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The prevalence of concubinage and the status, rights and expectations of a concubine have varied between cultures, as have the rights of children of a concubine. Whatever the status and rights of the concubine, they were always inferior to those of the wife, and typically neither she nor her children had rights of inheritance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage
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No thanks, The topic of my post was about Ishmael and Isaac and the opinions based on those verses and what scholars have came up with logically speaking.
I have done much research and I Could prove the bible has been edited many times, but that is not why I created this post.
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To other guy who wanted me to just "Believe" and just "trust" the bible is 100% correct, and the word of god would be the death of me. The bible says one thing, yet says another in another verse. There is too many "Men" speaking in this bible and to many different voices giving different opinions. I believe the opinions that Jesus spoke of, not the part where man comes in and gives his own opinions.
I MYSELF follow the old testament, not word for word, but parts that make sense. Jesus said himself he came to fulfill the old law, NOT abolish it. WE christians today have abolished it, (Most of us) We are not following what jesus wanted us to follow.
This goes because we have trusted the men in the bible speaking.
(Please these are just MY views, so learn to respect it and if you want to comment go ahead, but please dont be arrogant or just dont reply. Please)
As to Isaac or Ishmael, Theres no problem with me believing its Isaac, (to the canadian gal) I just am doing depth research in the bible and came across things that dont make sense.
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If I were to just "Believe" like everyone else, then i could be just a Fool like the Fools who were raised to "Believe" Ghandi was god, or a statue is God... God gave me a brain to use it, thats what i am trying to do.
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I LOVE the bible, but there are too many errors when you actually read it brother.
You have read Just ONE version, and you probably never read from all the 4 gospels.
There are literally things that say Opposite things..
In one gospel it says the old scripture is profitable, in the other gospel it says "It is put aside because of its weakness and uselessness" .... Like who gave the authors the right to say these things?
Did they not know in 1000 years millions of people will read your books and have different views.
God said in the Old testament Trust no man.
Answer me this, Why in Mark and Luke are the crusification account so different? Which story do you take?
I have been a student of the Bible for over 50 years and a teacher of the Bible for over 35 of those years. Aside from a few translational issues and some minor manuscript variations, I have found nothing, at least in the Greek texts, that would suggest anything even related to an error. Perhaps you would like to share some of these "errors" that you feel are of such a significant nature to cause you to question the accuracy of the biblical text and be sure to provide us with the evidence from the original language manuscripts to support you claim.
Those are not gospels, as you are referring to things Paul said, Paul, who was chosen in Jesus Christ to be an apostle to the gentiles. The law has been laid aside for those who are saved by grace, for there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. The law was not given to save, but to show us our sin. Only Jesus saves, because none can keep the law perfectly. The law, however, is still in effect, to judge those who refuse the offer of life through the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ, Who paid the sin debt of the world. What you and others might call contradictions are actually complementary details. No two witnesses to any event are going to tell an identical story. If they did, they would rightly be accused of collusion.
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The differences between the gospel accounts exists because of different authors.
Each man wrote in his own style.
The testimony of three witnesses will probably present some challenges to a court. If those differences do not contradict each other, than the testimony is credible.
Was the defendant wearing a cap?
First witness testifies: "Yes, I saw a red cap on his head."
Another witness testifies: "I did not see a red cap."
And a third witness, "I saw something fall from his head."
Different but not contradictory.
The differences between the gospel accounts exists because of different authors.
Each man wrote in his own style.
The testimony of three witnesses will probably present some challenges to a court. If those differences do not contradict each other, than the testimony is credible.
Was the defendant wearing a cap?
First witness testifies: "Yes, I saw a red cap on his head."
Another witness testifies: "I did not see a red cap."
And a third witness, "I saw something fall from his head."
Different but not contradictory.
Let's try to keep it on the open forum. As to your question regarding the separate accounts of the gospels, these are all written to record different aspects of Jesus life and ministry. Each one records different aspects of any given event and none of these different aspects conflict with those presented by one of the other gospel writers. What you have with all four gospel accounts is a composite record. Take all of them together and you have a more complete picture.
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In an american court system, do you know how long the trial would be boasted if three witnesses said these three different things?
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Not to mention we are talking about the "Word of God" which is being claimed here.
The bible today is not the true word of God, the King james version was edited 20 years ago and they took out a verse regarding the trinity. Christian scholars cant agree on if Jesus was sent to heaven Right away or not regarding to the gospels.
Point is, if there is One false claim in the bible, then I PERSONALLY better be sure to make sure what i am Believing from the bible.
Why did they take out the trinity verse? Was the trinity fake? Some christian scholars have disputed that and admitted it was a tradition over time created and that jesus never taught about the trinity.
So This is MY stand, no Offense. But I am just trying to double check what i am believing.
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Why am i so worked up about this? Because when you are raised in a family that tells you to "Just believe in Jesus and everything will be fine, you dont have to do anything else"
Then when a muslim comes and bashes my religion and I cant defend it, and he simply points out a verse that says in my own bible that tells you to repent your sins and turn to god, It just Makes me think about what I have been following man.
Its just annoying
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Not to mention we are talking about the "Word of God" which is being claimed here.
The bible today is not the true word of God, the King james version was edited 20 years ago and they took out a verse regarding the trinity. Christian scholars cant agree on if Jesus was sent to heaven Right away or not regarding to the gospels.
Point is, if there is One false claim in the bible, then I PERSONALLY better be sure to make sure what i am Believing from the bible.
Why did they take out the trinity verse? Was the trinity fake? Some christian scholars have disputed that and admitted it was a tradition over time created and that jesus never taught about the trinity.
So This is MY stand, no Offense. But I am just trying to double check what i am believing.
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Why am i so worked up about this? Because when you are raised in a family that tells you to "Just believe in Jesus and everything will be fine, you dont have to do anything else"
Then when a muslim comes and bashes my religion and I cant defend it, and he simply points out a verse that says in my own bible that tells you to repent your sins and turn to god, It just Makes me think about what I have been following man.
Its just annoying
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Ok But that is not the case brother.
Why are the first three gospels so different then the latest one John?
Why does John make Jesus much more divine than the other gospels?
Why does Johns bible say Jesus carried his own cross when the earlier 3 gospels say simon did?
Why should I follow Johns bible if it has One Lie in there?
I really don't want to say no more because I myself was once offended, and don't like to offend others. Regardless if your offended or not, someone will be.
Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.
So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha).
John 19:16-17
As they were going out (of the city), they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. Matt 27:32
If you accept that Jesus carried the cross to the city outskirts, there is no contradiction.
So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha).
John 19:16-17
As they were going out (of the city), they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. Matt 27:32
If you accept that Jesus carried the cross to the city outskirts, there is no contradiction.
Do not worry about offending me. You will not be able to do that.
Every gospel account is written to focus on different aspects of Jesus. John's gospel was written for the expressed purpose of presenting the deity of Jesus. This aspect of Jesus is certainly found in all of the other gospels but not like it is in John. Matthew, on the other hand, focuses more on the kingly aspect of Jesus. John, not so much. Both are true. In Mark we see Jesus presented as the servant of God. Luke is more focused on Jesus as the Messiah. All are true. As to the carrying of the cross, what we see in the composite is that Jesus had born his own cross as far as he was able and then Simon was pressed into service to carry it the rest of the way. But, I really do not think this is the problem you are having with the different accounts. I think the problem is that you do not believe all the accounts to be the work of the Holy Spirit. These accounts are not the work of the individual writers but of the Spirit of God. The knowledge recorded does not come Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. This is revealed knowledge that is given to them by the Holy Spirit. It is this single fact that renders them inerrant. The Holy Spirit will not contradict himself.
Every gospel account is written to focus on different aspects of Jesus. John's gospel was written for the expressed purpose of presenting the deity of Jesus. This aspect of Jesus is certainly found in all of the other gospels but not like it is in John. Matthew, on the other hand, focuses more on the kingly aspect of Jesus. John, not so much. Both are true. In Mark we see Jesus presented as the servant of God. Luke is more focused on Jesus as the Messiah. All are true. As to the carrying of the cross, what we see in the composite is that Jesus had born his own cross as far as he was able and then Simon was pressed into service to carry it the rest of the way. But, I really do not think this is the problem you are having with the different accounts. I think the problem is that you do not believe all the accounts to be the work of the Holy Spirit. These accounts are not the work of the individual writers but of the Spirit of God. The knowledge recorded does not come Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. This is revealed knowledge that is given to them by the Holy Spirit. It is this single fact that renders them inerrant. The Holy Spirit will not contradict himself.