that will get you from here to there is having the fruit of the Spirit growing and flourishing in your heart. Make that your goal in all your reading and studying and worshiping and you will have what you need to live the pleasing life God has commanded us to live.
It's ALL about having the fruit of the Spirit.
One of my life verses:
"for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking (the practices of 'religion'), but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."-Romans 14:17
If this means you need to get out of the cold dead church you're in, then so be it! Get around people who are alive in the Spirit and thriving and who teach others how to be alive. Cold dead liturgy won't get you there. Vibrant fellowship in the Holy Spirit through Bible study and praise and worship and honest open fellowship will.
The key for me was just knowing that's what it's all about. Having godly character according to the fruit of the Spirit is what the Christian life is all about.
You can teach all the classes you want. You can attend all the church services you want. You can serve in all the church programs you want. You can evangelize all the people you want. Those things are great, but they will not bring you into the obedience of the Spirit. The only thing that will get you from here to there is having the fruit of the Spirit growing and flourishing in your heart. Make that your goal in all your reading and studying and worshiping and you will have what you need to live the pleasing life God has commanded us to live.
It's ALL about having the fruit of the Spirit.
One of my life verses:
"for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking (the practices of 'religion'), but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."-Romans 14:17
If this means you need to get out of the cold dead church you're in, then so be it! Get around people who are alive in the Spirit and thriving and who teach others how to be alive. Cold dead liturgy won't get you there. Vibrant fellowship in the Holy Spirit through Bible study and praise and worship and honest open fellowship will.
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Obedience is about putting the needs of others above your own needs. It is about trusting God to take care of your needs, So no matter how bad things get, you will still serve others, and not self. It is about working out our salvation, and taking that which is within us and producing fruit as it goes out from us (the power of God) it is not worrying about this life, because you KNOW this life is but short lived, and ETERNITY is forver, so in context. this life is nothing compared to eternity. so nothing can hurt you, even if it kills your (your secure in Christ, and in salvation. )
Yes., all true. But what I'm learning to focus on is we cannot put new wine into old wine skins. The new and living way is about the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus setting us free from the law of sin and death. Rom.8:2 That is done via our new man created after the image of Christ.
One can't co exist with the other. They are opposed to one another. We can only defeat the flesh when we are walking in the Spirit (or new man)
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Have peace in you. Have self control in you. Have forgiveness in you. Have compassion in you (that's the biggee). Have joy in you. Have patience in you. Etc.
When you have this power in you, you will have the energy and motivation and all you need to then do righteous works of obedience and service for God.
Get the power of these qualities of the Spirit in you through Bible study, fellowship, and praise and worship, and a turning away from the loves of the world. And lose the cold dead liturgy. It's worthless toward changing the heart.
When you have this power in you, you will have the energy and motivation and all you need to then do righteous works of obedience and service for God.
Get the power of these qualities of the Spirit in you through Bible study, fellowship, and praise and worship, and a turning away from the loves of the world. And lose the cold dead liturgy. It's worthless toward changing the heart.
