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Hezekiah asked Isaiah for God to give him a sign. Was he wicked or adulterous? Zecharias was corrected after asking for a sign, but do we have any right to say that he was wicked or adulterous? The Bible tells us that he and Elizabeth were righteous.
The apostles prayed for God to do signs and wonders. That doesn't mean they are wicked and adulterous.
If a wicked and adulterous seek a sign, that doesn't mean that all who seek a sign are wicked or adulterous. It's the same issue as saying witches drink water, so if you drink water you are a witch. That's a false statement.
Teaching that anyone who seeks a sign is wicked and adulterous condemns righteous men in the Bible. It's a false statement, so I disagree with it. I'm not saying people should 'seek signs.'
But if someone gives a prophecy and a godly believer asks for a sign that it is from the Lord, I'm not going to condemn that person either. It's something to be careful about. Zecharias was deaf for a while for doing that. Of course, Zecharias had just seen an angel in the temple and didn't believe.
M
Clearly the Lord Jesus Christ warns us in direct terms not to seek after signs....you want to excuse that away and go looking for signs...that your choice...but you cannot take away from the Lords warnings and I have put in context how signs follow believers ...Not believers following after signs....Why do you even suggest that the Lords clear and evident words are not true?
When I read this, I want to say 'Duh.'
Jesus did not say that all who sought for signs were evil and adulterous. He said that an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. Jesus is not responsible for your poor logical skills.
Again, compare these statements.
1. "The wicked and adulterous seek a sign."
2. "Witches seek water to drink."
1. "If you seek a sign, you are wicked and adulterous."
2. "If you seek water to drink, you are a witch."
Do you agree with set 1? What about set 2? Do you drink water? Are you a witch?
Both of these are examples of the logical error of affirming the consequent. The wicked and adulterous seek a sign. The idea that all who seek a sign are wicked and adulterous does not logically follow.
I'm not telling people to 'seek after signs.' But I'm pointing out a problem with your logic. You are reading something into Christ's words that Christ did not say.
It wasn't wicked or adulterous of the apostles to pray for God to grant signs and wonders. The wicked and adultery sought a sign. But the apostles also prayed for signs.
The wicked and adulterous use the bathroom. You use the bathroom. Are you wicked and adulterous? The wicked and adulterous put their trousers on one leg at a time. You put your trousers on one leg at a time. Does that make you wicked and adulterous?
In the Old Testament, there were idolatrous kings who asked for signs. Metaphorically, we could call them adulterous, and they were also wicked. They were wicked and adulterous. If such a king came to a prophet seeking a sign, he could have said, 'a wicked and adulterous king seeks a sign.' But if a righteous king like Hezekiah asked for a sign, his asking for a sign didn't make him wicked or adulterous. Hezekiah was dedicated to God, but he did ask for a sign.
Jesus let us know that that generation as wicked and adulterous and that they sought a sign. He doesn't abrogate the legitimate Old Testament custom of a prophet giving a sign for his prophecy.
He did not forbid the apostles from praying for God to do signs and wonders that others might believe.
He doesn't forbid believers from desiring and praying for any spiritual gift, including the working of miracles.
Jesus did not say that all who sought for signs were evil and adulterous. He said that an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. Jesus is not responsible for your poor logical skills.
Again, compare these statements.
1. "The wicked and adulterous seek a sign."
2. "Witches seek water to drink."
1. "If you seek a sign, you are wicked and adulterous."
2. "If you seek water to drink, you are a witch."
Do you agree with set 1? What about set 2? Do you drink water? Are you a witch?
Both of these are examples of the logical error of affirming the consequent. The wicked and adulterous seek a sign. The idea that all who seek a sign are wicked and adulterous does not logically follow.
I'm not telling people to 'seek after signs.' But I'm pointing out a problem with your logic. You are reading something into Christ's words that Christ did not say.
It wasn't wicked or adulterous of the apostles to pray for God to grant signs and wonders. The wicked and adultery sought a sign. But the apostles also prayed for signs.
The wicked and adulterous use the bathroom. You use the bathroom. Are you wicked and adulterous? The wicked and adulterous put their trousers on one leg at a time. You put your trousers on one leg at a time. Does that make you wicked and adulterous?
In the Old Testament, there were idolatrous kings who asked for signs. Metaphorically, we could call them adulterous, and they were also wicked. They were wicked and adulterous. If such a king came to a prophet seeking a sign, he could have said, 'a wicked and adulterous king seeks a sign.' But if a righteous king like Hezekiah asked for a sign, his asking for a sign didn't make him wicked or adulterous. Hezekiah was dedicated to God, but he did ask for a sign.
Jesus let us know that that generation as wicked and adulterous and that they sought a sign. He doesn't abrogate the legitimate Old Testament custom of a prophet giving a sign for his prophecy.
He did not forbid the apostles from praying for God to do signs and wonders that others might believe.
He doesn't forbid believers from desiring and praying for any spiritual gift, including the working of miracles.
M
The point im making is what I believe God has taught me and is backed up in His own clear words recorded in the bible...many are being led astray because they are not considering His words in a real sincere way! The truth don't change...He clearly said its a wicked and perverse generation that seeks after signs...He also said signs would follow those that believe ....Im not sure how anyone could have a issue with what I have posted and not see its the clear biblical standard.