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The OP refers to a problem of the modern KJV adding the word "only" usually shown in italics in our Bibles, making Isaac seem to be Abraham's only physical son, when the Hebrew makes it clear Abraham had only one son named Isaac, that son of promise. Abram loved Ishmael too, but Ishmael wasn't that son of promise. That principle emerged again between first born sons and brothers, i.e. Esau losing his birthright. The family division began in Gen 21:9 when Sarah was offended over the mocking by Hagar's son Ishmael. The same type of judgment from God came upon him as like Ham received for betraying his father Noah.
Notice in Gen 21:4 Isaac was already born after Ishmael, so the Bible record is clear that Abraham had both sons when Ismael mocked. Your Muslim friend chooses to ignore the record.
When he mocked, he was mocking God who had promised Isaac to Abraham.
Galatians 6:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Mocking men who serve idols is one thing, permitted of Elijah. It is utter foolishness to mock men who are under the promises of God.
The old scriptures were not permanently edited, remaining confirmed all along as unchangeable. The keepers of the scriptures in every generation could spot forgeries. We now have ancient scripts confirming the absence of changes. It always was and remain impossible to edit every oldest copy in the world to make different scriptures appear as anything but alterations of the original. it's impossible to acquire every oldest copy, changing them all, so that all future copies confirm a modern version as authentic. Yet, apparently some Muslims are still ignorant enough to believe the lie.
Notice in Gen 21:4 Isaac was already born after Ishmael, so the Bible record is clear that Abraham had both sons when Ismael mocked. Your Muslim friend chooses to ignore the record.
When he mocked, he was mocking God who had promised Isaac to Abraham.
Galatians 6:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Mocking men who serve idols is one thing, permitted of Elijah. It is utter foolishness to mock men who are under the promises of God.
The old scriptures were not permanently edited, remaining confirmed all along as unchangeable. The keepers of the scriptures in every generation could spot forgeries. We now have ancient scripts confirming the absence of changes. It always was and remain impossible to edit every oldest copy in the world to make different scriptures appear as anything but alterations of the original. it's impossible to acquire every oldest copy, changing them all, so that all future copies confirm a modern version as authentic. Yet, apparently some Muslims are still ignorant enough to believe the lie.
Mohammed never claimed to hear from God or Allah. Actually he was not sure what had accosted him, and only allowed himself -after the fact- to be convinced by his wife and another relative that it was the angel Gabriel that had spoken to him.
I am sorry to see you have been banned so quickly. I could be wrong, but I think you are the same Cupid (Dave) who used to post on another site while I was there from 2007 until the religion forum (along with all others) were removed in October of 2011.
I am sorry to see you have been banned so quickly. I could be wrong, but I think you are the same Cupid (Dave) who used to post on another site while I was there from 2007 until the religion forum (along with all others) were removed in October of 2011.
davidb87, no Isaac was not inserted into the passage. It was Isaac, with whom God tested Abraham. The reason God quoted him as being Isaac's only son, was because God did not recognize Ishmael. He rejected him in Genesis 17:18-21. Because God is a God of covenants and since Isaac was the son of the covenant, Isaac was the only one God recognized. The same as the people of Israel, God's chosen people, they are the only people He have recognized and had dealings with. As stated in Deuteronomy 7:6-9.....For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of Pharaoh King of Egypt. Know therefore that the Lord thy God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.
God of do not recognize others who are not in his covenant, in which those that are in his covenant are called his people; otherwise he doesn't recognize them as people. I Peter 2:9-10 states: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should she's forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into. His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. And as stated in Deuteronomy 32:21...They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger. With their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
So, as you can see God do not acknowledge anyone who are not his people as people. So you can tell your Midlim friend that once again Ishmael is rejected and the wished he was accepted. They keep trying to sneak their people in as God's chosen ones.... I have heard them make many claims to suggest the fact , including that Jesus was a Muslim. Yet the fact remains that the Hebrew Israelites.....the true Jews, not the imposters in the land is God's people. And as Jesus stated in John 10:1..... Verily verily, I say unto you, He that entered not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is as a thief and a robber.
Jayoish
God of do not recognize others who are not in his covenant, in which those that are in his covenant are called his people; otherwise he doesn't recognize them as people. I Peter 2:9-10 states: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should she's forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into. His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. And as stated in Deuteronomy 32:21...They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger. With their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
So, as you can see God do not acknowledge anyone who are not his people as people. So you can tell your Midlim friend that once again Ishmael is rejected and the wished he was accepted. They keep trying to sneak their people in as God's chosen ones.... I have heard them make many claims to suggest the fact , including that Jesus was a Muslim. Yet the fact remains that the Hebrew Israelites.....the true Jews, not the imposters in the land is God's people. And as Jesus stated in John 10:1..... Verily verily, I say unto you, He that entered not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is as a thief and a robber.
Jayoish
David it is only confusing to a people who is not a people God's true people understand perfectly. As stated in Psalms 147:19-20. He shewed his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgements unto Israel. He hath not dealt with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.
So you see you can't understand someone you don't know. You can't know him unless you are taught by Israel. And the modern day churches are not teaching his word and the fake Jews don't know him either, to be able to teach you. You must seek out the true Hebrew Israelites...which are the 12 tribes, not just one. You have Judah (Jews), Levi, Benjamin, Issachar, Joseph, Dan, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Gad, Zebulun, and Asher.
Jayoish
Know you not that is how God designed the Bible? We are all here to be tested. The Bible was made in such a way, that our human understanding of it, will be flawed. It is the Holy Ghost that reveals the understanding of the Word of God, NOT the thinking or the intelligence of men.
How many people read the Bible, and claim it is to confusing, complicated, contradictions? NEVER to read it again? This is a test from God to see who Truly desires to learn the Word of God. Those who read it once never to read it again because of this or that excuse, DO NOT Truly desire to learn the Truth, now do they? Therefore the Holy Spirit of Truth will not reveal any Truths to those such people, because they do NOT have a True desire to learn or understand that Truth.
When i was 10 i started reading the Bible. By the time i was 12 i had read it three time from front to back. After i got done reading it for the third time, i sat on my bed and prayed to God crying (tears and all) "Why Lord, did you make this so complicated, for me to understand? This verse says you can, that verse says you can't? i am your child, Why did you make your Word so difficult to understand? Why Lord? Why? (sobbing) OK, Lord, i will read it again, amen" It was the fourth time i read the Bible that the Holy Ghost started showing me things, epiphanies, lightning strike knowledge. And now that i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, i am still learning things via the Holy Spirit of Truth. How many time have you read the Word of God? Or is it just too confusing to try to understand it?
Know you not, that whether you understand it or not, the Word feeds the Spirit. When the Spirit is strong enough, by the feeding, that is when the Spirit reveals a Truth to you. You will read a verse several times before, but then all of a sudden, like lightning, your understanding opens up, and the Truth of that verse comes to LIFE. That is the Holy Ghost revealing something to you. But if you do not feed the Spirit (read the Word) The Spirit starves, and is not Strong enough to reveal anything to you. So continue to read the Word of God, regardless if you understand it or not, it is feeding the Spirit. Those who read the Bible never to pick it up again, DO NOT have a True desire to learn the Truth, now do they?
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How many people read the Bible, and claim it is to confusing, complicated, contradictions? NEVER to read it again? This is a test from God to see who Truly desires to learn the Word of God. Those who read it once never to read it again because of this or that excuse, DO NOT Truly desire to learn the Truth, now do they? Therefore the Holy Spirit of Truth will not reveal any Truths to those such people, because they do NOT have a True desire to learn or understand that Truth.
When i was 10 i started reading the Bible. By the time i was 12 i had read it three time from front to back. After i got done reading it for the third time, i sat on my bed and prayed to God crying (tears and all) "Why Lord, did you make this so complicated, for me to understand? This verse says you can, that verse says you can't? i am your child, Why did you make your Word so difficult to understand? Why Lord? Why? (sobbing) OK, Lord, i will read it again, amen" It was the fourth time i read the Bible that the Holy Ghost started showing me things, epiphanies, lightning strike knowledge. And now that i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, i am still learning things via the Holy Spirit of Truth. How many time have you read the Word of God? Or is it just too confusing to try to understand it?
Know you not, that whether you understand it or not, the Word feeds the Spirit. When the Spirit is strong enough, by the feeding, that is when the Spirit reveals a Truth to you. You will read a verse several times before, but then all of a sudden, like lightning, your understanding opens up, and the Truth of that verse comes to LIFE. That is the Holy Ghost revealing something to you. But if you do not feed the Spirit (read the Word) The Spirit starves, and is not Strong enough to reveal anything to you. So continue to read the Word of God, regardless if you understand it or not, it is feeding the Spirit. Those who read the Bible never to pick it up again, DO NOT have a True desire to learn the Truth, now do they?
^i^ responding to post #66
Any voice, vision, dream, or Angel that reveals something, if it is contrary to Scriptures, it is from the devil. If an Angel appears to you and tells you many things, and 99% of it matches with Scriptures perfectly, but there is 1% what the Angel said that does NOT line up with Scriptures, that Angel is a devil. Any voice, vision, dream, or Angel, will ALWAYS line up with Scriptures 100% of the time. That is how you test the spirit. If someone comes teaching ANYTHING that is contrary to Scriptures, that person is a false teacher, an anti-christ. ANYONE who teaches any belief, that contradicts even ONE verse in Scriptures, then that person is FALSE, and does not know the Truth. Those who know the Truth, lines up with Scriptures 100%. Does not line up with the belief and teaching of the last days generation though, but what they do teach lines up with the Word of God.
Again, if ANYONE teaches something that is contrary to ANY verse in Scriptures, they do lie and do not know the Truth, no matter how loudly they claim with their mouths they do know the Truth. For example, someone teaches that there is no Hell. Yet that belief contradicts several verses which plainly teach Hell is real. Do not know the Truth, and they are a false teacher because they teach things that contradict the Word of God. If someone teaches that Jesus is the Father, also teaches something that contradicts hundreds of verses which plainly teach Jesus is NOT the Father. If someone teaches that believing in Jesus is enough for Salvation, that is a false teaching because it contradicts the verses that plainly teach, that believing is NOT enough. ANY belief that a person has, if that belief contradicts even ONE VERSE in Scriptures, what they believe is WRONG, and the better change that belief to fit with what Scriptures teach, or else they will be one of the MANY who will be weeping and gnashing their teeth, when they are NOT taken up with Jesus, on that mournful day.
^i^ responding to post #68
Again, if ANYONE teaches something that is contrary to ANY verse in Scriptures, they do lie and do not know the Truth, no matter how loudly they claim with their mouths they do know the Truth. For example, someone teaches that there is no Hell. Yet that belief contradicts several verses which plainly teach Hell is real. Do not know the Truth, and they are a false teacher because they teach things that contradict the Word of God. If someone teaches that Jesus is the Father, also teaches something that contradicts hundreds of verses which plainly teach Jesus is NOT the Father. If someone teaches that believing in Jesus is enough for Salvation, that is a false teaching because it contradicts the verses that plainly teach, that believing is NOT enough. ANY belief that a person has, if that belief contradicts even ONE VERSE in Scriptures, what they believe is WRONG, and the better change that belief to fit with what Scriptures teach, or else they will be one of the MANY who will be weeping and gnashing their teeth, when they are NOT taken up with Jesus, on that mournful day.
^i^ responding to post #68
Taught by Israel? where not the Israelites cut out of the olive branch, and are no longer partakers with Christ? You can't know Him unless you are taught by the HOLY SPIRIT of God, that has nothing to do with Israel.
You need not seek those (men) who were cast out. Do not seek the teachings of men at all, regardless what tribe they belong too. Trust God, not men. Trust the Holy Ghost, not what men teach. Is it not written that Faith cometh by HEARING the Word of God.
Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Gal_3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Therefore read the Word of God, pray for understanding, seek the help of the Holy Spirit, DO NOT rely on what men teach, go to the source your own self. If you were going to take a trip to the Best place ever, would you rely on men to tell you how to get there, or would you get a map for yourself, and KNOW how to get there?
Do not seek out true Hebrew Israelites, seek the Holy Ghost instead.
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You need not seek those (men) who were cast out. Do not seek the teachings of men at all, regardless what tribe they belong too. Trust God, not men. Trust the Holy Ghost, not what men teach. Is it not written that Faith cometh by HEARING the Word of God.
Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Gal_3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Therefore read the Word of God, pray for understanding, seek the help of the Holy Spirit, DO NOT rely on what men teach, go to the source your own self. If you were going to take a trip to the Best place ever, would you rely on men to tell you how to get there, or would you get a map for yourself, and KNOW how to get there?
Do not seek out true Hebrew Israelites, seek the Holy Ghost instead.
^i^ responding to post #70
Fake DiscipleDave, everything you stated is wrong, but that’s no surprise. And your statements, questions and comments are only show how little you know about the bible and the history of his dealing with his chosen people. Let me educate you, answer your questions, and redirect your comments!!!!
1. Taught by Israel? Yes, taught by Israel. The Lord tells Israel in Amos 3:2,. You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. It doesn’t say he will cut them off. Also It states in Psalms 147:19: 19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD. Teach point: In order to understand his word, you must be taught---that is the reason a lot of people do not understand the bible. And GOD gave Israel his words, no other people, so duh they are the only one who know how to teach it correctly! Roman 10:13-15 state: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
2. where not the Israelites cut out of the olive branch, and are no longer partakers with Christ? No, wrong again. As Paul states in Roman 11:1… I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Paul was an Israelite and this was in the new testament, after Christ. Jesus himself called Paul. When Jesus came, he was an Israel of the tribe of Judah, a JEW as they call them. He came to redeem his people. When he was asked for mercy by a woman of Canaan for her daughter which was vexed with a devil, what did he tell her? Matthew 15:24:
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Do this sound like they were cut off? Yes, GOD punished Israel every time they sinned against him, but he did not, and said he would not cut them off because of his covenant with Abraham which he will not break!
4. 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
5. 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
6. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
7. 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Originally Posted by Jayoish
And the modern day churches are not teaching his word and the fake Jews don't know him either, to be able to teach you. You must seek out the true Hebrew Israelites...which are the 12 tribes, not just one. You have Judah (Jews), Levi, Benjamin, Issachar, Joseph, Dan, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Gad, Zebulun, and Asher.
Jayoish
You need not seek those (men) who were cast out. Do not seek the teachings of men at all, regardless what tribe they belong too. Trust God, not men. Trust the Holy Ghost, not what men teach. Is it not written that Faith cometh by HEARING the Word of God. -----Is this your word or GOD’s because he states in Romans 10:13-16, just above your scripture that you must be taught by a preacher who was sent from God (Israel) in order to know him…..in order to believe in him, you got to know him……in order to call upon him, you got to know of him…..Are you calling the Bible a LIE!!!!! Because just above in Roman 3:4, the Bible state every man that cometh against the Bible is a liar. So we know what you are!
Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Gal_3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Therefore read the Word of God, pray for understanding, seek the help of the Holy Spirit, DO NOT rely on what men teach, go to the source your own self. If you were going to take a trip to the Best place ever, would you rely on men to tell you how to get there, or would you get a map for yourself, and KNOW how to get there?
Do not seek out true Hebrew Israelites, seek the Holy Ghost instead. Well, I am sure I cleared up these follies, already. Holy Ghost is the holy word, and you can pray all you want, if you don’t know him…then you can’t pray to him…you can read the word of GOD, but you know you don’t understand, as David87 admitted he doesn’t understand. And as long as you continue to not go to the people who has the oracle of GOD, continue to not understand and be lost. As proven in the New Testament, not old, that GOD has not did away with his people, he sent Jesus to them to save them. All of the disciples where Israelite, as Paul was, and they continued after Christ death.
1. Taught by Israel? Yes, taught by Israel. The Lord tells Israel in Amos 3:2,. You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. It doesn’t say he will cut them off. Also It states in Psalms 147:19: 19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD. Teach point: In order to understand his word, you must be taught---that is the reason a lot of people do not understand the bible. And GOD gave Israel his words, no other people, so duh they are the only one who know how to teach it correctly! Roman 10:13-15 state: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
2. where not the Israelites cut out of the olive branch, and are no longer partakers with Christ? No, wrong again. As Paul states in Roman 11:1… I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Paul was an Israelite and this was in the new testament, after Christ. Jesus himself called Paul. When Jesus came, he was an Israel of the tribe of Judah, a JEW as they call them. He came to redeem his people. When he was asked for mercy by a woman of Canaan for her daughter which was vexed with a devil, what did he tell her? Matthew 15:24:
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Do this sound like they were cut off? Yes, GOD punished Israel every time they sinned against him, but he did not, and said he would not cut them off because of his covenant with Abraham which he will not break!
- You can't know Him unless you are taught by the HOLY SPIRIT of God, that has nothing to do with Israel. Do you know that the holy spirit is? Apparently not, it is his holy word! And that is what David87 stated he did not understand, if it was going to teach him, then why don’t he understand it? Let me tell you, because you have to be taught by Israel, GOD’s people. I know you don’t want to accept that because the true Israelites are black people, but that okay, it doesn’t makes it false. It still remains true! Paul states it best in Roman 3:1-4:
4. 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
5. 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
6. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
7. 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Originally Posted by Jayoish
And the modern day churches are not teaching his word and the fake Jews don't know him either, to be able to teach you. You must seek out the true Hebrew Israelites...which are the 12 tribes, not just one. You have Judah (Jews), Levi, Benjamin, Issachar, Joseph, Dan, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Gad, Zebulun, and Asher.
Jayoish
You need not seek those (men) who were cast out. Do not seek the teachings of men at all, regardless what tribe they belong too. Trust God, not men. Trust the Holy Ghost, not what men teach. Is it not written that Faith cometh by HEARING the Word of God. -----Is this your word or GOD’s because he states in Romans 10:13-16, just above your scripture that you must be taught by a preacher who was sent from God (Israel) in order to know him…..in order to believe in him, you got to know him……in order to call upon him, you got to know of him…..Are you calling the Bible a LIE!!!!! Because just above in Roman 3:4, the Bible state every man that cometh against the Bible is a liar. So we know what you are!
Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Gal_3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Therefore read the Word of God, pray for understanding, seek the help of the Holy Spirit, DO NOT rely on what men teach, go to the source your own self. If you were going to take a trip to the Best place ever, would you rely on men to tell you how to get there, or would you get a map for yourself, and KNOW how to get there?
Do not seek out true Hebrew Israelites, seek the Holy Ghost instead. Well, I am sure I cleared up these follies, already. Holy Ghost is the holy word, and you can pray all you want, if you don’t know him…then you can’t pray to him…you can read the word of GOD, but you know you don’t understand, as David87 admitted he doesn’t understand. And as long as you continue to not go to the people who has the oracle of GOD, continue to not understand and be lost. As proven in the New Testament, not old, that GOD has not did away with his people, he sent Jesus to them to save them. All of the disciples where Israelite, as Paul was, and they continued after Christ death.
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You say that what i said is wrong, yet you do not even once say what it is that i have said that is contrary to Scriptures. If you think something i said is wrong, then tell what i have said, and then show the Scriptures that is contrary to what i have said. How easy is it to merely say that i am wrong, then spout a whole bunch of verses (which i believe 100%) YET do not show where anything that i have said is wrong. If you accuse me of saying something wrong, then SHOW what i have said, then SHOW the Scriptures that proves it to be wrong. You say that i am fake, but have not shown one thing i have said that is contrary to Scriptures, why is that?
What? Do you think i say they were cut off? i do not say they were cut off, the Scripture plainly teach they were cut off. Read Romans Chapter 11. Know you not that Israel is the natural branches? And they were cut off. i am not teaching that they are forsaken. i am not teaching they are gone forever, but they indeed have been cut off. And in the end a remnant of the natural branches will be Saved. Know you not that Scriptures plainly teach they have been cut off.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Scriptures plainly teach this, what do you teach instead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
God punished Israel every time they sinned again Him, when the Old Covenant was in effect. When Jesus Christ came and was crucified a NEW Covenant began. The Promise was taken away from the Israelites and given to the Gentiles.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9: ..... 10. .. . . 11. ..... 12. ... ..
Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. (with Israel) Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
The old covenant is OLD. The Covenant Jesus started is NEW and is to Christians, whether they be Jew or Gentile.
Heb 10:16 This is the (DIFFERENT) covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Not laws written on STONE which is the Old Covenant.
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the WORDS OF THE COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
The Ten Commandments are the Words of the OLD Covenant, as Scriptures plainly teach.
So then according to you, the HOLY Ghost and Jesus Christ are the same thing. Jesus Christ is the Word. The Holy Ghost is not the Word, if you think this, and teach this, then show the Scriptures which support what you are teaching here, if you can't, then how is it not false doctrine? The Holy Ghost is NOT the Son of God, the Holy Spirit of God is NOT Jesus Christ. Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus Christ is the Word, but you teach the Word is the Holy Ghost. Would you like for me to reveal the Scriptures that plainly teach that Jesus Christ is the Word, i can do that for you if you would like, just let me know. But you say and teach the The Holy Spirit is the Word, where is that written, where does that teaching come from, because it is NOT from the Bible, which you say you know so well, because you commented that you are going to teach me concerning the Bible.
You really don't understand the Word of God do you? Where does Scriptures teach that you have to be taught the Truth, via Israel? That is a teaching that comes from YOU, and NOT the Word of God. And then you go and say something like the true Israelites are black people. It doesn't matter if you would have said they were red people, or white people, or green people, that is just plain ignorant. So you are teaching that only Black Israelites can teach the Truth? How old are you, Seriously your 48?
You say you are 48, but your words show like a kid. You call names, such as starting this post with FAKE DiscipleDave, ( like a kid) Then you accuse me of lying but do not show where i have done that (like a kid). Notice what YOU, say above.
Notice how you ADD Your own doctrine, by saying Israel. Read those Scriptures, NOWHERE does it say or teach or even imply ISRAEL, like you have ADDED to fit your OWN DOCTRINE.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
NOTHING about preachers only being Israelites, like YOU teach. Are you saying God can't send a white person to preach? Are you saying that God can't call an Indian to preach? According to YOU, only black Israelites can preach. lol. You make me laugh. i am proof, that you lack the Truth in who is called to preach. i am a white guy called before i was even born to preach the Truth to a generation that will not receive it. You need to start teaching what the Word of God teaches, NOT what you believe is the Truth. You believe the Truth is only Black Israelites can teach the Truth, this is NOT what Scriptures teach, it is what YOU teach, and it is a false doctrine. lol, black preachers are the only ones that can teach the Truth, i imagine even black preachers laugh at the ridiculous claim.
You have? What, because you merely say so, without giving the Scriptures to back up what you teach. lol, you have proven nothing through Scriptures, but have only said you have cleared up those follies, without doing any such thing at all.
Scriptures please? These are the words of men, not from the Word of God. The Holy Word is Jesus Christ, NOT the Holy Ghost, you do error not knowing or understanding the Scriptures, and you do greatly error by not having a teachable spirit to listen to those who do.
Tell me, should i listen to men, or listen to God? If i have communicated with God, spoke with Angels, have had visions and dreams from God, why would i listen to men? Which is better Truth from men, or Truth from God? You go ahead and teach that people should seek out men to learn the Truth, i will continue to teach they should seek out divine knowledge from the Spirit of Truth and NOT from men like you do.
This is what you teach, NOT the Word of God.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
YOU teach contrary to that Holy Inspired Word of God. You teach that there is a difference between Israelites and others. The Word teach that God has not respect of persons. So you go ahead and continue to teach YOUR DOCTRINE, i will continue to teach what the Word of God teaches, as God (not men) instructed me to do.
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What? Do you think i say they were cut off? i do not say they were cut off, the Scripture plainly teach they were cut off. Read Romans Chapter 11. Know you not that Israel is the natural branches? And they were cut off. i am not teaching that they are forsaken. i am not teaching they are gone forever, but they indeed have been cut off. And in the end a remnant of the natural branches will be Saved. Know you not that Scriptures plainly teach they have been cut off. But not cast away!
Yes, I am saying that you said they were cut off, as if permanent to the point where they are no longer his people. When you said go to israel? well they are back and the are waking up and they know who they are and they are starting to come back to their GOD and call on him. that is all is required of them for him accept the back. Yes he turn away from them and hid his face, as he said he would in Deuteronomy 32:20 and ezekiel 7:21-22 which state he will give them into the hands of strangers for prey, as well. but this is as long as they sin against him, otherwise upon their repentence he takes them back and deliver them from the people who spoils them. and he always punish the people…this is going to be very bad for the gentiles who plotted with other nations to cut them off as a nation and erase their history and make sure they do not know who they are, so they can’t return to their god and get delivered. paul warned you not to get cocky and think because you were grafted in that you were his people but you did not listen. just read the history in the book of judges of how over and over israel sinned against god, he punished them by allowing them to be overthrown by another nation, but when they returned to him, he delivered them and punished the nation. every nation who plotted against israel to erase their history and distort it to make it seem like they were africian and what ever other name they put them under…. will have to pay for it. i don’t care if you believe me or not, but that doesn’t change what is true!
however, even paul state he has not cast away his people, if you will read above your scripture you are quoting:
1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
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(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.
9. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10. Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14. If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16. For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Scriptures plainly teach this, what do you teach instead?
I teach what the bible states, that they were not cast away, but punished for their sin and that if they repent and turn back to their God he will receive them back. As stated above in the scripture you quoted. –What shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
This scripture clearly tells you that some of the Israel is and will be lost and it warns Gentiles and other nations that if they be grafted in among the others as partakers, then they should be careful not to glory in self, but fear GOD and know that if they follow after those that sin against him, that he spare not them and they be off as well. If you would read all of the verses you might understand this. Instead of just taking certain scriptures to fit your perception. That I do not do. I read and quote the entire verses for understanding purposes. God punished Israel every time they sinned again Him, when the Old Covenant was in effect. When Jesus Christ came and was crucified a NEW Covenant began. The Promise was taken away from the Israelites and given to the Gentiles.
Yes, GOD did punish Israel every time they sinned, but every time they repented and turn back to him, he delivered them and accepted them back.
You speak of the old covenant and the new covenant I ask you do you know what the new covenant is? Please tell me, because this statement tells me you do not. Worst of all when you say the promise was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles, really tells me you don’t know what you are reading or you don’t read just finds scriptures. Once again, I encourages you to read the entire text to understand what the disciples are telling you, not just one scripture. I disagree with your statement that the promise was taken from Israel and given to gentile, after Jesus made the new covenant, because Jesus made the new covenant with Israel, not the gentile. So this statement does make sense. It was prophesied by the prophet Jeremiah before the coming of the Jesus. Jeremiah 31:31:
31. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
You see the covenant was never made with the Gentiles, but Israel only.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9: ..... 10. .. . . 11. ..... 12. ... .. Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. (with Israel) Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
I tell you once again, to read all verses down to what you are trying to get your point across about, including verses after it , if needed because you pick out one scripture and leave out the others which explains that scripture so you know what the disciples are telling you. So here you go:
1. Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2. A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5. Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11. And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Yes, I am saying that you said they were cut off, as if permanent to the point where they are no longer his people. When you said go to israel? well they are back and the are waking up and they know who they are and they are starting to come back to their GOD and call on him. that is all is required of them for him accept the back. Yes he turn away from them and hid his face, as he said he would in Deuteronomy 32:20 and ezekiel 7:21-22 which state he will give them into the hands of strangers for prey, as well. but this is as long as they sin against him, otherwise upon their repentence he takes them back and deliver them from the people who spoils them. and he always punish the people…this is going to be very bad for the gentiles who plotted with other nations to cut them off as a nation and erase their history and make sure they do not know who they are, so they can’t return to their god and get delivered. paul warned you not to get cocky and think because you were grafted in that you were his people but you did not listen. just read the history in the book of judges of how over and over israel sinned against god, he punished them by allowing them to be overthrown by another nation, but when they returned to him, he delivered them and punished the nation. every nation who plotted against israel to erase their history and distort it to make it seem like they were africian and what ever other name they put them under…. will have to pay for it. i don’t care if you believe me or not, but that doesn’t change what is true!
however, even paul state he has not cast away his people, if you will read above your scripture you are quoting:
1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.9. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10. Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14. If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16. For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Scriptures plainly teach this, what do you teach instead?
I teach what the bible states, that they were not cast away, but punished for their sin and that if they repent and turn back to their God he will receive them back. As stated above in the scripture you quoted. –What shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
This scripture clearly tells you that some of the Israel is and will be lost and it warns Gentiles and other nations that if they be grafted in among the others as partakers, then they should be careful not to glory in self, but fear GOD and know that if they follow after those that sin against him, that he spare not them and they be off as well. If you would read all of the verses you might understand this. Instead of just taking certain scriptures to fit your perception. That I do not do. I read and quote the entire verses for understanding purposes. God punished Israel every time they sinned again Him, when the Old Covenant was in effect. When Jesus Christ came and was crucified a NEW Covenant began. The Promise was taken away from the Israelites and given to the Gentiles.
Yes, GOD did punish Israel every time they sinned, but every time they repented and turn back to him, he delivered them and accepted them back.
You speak of the old covenant and the new covenant I ask you do you know what the new covenant is? Please tell me, because this statement tells me you do not. Worst of all when you say the promise was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles, really tells me you don’t know what you are reading or you don’t read just finds scriptures. Once again, I encourages you to read the entire text to understand what the disciples are telling you, not just one scripture. I disagree with your statement that the promise was taken from Israel and given to gentile, after Jesus made the new covenant, because Jesus made the new covenant with Israel, not the gentile. So this statement does make sense. It was prophesied by the prophet Jeremiah before the coming of the Jesus. Jeremiah 31:31:
31. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
You see the covenant was never made with the Gentiles, but Israel only.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9: ..... 10. .. . . 11. ..... 12. ... .. Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. (with Israel) Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
I tell you once again, to read all verses down to what you are trying to get your point across about, including verses after it , if needed because you pick out one scripture and leave out the others which explains that scripture so you know what the disciples are telling you. So here you go:
1. Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2. A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5. Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11. And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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Now, as you can see reading from the beginning it talks about the high priest which handles the sacrifices. The animal sacrifice law is what Jesus did away with, not the commandments under the old covenant. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice because he could do what bulls and goats could not and that was wash away your sin and leave no remembrance of it. The scripture clearly states (highlighted) this in Hebrew 9th chapter:
1. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4. Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5. And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6.Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8. The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
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15. And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20. Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26. For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
But as far as the old covenant the bible clearly states above that with the old covenant the fault of it was found with the people, not with the actual laws (highlighted)
The old covenant is OLD. The Covenant Jesus started is NEW and is to Christians, whether they be Jew or Gentile.--------can you provide me with the scripture(s) where it states that the new covenant is to christians?
This is what you say, where is your scripture for this? but the bible states in both Jeremiah 31:31 and hebrew 8:8 that the new covenant will be made with the house of judan and house of israel. so who is really speaking their own agenda?
Heb 10:16 This is the (DIFFERENT) covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Not laws written on STONE which is the Old Covenant.-----what does this means? do you know? who is them? who is this covenant with?
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the WORDS OF THE COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
The Ten Commandments are the Words of the OLD Covenant, as Scriptures plainly teach.------ok what is the words of the new covenant? do you know?
So then according to you, the HOLY Ghost and Jesus Christ are the same thing. Jesus Christ is the Word. The Holy Ghost is not the Word, if you think this, and teach this, then show the Scriptures which support what you are teaching here, if you can't, then how is it not false doctrine? The Holy Ghost is NOT the Son of God, the Holy Spirit of God is NOT Jesus Christ. Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus Christ is the Word, but you teach the Word is the Holy Ghost. Would you like for me to reveal the Scriptures that plainly teach that Jesus Christ is the Word, i can do that for you if you would like, just let me know. But you say and teach the The Holy Spirit is the Word, where is that written, where does that teaching come from, because it is NOT from the Bible, which you say you know so well, because you commented that you are going to teach me concerning the Bible.----Yes I do want you to give me the scriptures, please. but in the meanwhile, i stand by what i said and i refer you to john 1:1
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
and first john 5:1-
1. Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6. This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
You really don't understand the Word of God do you? Where does Scriptures teach that you have to be taught the Truth, via Israel? That is a teaching that comes from YOU, and NOT the Word of God. And then you go and say something like the true Israelites are black people. It doesn't matter if you would have said they were red people, or white people, or green people, that is just plain ignorant. So you are teaching that only Black Israelites can teach the Truth? How old are you, Seriously your 48? ---All this is your opinion and your words do not hurt me, because i know you don’t know any better; however, i must correct one statement in here and the rest I will leave alone because there comes a point that you allow people to remain ignornt, if that is what they want. however, you have the misperception that i am teaching that only black israelites can teach the truth, but that is not what i am saying. instead I am saying that only a blacks person can be an israelite. there are no white israelites!!!!!
You say you are 48, but your words show like a kid. You call names, such as starting this post with FAKE DiscipleDave, ( like a kid) Then you accuse me of lying but do not show where i have done that (like a kid). Notice what YOU, say above. ----if the truth hurts then do better, listen sometimes, research, read the bible entirely, not just one scripture and pray ask for understanding or try to get the truth and accept it, no matter how hard it is for you. unlike you, i actually read, consider, prove or disprove whatever a person say, give credit where due, and agree with what is right; however, if i find that what you are saying is wrong then i will debuke it, with proof. you can’t handle the truth that black people are the chosen people. I accept what I can’t change and I suggest you do the same. if you are really after the truth, then prove me wrong and seek after the truth, not just documented lies!
Notice how you ADD Your own doctrine, by saying Israel. Read those Scriptures, NOWHERE does it say or teach or even imply ISRAEL, like you have ADDED to fit your OWN DOCTRINE.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
NOTHING about preachers only being Israelites, like YOU teach. Are you saying God can't send a white person to preach? ----I am saying this is not the protocal and god state i am god and I change not-(malachi 3:6). in other word, he has not in the past and dealt only with israel who is black, so you draw your conclusion. Are you saying that God can't call an Indian to preach? According to YOU, only black Israelites can preach. lol. You make me laugh. i am proof, that you lack the Truth in who is called to preach. i am a white guy called before i was even born to preach the Truth to a generation that will not receive it. You need to start teaching what the Word of God teaches, NOT what you believe is the Truth. You believe the Truth is only Black Israelites can teach the Truth, this is NOT what Scriptures teach, it is what YOU teach, and it is a false doctrine. lol, black preachers are the only ones that can teach the Truth, i imagine even black preachers laugh at the ridiculous claim.-----well dave, the scripture states how shall they preach, except they be sent…..and the bible states in Amos 3:2 that israel only have he know, so duh, they were the only one who were sent to teach the gentile. Paul was an israelite who where the apostles to the gentiles as he stated in Roman 11:1. why must i keep repeating myself, i have given you this but you refuse the truth in the bible. but yet i continue…also psalms 147:19 tells you that he shewed his word and judgments unto israel. roman 3:1-2 tells us the advantage of a jew, being that god gave them his oracles. so if israel was the only people he gave his word, his oracles, then how can anyone else teach it? who is qualified to teach it?
You have? What, because you merely say so, without giving the Scriptures to back up what you teach. lol, you have proven nothing through Scriptures, but have only said you have cleared up those follies, without doing any such thing at all.
Scriptures please? These are the words of men, not from the Word of God. The Holy Word is Jesus Christ, NOT the Holy Ghost, you do error not knowing or understanding the Scriptures, and you do greatly error by not having a teachable spirit to listen to those who do.
Tell me, should i listen to men, or listen to God? If i have communicated with God, spoke with Angels, have had visions and dreams from God, why would i listen to men? Which is better Truth from men, or Truth from God? You go ahead and teach that people should seek out men to learn the Truth, i will continue to teach they should seek out divine knowledge from the Spirit of Truth and NOT from men like you do.
This is what you teach, NOT the Word of God.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.YOU teach contrary to that Holy Inspired Word of God. You teach that there is a difference between Israelites and others. The Word teach that God has not respect of persons. So you go ahead and continue to teach YOUR DOCTRINE, i will continue to teach what the Word of God teaches, as God (not men) instructed me to do.
I have provided, previously and on this posting scriptures for everything I said. I said nothing without scripture, so I will ignore these comments. If you choose not to take the scriptures I have given you, then it is you. the blame game end here and i will allow you to continue to speak with your god and angels, but ask you the question of what god and angel are you speaking with because the bible states israel only have i known of all the people.
Jayoish
Now, as you can see reading from the beginning it talks about the high priest which handles the sacrifices. The animal sacrifice law is what Jesus did away with, not the commandments under the old covenant. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice because he could do what bulls and goats could not and that was wash away your sin and leave no remembrance of it. The scripture clearly states (highlighted) this in Hebrew 9th chapter:
1. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4. Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5. And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6.Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8. The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
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15. And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20. Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26. For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
But as far as the old covenant the bible clearly states above that with the old covenant the fault of it was found with the people, not with the actual laws (highlighted)
The old covenant is OLD. The Covenant Jesus started is NEW and is to Christians, whether they be Jew or Gentile.--------can you provide me with the scripture(s) where it states that the new covenant is to christians?
This is what you say, where is your scripture for this? but the bible states in both Jeremiah 31:31 and hebrew 8:8 that the new covenant will be made with the house of judan and house of israel. so who is really speaking their own agenda?
Heb 10:16 This is the (DIFFERENT) covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Not laws written on STONE which is the Old Covenant.-----what does this means? do you know? who is them? who is this covenant with?
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the WORDS OF THE COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
The Ten Commandments are the Words of the OLD Covenant, as Scriptures plainly teach.------ok what is the words of the new covenant? do you know?
So then according to you, the HOLY Ghost and Jesus Christ are the same thing. Jesus Christ is the Word. The Holy Ghost is not the Word, if you think this, and teach this, then show the Scriptures which support what you are teaching here, if you can't, then how is it not false doctrine? The Holy Ghost is NOT the Son of God, the Holy Spirit of God is NOT Jesus Christ. Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus Christ is the Word, but you teach the Word is the Holy Ghost. Would you like for me to reveal the Scriptures that plainly teach that Jesus Christ is the Word, i can do that for you if you would like, just let me know. But you say and teach the The Holy Spirit is the Word, where is that written, where does that teaching come from, because it is NOT from the Bible, which you say you know so well, because you commented that you are going to teach me concerning the Bible.----Yes I do want you to give me the scriptures, please. but in the meanwhile, i stand by what i said and i refer you to john 1:1
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
and first john 5:1-
1. Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6. This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
You really don't understand the Word of God do you? Where does Scriptures teach that you have to be taught the Truth, via Israel? That is a teaching that comes from YOU, and NOT the Word of God. And then you go and say something like the true Israelites are black people. It doesn't matter if you would have said they were red people, or white people, or green people, that is just plain ignorant. So you are teaching that only Black Israelites can teach the Truth? How old are you, Seriously your 48? ---All this is your opinion and your words do not hurt me, because i know you don’t know any better; however, i must correct one statement in here and the rest I will leave alone because there comes a point that you allow people to remain ignornt, if that is what they want. however, you have the misperception that i am teaching that only black israelites can teach the truth, but that is not what i am saying. instead I am saying that only a blacks person can be an israelite. there are no white israelites!!!!!
You say you are 48, but your words show like a kid. You call names, such as starting this post with FAKE DiscipleDave, ( like a kid) Then you accuse me of lying but do not show where i have done that (like a kid). Notice what YOU, say above. ----if the truth hurts then do better, listen sometimes, research, read the bible entirely, not just one scripture and pray ask for understanding or try to get the truth and accept it, no matter how hard it is for you. unlike you, i actually read, consider, prove or disprove whatever a person say, give credit where due, and agree with what is right; however, if i find that what you are saying is wrong then i will debuke it, with proof. you can’t handle the truth that black people are the chosen people. I accept what I can’t change and I suggest you do the same. if you are really after the truth, then prove me wrong and seek after the truth, not just documented lies!
Notice how you ADD Your own doctrine, by saying Israel. Read those Scriptures, NOWHERE does it say or teach or even imply ISRAEL, like you have ADDED to fit your OWN DOCTRINE.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
NOTHING about preachers only being Israelites, like YOU teach. Are you saying God can't send a white person to preach? ----I am saying this is not the protocal and god state i am god and I change not-(malachi 3:6). in other word, he has not in the past and dealt only with israel who is black, so you draw your conclusion. Are you saying that God can't call an Indian to preach? According to YOU, only black Israelites can preach. lol. You make me laugh. i am proof, that you lack the Truth in who is called to preach. i am a white guy called before i was even born to preach the Truth to a generation that will not receive it. You need to start teaching what the Word of God teaches, NOT what you believe is the Truth. You believe the Truth is only Black Israelites can teach the Truth, this is NOT what Scriptures teach, it is what YOU teach, and it is a false doctrine. lol, black preachers are the only ones that can teach the Truth, i imagine even black preachers laugh at the ridiculous claim.-----well dave, the scripture states how shall they preach, except they be sent…..and the bible states in Amos 3:2 that israel only have he know, so duh, they were the only one who were sent to teach the gentile. Paul was an israelite who where the apostles to the gentiles as he stated in Roman 11:1. why must i keep repeating myself, i have given you this but you refuse the truth in the bible. but yet i continue…also psalms 147:19 tells you that he shewed his word and judgments unto israel. roman 3:1-2 tells us the advantage of a jew, being that god gave them his oracles. so if israel was the only people he gave his word, his oracles, then how can anyone else teach it? who is qualified to teach it?
You have? What, because you merely say so, without giving the Scriptures to back up what you teach. lol, you have proven nothing through Scriptures, but have only said you have cleared up those follies, without doing any such thing at all.
Scriptures please? These are the words of men, not from the Word of God. The Holy Word is Jesus Christ, NOT the Holy Ghost, you do error not knowing or understanding the Scriptures, and you do greatly error by not having a teachable spirit to listen to those who do.
Tell me, should i listen to men, or listen to God? If i have communicated with God, spoke with Angels, have had visions and dreams from God, why would i listen to men? Which is better Truth from men, or Truth from God? You go ahead and teach that people should seek out men to learn the Truth, i will continue to teach they should seek out divine knowledge from the Spirit of Truth and NOT from men like you do.
This is what you teach, NOT the Word of God.
Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.YOU teach contrary to that Holy Inspired Word of God. You teach that there is a difference between Israelites and others. The Word teach that God has not respect of persons. So you go ahead and continue to teach YOUR DOCTRINE, i will continue to teach what the Word of God teaches, as God (not men) instructed me to do.
I have provided, previously and on this posting scriptures for everything I said. I said nothing without scripture, so I will ignore these comments. If you choose not to take the scriptures I have given you, then it is you. the blame game end here and i will allow you to continue to speak with your god and angels, but ask you the question of what god and angel are you speaking with because the bible states israel only have i known of all the people.
Jayoish