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Well idk you're right I don't know all that at all but i can only comment on what i see sorry but still the mood is very hostile here i think you can agree.
NEXT i didn't see it my fault but if you already have shown what you believe is true why are you still here? Just an honest question I've done similar things and usually my heart wasn't in the right place, either way i would step away for a bit and just honestly just think on what's being said by both of you ( this is for the other guy too). Maybe he doesn't understand what you're saying but regardless of name calling that doesn't give anyone the right to be rude for the sake of being rude it seems both sides are pretty heated honestly so maybe just breath and calm down or just say what you have to say and leave this isn't the kind of character Christ showed to us, please just try to avoid arguing it's not helping anything.
NEXT i didn't see it my fault but if you already have shown what you believe is true why are you still here? Just an honest question I've done similar things and usually my heart wasn't in the right place, either way i would step away for a bit and just honestly just think on what's being said by both of you ( this is for the other guy too). Maybe he doesn't understand what you're saying but regardless of name calling that doesn't give anyone the right to be rude for the sake of being rude it seems both sides are pretty heated honestly so maybe just breath and calm down or just say what you have to say and leave this isn't the kind of character Christ showed to us, please just try to avoid arguing it's not helping anything.
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what should I say? should I say please show me the post wherein someone used the words 'the law of Christ must be obeyed to maintain salvation?'
ok...well then...please open my eyes that I might see...glimpses of this word theology...cause I have not seen, nor have I heard, where this expression was said, except by your word
ummm....do you really see works to obtain and obedience to PROVE, illustrate, indicate or show, righteousness?
thankfully leaving in a few to hit the stores
Isn't telling people that there is Rest in Christ a part of preaching the gospel?
Why would someone mock the gospel and then out of the other side of their mouth preach "obedience"?
Must be because they don't understand what they are talking about to begin with. And if they do understand then they are taking off the sheep costume and showing themselves to be the wolves they are.
Why would someone mock the gospel and then out of the other side of their mouth preach "obedience"?
Must be because they don't understand what they are talking about to begin with. And if they do understand then they are taking off the sheep costume and showing themselves to be the wolves they are.
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Thats fine, You are not my friend either, NO ONE who states obedience must be done in order to maintain salvation is my friend, I grew up in your legalism, It almost destroyed my life, I witnessed it destroy many a peoples life. I wil not stand for it I will not sit idly by while people like you mock others, judge others, and have then cry you are being mocked.
Deal with it?
THOSE WHO ARE SAVED WILL WORK!!
1 John 2: [SUP]4 [/SUP]He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
1 John 3:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
You keep posting that verse, news flash it does not support your legalistic dogma.
1. It says those who are going to heaven DOES GODS WILL. (NOT MIGHT DO GODS WILL) which I staed earlier, those who have faith WILL WORK. not your nonsense of might work
2. The people in that verse did works in Jesus name, The cast out demons, They prophesied in Jesus name, and they did MANY WORKS in jesus name, How well did those works save them? THE DID WHAT YOUR CLAIMING IN THIS THREAD WE SHOULD DO!! but what was their probelm?
3. JESUS NEVER KNEW THEM, do you know the word never and what it means, IT MEANS NEVER. they were NEVER SAVED PERIOD, they did not HAVE SALVATION and not do enough works to keep it, THEY NEVER HAD IT!!
4. It also said they CONTINUE IN SIN. why? John answered, He who sins has NEVER seen God or NEVER KNOWN God. Their works of righteousness did not save them, keep them saved or maintain their salvation.
NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but BY HIS MERCY HE SAVED US
How dare you try to add works to the gospel of Christ? HOW DARE YOU!!
Deal with it. No wait, you can not deal with it.. Yes I stand up to you. Yes I will dispute you. ,BECAUSE YOU ARE DANGEROUS TO THE CHURCH OF GOD
Deal with it?
THOSE WHO ARE SAVED WILL WORK!!
1 John 2: [SUP]4 [/SUP]He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
1 John 3:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
You keep posting that verse, news flash it does not support your legalistic dogma.
1. It says those who are going to heaven DOES GODS WILL. (NOT MIGHT DO GODS WILL) which I staed earlier, those who have faith WILL WORK. not your nonsense of might work
2. The people in that verse did works in Jesus name, The cast out demons, They prophesied in Jesus name, and they did MANY WORKS in jesus name, How well did those works save them? THE DID WHAT YOUR CLAIMING IN THIS THREAD WE SHOULD DO!! but what was their probelm?
3. JESUS NEVER KNEW THEM, do you know the word never and what it means, IT MEANS NEVER. they were NEVER SAVED PERIOD, they did not HAVE SALVATION and not do enough works to keep it, THEY NEVER HAD IT!!
4. It also said they CONTINUE IN SIN. why? John answered, He who sins has NEVER seen God or NEVER KNOWN God. Their works of righteousness did not save them, keep them saved or maintain their salvation.
NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but BY HIS MERCY HE SAVED US
How dare you try to add works to the gospel of Christ? HOW DARE YOU!!
Deal with it. No wait, you can not deal with it.. Yes I stand up to you. Yes I will dispute you. ,BECAUSE YOU ARE DANGEROUS TO THE CHURCH OF GOD
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not sure how you managed it, but you misunderstand what I wrote...I wrote I cannot stand the argument wherein the basic premise to said argument, is actually saying works and obedience are kissing cousins...almost 3000 pages of it now; I reference that thread that seems to be the 'without beginning or end' and I don't really mean that in a good way
I am agreeing with you
however....I never ever exit because someone told me to
but I am agreeing with you
easy there big fellah
not sure how you managed it, but you misunderstand what I wrote...I wrote I cannot stand the argument wherein the basic premise to said argument, is actually saying works and obedience are kissing cousins...almost 3000 pages of it now; I reference that thread that seems to be the 'without beginning or end' and I don't really mean that in a good way
I am agreeing with you
however....I never ever exit because someone told me to
but I am agreeing with you
easy there big fellah
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we agree!! Amen and AMEN
Now if you would just stop saying it is essential to maintain salvation, but is part of being sanctified in christ. We could maybe see eye to eye
But no You will continue to slander people and say they take obedience lightly, do not care about it, and think it is meaningless.
Then get mad when people call you out for it.
Now if you would just stop saying it is essential to maintain salvation, but is part of being sanctified in christ. We could maybe see eye to eye
But no You will continue to slander people and say they take obedience lightly, do not care about it, and think it is meaningless.
Then get mad when people call you out for it.
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so you can not answer the question?
I never said someone in this thread said the law of moses must be obeyed to maintain salvation now did I?
I asked what the difference is between those who say we must obey the law to maintain salvation and this op. which says obeying the law of Christ must be obeyed to maintain salvation.
Can you answer?
I never said someone in this thread said the law of moses must be obeyed to maintain salvation now did I?
I asked what the difference is between those who say we must obey the law to maintain salvation and this op. which says obeying the law of Christ must be obeyed to maintain salvation.
Can you answer?
As for the "slander" part.......those of you here began that at the very first part of this Thread......and then you cry when you get it back? too too funny.......
You, and others here (and, yes, I am breaking my word by responding.....so sue me) KEEP trying to put it off on me.
Put on your big boy pants and take it up with Jesus. He is the one who said it! I quoted what He said!
Here...........deal with what Jesus said!
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Now, call Jesus out and tell Him how He does not understand Grace. Shoot, He REALLY expects us TO DO SOMETHING? Boy, is He confused about Grace......right?
Go ahead......call Him out!
You, and others here (and, yes, I am breaking my word by responding.....so sue me) KEEP trying to put it off on me.
Put on your big boy pants and take it up with Jesus. He is the one who said it! I quoted what He said!
Here...........deal with what Jesus said!
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Now, call Jesus out and tell Him how He does not understand Grace. Shoot, He REALLY expects us TO DO SOMETHING? Boy, is He confused about Grace......right?
Go ahead......call Him out!
The rivers of living water flow out of Christ they do not flow into Christ.
Our obedience flows out of Christ not into Christ. Any obedience I demonstrate is because of what Christ has done and is doing in me. My weakness not my strength is what God uses to glorify Himself in me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Our obedience flows out of Christ not into Christ. Any obedience I demonstrate is because of what Christ has done and is doing in me. My weakness not my strength is what God uses to glorify Himself in me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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well, just before I go...I don't care for your intimidation tactics...you REALLY have the wrong number if you think you are going to take me to task..ridiculous ...truly ridiculous...when someone...ANYONE...DEMANDS attention in this forum
your question is wrong to begin with which is why I said what I did
NO ONE said what you say they said
no one...which is why you cannot prove that someone did...so you come back and demand instead of being the person you wish you really were (that loving and kind Bible teacher who tries to see the other side)
you remind me of the big bad wolf in the 3 little pigs
you make up words to ask a question that no one should answer because it has not been stated in this thread and then you get all self righteous and demand an answer...next you will say you won because I did not answer you
but why would I answer something you made up when you choose to be untrue?
and this is why I never ever get involved in that almost 3000 page thread wherein this type of blind aggression continues with good people either quitting or being bannned
don't address me with demands if you expect a response
'slong
The great "cop out" for being a bench warmer........
Yes, the Holy Spirit equips, prepares and gives us the strength to do the Will of God...
BUT WE STILL GOTTA GET UP, GET OUT AND DO IT!
That pesky free will thing..........because there are some here who pay lip service, but remain on the sidelines doing notadarnthing to grow the Kingdom
Yes, the Holy Spirit equips, prepares and gives us the strength to do the Will of God...
BUT WE STILL GOTTA GET UP, GET OUT AND DO IT!
That pesky free will thing..........because there are some here who pay lip service, but remain on the sidelines doing notadarnthing to grow the Kingdom
Thank you for your kind words. And know that we are not alone.....there are many here who believe just as I do, they just don't want to be bothered with the assaults that will come their way if they speak out. And I do not blame them for that. These disputationists are the ONLY THING I have found that can spoil the taste of a good cup of coffee.
