God or Guns?

[RickShafer]

Who's creating?
God is the only one who creates.
David fought for the people of God.
The only reason europe wasn't swallowed up by the islamic hoard was because christian men took up arms,
and aided by the supernatural God of heaven stopped them at Tours in 732 AD.
And later in Vienna in 1529. and 1683. God delivered the christians each time when they called upon His name.
Plus there was another entanglement in between those three that I cannot recall.
From which the christian victories allowed the eventual promulgation of the Bible.
Lay down and fight?
I don't think so.
That's not the way it works.

 

[iog]

i choose GOD, GOD is more powerful than any gun, live by the sword die by the sword. If it's our time to die, it's our time, nothing can change that. Could be eating an apple and choke on it. my faith is in GOD, guns won't save me.

amen.

it is about faith

 

[PS]

Regardless of circumstances, if anyone has shot and killed another, the fact remains, it cannot be denied. Their blood on your hands is proof of guilt.

A bystander or a judge would see a dead person and another person with a gun in their hand. Who do you hang and who does God send to Hell?

 

[loveme1]

We are Children of Peace.



Matthew 10

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

The Messiah tells us clearly not to fear them.

I did not think many here would be prepared to defend with a gun... i see not what you believe you are fighting for?

The greatest Fight will be in Spirit and Truth.

 

[iog]

Personally Id rather have the right to have a gun and choose not to use it, rather than have the right be taken and have no choice

what about your faith in the Lord to take care of his servants?

what about this verses

Luke 21

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

in the last days they will come after Jesus servants (us)
Jesus will give us a mouth to speak wisdom (not a gun)
we will be hated by all men for Jesus name or being a christian
in our patience possess out soul (not our weapon)

 

[iog]

Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

There is a big difference between living by the sword or gun and being prepared. In the US alone guns were used over 2 million times to stop the taking of innocent life being taken by those that would prey on those thought to be weak.

Some may point to Peter use of a sword in the garden when the temple guards came to arrest Jesus. In this case the temple guards where obeying a lawful order to arrest Jesus. Peter drew his sword and struck and by rights the guard could have arrested him or even killed Peter for his attack. This is a case of using it at the wrong time. That Jesus healed the struck man is likely the only reason Peter was not arrested or killed on the spot.

Like the sword a gun can be used defensively. It can be used to protect yourself and your family from harm by killing or injuring an attacker. It can also be used as a club knocking out an attacker under the right circumstances.

What is comes down to is this. You can have a gun and not live by it. Having a gun does not mean you wil die by it either. Just stop for a moment and thing about who really does live by their weapon be it sword or gun.

The Military, Police, Armed Security, Mercenaries/Soldiers of Fortune and Criminals. Because they live by their weapon they will usually die by a weapon. Some do so honorably like the military and some dishonorably like criminals. But, both live by their weapon and will likely die by a weapon. However the person who has a gun for hunting or self defense will likely never die by a weapon in the common course of life.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH

do a christian need a gun or should he rely on Jesus?

 

[RickShafer]

What a bunch of wussies.
God will save you.
Just trust in Him.
Don't raise your head.(Slaves, like domesticated cows, keep it lowered)
Just trust and obey.
Don't say when you see a rape happening, "Oh, that's so wrong", just trust and obey.
Don't defend the weak, just trust and obey.
Don't use the volition God has given you while you are free: to stop a mugging, or a rape, or an assault, or a murder, or an invasion;
just trust and obey.
Just trust and obey,.....until you finally see the thing you are trusting in is your own cowardice.
And the spirit you are obeying is that of the great inquisitor dragon(who doesn't like uppity backtalk B.T.W.)- just move along......

 

[iog]

We are Children of Peace.



Matthew 10



The Messiah tells us clearly not to fear them.

I did not think many here would be prepared to defend with a gun... i see not what you believe you are fighting for?

The greatest Fight will be in Spirit and Truth.

Ephesians 6:11-13


11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

what purpose do the gun serve when our fight is spiritual?

 

[iog]

Proverbs 3:5-6 is my answer.

5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

your faith is in Jesus

 

[iog]

Whether you will it or not, God gave all free will. And some will own guns. So some will die from the use of guns. If you yourself own one, does that give you entire ownership over death? No. Death surrounds us in many forms. Owning a gun does not change the possession of death.

true

but does owning a gun take the vengeance from Jesus hands?
does owning a gun add to the lust of the flesh or temptation?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 4:26Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

 

[iog]

Regardless of circumstances, if anyone has shot and killed another, the fact remains, it cannot be denied. Their blood on your hands is proof of guilt.

A bystander or a judge would see a dead person and another person with a gun in their hand. Who do you hang and who does God send to Hell?

your response remind me of Cain and Abel

Genesis 4:9-11



9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

 

[loveme1]

Daniel 3

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. 17If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. 18But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.



19Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated. 20And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. 23And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

24Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 26Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire. 27And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellers, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

Let the Almighty deliver us, if it is not His will for us to cease then 100 rounds will not kill us.

 

[iog]

Job 1:9-11



9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Jesus will put a hedge around his servants and not even satan can penetrate.

 

[iog]

what are these hedges protecting your house, your family and you?

the hedge stand in the gap it protects us

Isaiah 5:5

And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:

Ezekiel 13:5
Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.

Ezekiel 22:30
And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

 

[iog]

Psalm 91:10-12



10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

 

[RickShafer]

Psalm 91:10-12



10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Tell that to the christians in Somalia.
Tell that to every christian killed for their faith.
Christian pastors are beaten to death every week in India.
No, ignore the facts and why don't you just keep telling it to yourself.

So you are claiming no follower of Christ is ever attacked?
What overturned turnip truck did you crawl out from under?

 

[iog]

A servant of God don't need a gun or weapon The Lord has his Holy angels protecting his servants family and property.

Psalm 34:7



7 The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

 

[RickShafer]

Truly a fascist point of view.
So the people who were killed for their faith really didn't have it?
So much for the crowns of martyrdom.

 

[iog]

Tell that to the christians in Somalia.
Tell that to every christian killed for their faith.
Christian pastors are beaten to death every week in India.
No, ignore the facts and why don't you just keep telling it to yourself.

So you are claiming no follower of Christ is ever attacked?
What overturned turnip truck did you crawl out from under?

Rick

I don't have to tell them anything all they have to do is read Jesus words


Hebrews 11
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

servants of God has always been killed in the name of the Lord

 

[iog]

Truly a fascist point of view.
So the people who were killed for their faith really didn't have it?
So much for the crowns of martyrdom.

where did the Lord tell his servants anything about martydom?