Gay/LGBT "Christian" Singers
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Im not in a position to question Gods will.
James 2:10New International Version (NIV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
James 2:9-11The Message (MSG)
8-11 You do well when you complete the Royal Rule of the Scriptures: “Love others as you love yourself.” But if you play up to these so-called important people, you go against the Rule and stand convicted by it. You can’t pick and choose in these things, specializing in keeping one or two things in God’s law and ignoring others. The same God who said, “Don’t commit adultery,” also said, “Don’t murder.” If you don’t commit adultery but go ahead and murder, do you think your non-adultery will cancel out your murder? No, you’re a murderer, period.
This goes the same for stealing. Stealing a paper clip is still you stealing. In Gods eyes sin is sin. To question Gods will is above my human capabilities.
James 2:10New International Version (NIV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
James 2:9-11The Message (MSG)
8-11 You do well when you complete the Royal Rule of the Scriptures: “Love others as you love yourself.” But if you play up to these so-called important people, you go against the Rule and stand convicted by it. You can’t pick and choose in these things, specializing in keeping one or two things in God’s law and ignoring others. The same God who said, “Don’t commit adultery,” also said, “Don’t murder.” If you don’t commit adultery but go ahead and murder, do you think your non-adultery will cancel out your murder? No, you’re a murderer, period.
This goes the same for stealing. Stealing a paper clip is still you stealing. In Gods eyes sin is sin. To question Gods will is above my human capabilities.
Is this a serious question???
You do understand that God calls this sin, and is one of the works of the flesh and those that engage in this lifestyle will not go to Heaven.
You have seen the scriptures... so if you consider these folks to be "Christians" then you must be of the false grace persuasion eh?
It's very odd that some of these folks support tv preachers like Joel Osteen, Joseph Prince, and other fake and false teachers who do not teach the whole counsel of God and as such are men pleasers not God pleasers.... ear ticklers!
No, Jesus said to lust after a woman is a sin... not doing the act, but harboring the desire is a sin.
This is why the Word tells us to cast down imaginations and every high things that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. (2 Corinthians 10:5)
If lusting after a woman is a sin for a heterosexual man, and it is ... then lusting after strange flesh is sin as well.
That's not true... big difference in willingly and knowingly committing sin against God knowing it's wrong and doing it anyway.... versus falling short of God's perfection such as making mistakes, forgetting things, etc
If you walk after the flesh, you shall die:
Romans 8:13,14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Do you think the Lord is leading these people to be gay and/or think they are gay???
It's not a matter of the gay thing being worse than any other sin... it's a matter of walking after the flesh versus walking after the Spirit.
For those that reject anything from the Old Testament... here's two witnesses from the New Testament:
Galatians 5:18-21
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You might want to quit agreeing with the wisdom of blind mankind and go with what the Lord says... and no, anyone claiming to be "gay" is not qualified to teach God's Word because they have been deceived by satan so listening to self proclaimed "gay christians" is like having a wolf guard the hen house...
Why not go with God's Word and see things from His point of view???... you know, the only point of view that matters!
Jesus gave us the definition of what an intimate union (one that includes sex) should be:
Matthew 19:4-6
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus was referencing what God said in Genesis 5:2... and no He does not even have to mention the gay thing, the sex with animals thing, multiple partners, or any of the other perversions satan has conned people into believing is OK cause... Jesus simply gave us God's definition of what an intimate relationship is and that is between a man (born as a man) and a woman (born as a woman)...
This is so simple people have to have help to misunderstand it which of course what satan is offering to do... help people misunderstand God's Word.
Yes, and He will do so based on what His Word says... His Word judges and those like yourself you reject God's Word on this subject are living in sin:
Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Having pleasure in them that do these things = agreement with them in their sin, not opposing their sin
You might want to take Galatians 5:18-21 and 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 seriously and quit being a cherry picker!... false grace is corrupting your mind dude.
You do understand that God calls this sin, and is one of the works of the flesh and those that engage in this lifestyle will not go to Heaven.
You have seen the scriptures... so if you consider these folks to be "Christians" then you must be of the false grace persuasion eh?
It's very odd that some of these folks support tv preachers like Joel Osteen, Joseph Prince, and other fake and false teachers who do not teach the whole counsel of God and as such are men pleasers not God pleasers.... ear ticklers!
No, Jesus said to lust after a woman is a sin... not doing the act, but harboring the desire is a sin.
This is why the Word tells us to cast down imaginations and every high things that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. (2 Corinthians 10:5)
If lusting after a woman is a sin for a heterosexual man, and it is ... then lusting after strange flesh is sin as well.
That's not true... big difference in willingly and knowingly committing sin against God knowing it's wrong and doing it anyway.... versus falling short of God's perfection such as making mistakes, forgetting things, etc
If you walk after the flesh, you shall die:
Romans 8:13,14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Do you think the Lord is leading these people to be gay and/or think they are gay???
It's not a matter of the gay thing being worse than any other sin... it's a matter of walking after the flesh versus walking after the Spirit.
For those that reject anything from the Old Testament... here's two witnesses from the New Testament:
Galatians 5:18-21
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You might want to quit agreeing with the wisdom of blind mankind and go with what the Lord says... and no, anyone claiming to be "gay" is not qualified to teach God's Word because they have been deceived by satan so listening to self proclaimed "gay christians" is like having a wolf guard the hen house...
Why not go with God's Word and see things from His point of view???... you know, the only point of view that matters!
Jesus gave us the definition of what an intimate union (one that includes sex) should be:
Matthew 19:4-6
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus was referencing what God said in Genesis 5:2... and no He does not even have to mention the gay thing, the sex with animals thing, multiple partners, or any of the other perversions satan has conned people into believing is OK cause... Jesus simply gave us God's definition of what an intimate relationship is and that is between a man (born as a man) and a woman (born as a woman)...
This is so simple people have to have help to misunderstand it which of course what satan is offering to do... help people misunderstand God's Word.
Yes, and He will do so based on what His Word says... His Word judges and those like yourself you reject God's Word on this subject are living in sin:
Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Having pleasure in them that do these things = agreement with them in their sin, not opposing their sin
You might want to take Galatians 5:18-21 and 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 seriously and quit being a cherry picker!... false grace is corrupting your mind dude.
In light of these scriptures I wonder if we should start up threads "exposing" ministers of the gospel that exhibit things like malice, deceit and the slandering of others in the body of Christ?
I wonder if we should start threads and create websites dedicated to those pastors amongst us that cause strife and division amongst us?
What about those that deceitfully "twist" what some one is saying to make it appear to be something then what is really being said?
All of these are works of the flesh and they bring destruction to us in some form or other. We should be vehemently against all the works of the flesh. Paul talks about the "leaven" of the Corinthians which is immorality and exhibiting malice and causing strife and divisions and envy amongst them.
The woman in the video was definitely trying to defend her position and she did it by saying that "Why can't see find contentment in a loving partner like heterosexual couples do?" She is trying to get life from others instead of God Himself through Christ - this is a work of the flesh.
Those living in deceitfulness and malice towards others and cause strife and division amongst us are no different then what she is doing. It is all a work of the flesh. They will defend their right to do this type of behavior just as this woman in the video attempted to do.
We Christians that do not have a struggle in a certain area of the flesh that others do love to condemn those that do have a problem in an area that we don't. While we are ripping them apart - we are blind to our own hypocrisy of malice, deceitfulness and envy, slandering of others in the body of Christ and the causing of strife and divisions.
All of these things are destructive to us and this is not condoning homosexual lifestyles but a call to see that all the works of the flesh bring leaven into the church and hurt all of us in the body of Christ.
The answer to those that are obviously deceived such as the Christian woman singer in the video ( as well as those that have malice, are deceitful and slander others, that cause strife and division amongst us ) seems to be 2-fold in nature.
One is this: The operative word here is "you who are spiritual".
Galatians 6:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
And then there are those that are in authority in that local assembly of believers that deal with those that continue to do these trespasses as Paul outlined in 1 Cor. 5:11.
Notice that "revilers" which are slanderers are to be treated the same as those that are immoral as well as thieves..etc. - if there is no repentance.
Some may need to be turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh but that is for those that the Lord Himself has revealed to only those that are in spiritual authority in that local assembly. This is not for every Tom, Dick or Jane that is on the internet.
I wonder if we should start threads and create websites dedicated to those pastors amongst us that cause strife and division amongst us?
What about those that deceitfully "twist" what some one is saying to make it appear to be something then what is really being said?
All of these are works of the flesh and they bring destruction to us in some form or other. We should be vehemently against all the works of the flesh. Paul talks about the "leaven" of the Corinthians which is immorality and exhibiting malice and causing strife and divisions and envy amongst them.
The woman in the video was definitely trying to defend her position and she did it by saying that "Why can't see find contentment in a loving partner like heterosexual couples do?" She is trying to get life from others instead of God Himself through Christ - this is a work of the flesh.
Those living in deceitfulness and malice towards others and cause strife and division amongst us are no different then what she is doing. It is all a work of the flesh. They will defend their right to do this type of behavior just as this woman in the video attempted to do.
We Christians that do not have a struggle in a certain area of the flesh that others do love to condemn those that do have a problem in an area that we don't. While we are ripping them apart - we are blind to our own hypocrisy of malice, deceitfulness and envy, slandering of others in the body of Christ and the causing of strife and divisions.
All of these things are destructive to us and this is not condoning homosexual lifestyles but a call to see that all the works of the flesh bring leaven into the church and hurt all of us in the body of Christ.
The answer to those that are obviously deceived such as the Christian woman singer in the video ( as well as those that have malice, are deceitful and slander others, that cause strife and division amongst us ) seems to be 2-fold in nature.
One is this: The operative word here is "you who are spiritual".
Galatians 6:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
And then there are those that are in authority in that local assembly of believers that deal with those that continue to do these trespasses as Paul outlined in 1 Cor. 5:11.
Notice that "revilers" which are slanderers are to be treated the same as those that are immoral as well as thieves..etc. - if there is no repentance.
Some may need to be turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh but that is for those that the Lord Himself has revealed to only those that are in spiritual authority in that local assembly. This is not for every Tom, Dick or Jane that is on the internet.
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2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Perhaps if Christians would stop patronizing these who are spots and blemishes on our assemblies God would bless our churches with an abundance of souls being saved. Judgment begins at the house of God.
Stop buying their CDs and books. This is not rocket science.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Perhaps if Christians would stop patronizing these who are spots and blemishes on our assemblies God would bless our churches with an abundance of souls being saved. Judgment begins at the house of God.
Stop buying their CDs and books. This is not rocket science.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is a distinct difference that if not understood will confuse the issue of if the homosexual community is just a group of sinners like the rest of us or something more sinister. The distinction is rather clear, there is no sin other then sexual perversion that wants to be classed as a culture/community. No sin organizes lobby groups, parades and festivals to promote their sin.
This effort is purposeful and part of an agenda to force society of bend its knee in acceptance of their chosen lifestyle. They have no desire to change, it is Christianity that must change. It is us who are sinning by not accepting their view of morality.
If Christians cannot see this distinction there is little hope of stopping its effect on the Body of Christ.
This effort is purposeful and part of an agenda to force society of bend its knee in acceptance of their chosen lifestyle. They have no desire to change, it is Christianity that must change. It is us who are sinning by not accepting their view of morality.
If Christians cannot see this distinction there is little hope of stopping its effect on the Body of Christ.
I found an update where these two are getting married.
[video=youtube;FpxY5d3m3rU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=216&v=FpxY5d3m3rU[/video]
Because of this, their "pastor" told them they couldn't lead worship, but they're still singing onstage.
I wonder who's going to do their ceremony?
Anyone have info on this?
[video=youtube;FpxY5d3m3rU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=216&v=FpxY5d3m3rU[/video]
Because of this, their "pastor" told them they couldn't lead worship, but they're still singing onstage.
I wonder who's going to do their ceremony?
Anyone have info on this?
Here's a site that explains the couple still sings for Hillsong NY
https://sojo.net/articles/why-gay-couple-barred-leading-worship-will-keep-singing-hillsong-church
https://sojo.net/articles/why-gay-couple-barred-leading-worship-will-keep-singing-hillsong-church
Actually, I didn't understand what sitting in heavenly places until I searched it out. I stated what it means in my post.
We are Spirit and sit above with Jesus in His finished work. But, we don't get to this until we have been redeemed.
Not judging her heart because her music seems to be a "longing" or desire to get what we already have been given when we born from above.
She was arguing for being born lesbian. God made her this way. Not so. It's a spirit. Not of God.
We are Spirit and sit above with Jesus in His finished work. But, we don't get to this until we have been redeemed.
Not judging her heart because her music seems to be a "longing" or desire to get what we already have been given when we born from above.
She was arguing for being born lesbian. God made her this way. Not so. It's a spirit. Not of God.
Sexual Immorality Defiles the Church
1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that sexual immorality exists among you, and of a kind that is not found even among the gentiles. A man is actually living with his father's wife!
1Co 5:2 And you are being arrogant instead of being filled with grief and seeing to it that the man who did this is removed from among you.
In order for one to repent and turn back for mercy. Is this a hardened heart? Or is this wisdom from the Lord?
1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that sexual immorality exists among you, and of a kind that is not found even among the gentiles. A man is actually living with his father's wife!
1Co 5:2 And you are being arrogant instead of being filled with grief and seeing to it that the man who did this is removed from among you.
In order for one to repent and turn back for mercy. Is this a hardened heart? Or is this wisdom from the Lord?
This is a fair point brother IF we are saying God destroyed Sodom solely because of homosexuality. But the LORD tells us through Ezekiel that IS NOT the root of the sin that caused their destruction. He goes on to say that Israel is sinning worse than them!
[h=2][FONT="]48 “As I live,” says the Lord God, “neither your sister Sodom nor her daughters have done as you and your daughters have done. 49 Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.[b][/FONT]
[FONT="]51 “Samaria did not commit half of your sins; but you have multiplied your abominations more than they, and have justified your sisters by all the abominations which you have done. 52 You who judged your sisters, bear your own shame also, because the sins which you committed were more abominable than theirs; they are more righteous than you. Yes, be disgraced also, and bear your own shame, because you justified your sisters.
Notice verse 49. THAT was what precipitated their destruction.
Spread THE Gospel. Love everyone. Pray!
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[h=2][FONT="]48 “As I live,” says the Lord God, “neither your sister Sodom nor her daughters have done as you and your daughters have done. 49 Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.[b][/FONT]
[FONT="]51 “Samaria did not commit half of your sins; but you have multiplied your abominations more than they, and have justified your sisters by all the abominations which you have done. 52 You who judged your sisters, bear your own shame also, because the sins which you committed were more abominable than theirs; they are more righteous than you. Yes, be disgraced also, and bear your own shame, because you justified your sisters.
Notice verse 49. THAT was what precipitated their destruction.
Spread THE Gospel. Love everyone. Pray!
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Needless to say... Hillsong is a false gospel "ministry" who deceives others into believing that walking after the flesh is all good and OK with God.
1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
2 John 1:9-11
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: [do not bless them, agree, or support them]
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
2 John 1:9-11
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: [do not bless them, agree, or support them]
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Hi everyone..... I was cruising the net & found some videos showing gay/lgbt singers & worship leaders.
I understand this is the BDF, & would encourage others to give their biblical opinions on this issue, as well as names, sites, & videos of christian singers you know that fall into this category.
Thank you in advance for your contributions.
I understand this is the BDF, & would encourage others to give their biblical opinions on this issue, as well as names, sites, & videos of christian singers you know that fall into this category.
Thank you in advance for your contributions.
P
Ill be the first one to admit...I don't know how to love these people. Same with all this terrorist stuff...don't know how to love them.
But I do know one that does....not there acts but them.....Jesus.
I'm no super saint and quite frankly I'm at a struggle here. I pray the Lord raises up people who can love them the way the Lord wants.
I do know it effects the church and the saints alike. I will not cast stones but I will not give up ground either.
It's one of those deals where I just help hold up arms to prevail. Not that anyone asked...lol.
But I do know one that does....not there acts but them.....Jesus.
I'm no super saint and quite frankly I'm at a struggle here. I pray the Lord raises up people who can love them the way the Lord wants.
I do know it effects the church and the saints alike. I will not cast stones but I will not give up ground either.
It's one of those deals where I just help hold up arms to prevail. Not that anyone asked...lol.