Grace Versus The Law

eternally-gratefull · Dec 9, 2012

And you call james a liar.

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Keep excusing your sin. And condemning others. that makes you a hypocrite.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 9, 2012

Skinski7 said:

Those who believe that you can in fact commit an act of willful transgression and yet remain in a reconciled state, justified before God, are believing that grace is a license to sin. It's that simple.

They believe they CAN go out and commit an act of rebellion to God and remain COVERED by God's grace. Therefore this grace is obviously a license to sin. This is what Jude warned of when he wrote...

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do all these people "deny God and Jesus." Yes they do because they deny the doctrine taught by Jesus. Satan is very slick because he has been able to formulate a false Gospel which sounds truthful because it uses Christian terminology and even present Jesus as dying and resurrecting. It is a very deceptive message which appeals to the flesh because it does not require the flesh be crucified with the passions and desires. The false grace message makes an allowance for the continuation of walking in the flesh. Thus the converts under this system remain double-minded serving two masters when Jesus taught that our eye must be single.

Let me rephrase this for you Skinski, and make it more truthful

Skinski says.

Everyone who does pornography, or sexual sin is condemned. But I can sin all I want, as long as it is not one of those "evil" sins, and I am ok.

OK Skinski. now the whole world knows what you think.

Sadly for you, we already knew it.

Grandpa · Dec 9, 2012

Skinski7 said:

How do you explain Isaiah 53?

Isaiah 53:4-6
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Skinski7 · Dec 9, 2012

Abiding said:

There we have it you answered in favour of sin which proves you know not the Gospel.

You clearly believe that that porn watcher can still be watching porn and be saved at the same time.

Thus you believe that one can be in rebellion and saved at the same time.

Thus salvation to you has NOTHING to do with being set free from the bondage of sin (you believe freedom from bondage occurs sometime later down the road), it only has to do with being set free from the condemnation of sin. Salvation to you is PURELY ABSTRACT and has nothing to do with your conduct.

Thus grace to you COVERS the ongoing porn watching of the porn addict, just as it covers the ongoing lying, stealing, murdering, lusting, idolatry, etc.

Therefore the sinner CAN CHOOSE to WILLFULLY SIN and remain SAVED because he is covered by grace.

Therefore grace is clearly a license to sin to you.

You are forced to deny this...

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Instead you believe that you return to the Lord without having to do that and get pardoned and then some time later you can forsake those things.

Here it is even clearer...

Isa 55:7 Let the porn addict forsake his way, and the porn addict his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Here are more...

Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

The Bible clearly teaches that the forgiveness of God is conditioned on the forsaking of rebellion.

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Here is what Paul wrote...

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Yet you believe that a porn addict does not have to STOP watching porn in order to be right with God. Eph 5:1-7 is pretty clear in what it says.

People accuse me of being fixated on porn. Porn is epidemic in the church system but any willful sin of the flesh will disqualify you from the kingdom. If I used theft or lying or murder or child molestation then I would be accused of being fixated on those sins. Rebellion is rebellion and no rebel is going to enter the kingdom. Don't be deceived.

Abiding · Dec 9, 2012

i thought bad for a minute that this thread was getting sidetracted
but actually what better example could there be for the OP

Abiding · Dec 9, 2012

Skinski7 said:

There we have it you answered in favour of sin which proves you know not the Gospel.

You clearly believe that that porn watcher can still be watching porn and be saved at the same time.

Thus you believe that one can be in rebellion and saved at the same time.

Thus salvation to you has NOTHING to do with being set free from the bondage of sin (you believe freedom from bondage occurs sometime later down the road), it only has to do with being set free from the condemnation of sin. Salvation to you is PURELY ABSTRACT and has nothing to do with your conduct.

Thus grace to you COVERS the ongoing porn watching of the porn addict, just as it covers the ongoing lying, stealing, murdering, lusting, idolatry, etc.

Therefore the sinner CAN CHOOSE to WILLFULLY SIN and remain SAVED because he is covered by grace.

Therefore grace is clearly a license to sin to you.

You are forced to deny this...

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Instead you believe that you return to the Lord without having to do that and get pardoned and then some time later you can forsake those things.

Here it is even clearer...

Isa 55:7 Let the porn addict forsake his way, and the porn addict his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Here are more...

Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

The Bible clearly teaches that the forgiveness of God is conditioned on the forsaking of rebellion.

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Here is what Paul wrote...

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Yet you believe that a porn addict does not have to STOP watching porn in order to be right with God. Eph 5:1-7 is pretty clear in what it says.

People accuse me of being fixated on porn. Porn is epidemic in the church system but any willful sin of the flesh will disqualify you from the kingdom. If I used theft or lying or murder or child molestation then I would be accused of being fixated on those sins. Rebellion is rebellion and no rebel is going to enter the kingdom. Don't be deceived.

Nope i didnt say any of that.....your very strange.

Skinski7 · Dec 9, 2012

Grandpa said:

Where specifically does Isaiah 53:4-6 say that Jesus was a substitute who bore the wrath of God in your place? It doesn't say that anywhere.

He bore our griefs indeed, he carried our sorrows yes, WE ESTEEMED Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted indeed. He was most definitely wounded for our transgressions and by his stripes we are healed.

Jesus was a SIN OFFERING who was chastised by sinful men on our behalf. From the perspective of humans it looked as if he was being punished by God. God did not esteem Him stricken, WE DID (or the people tat the time). He suffered at the hands of wicked men, He WAS NOT punished by God and treated as a guilty sinner. Jesus was WITHOUT SPOT when he was offered not a mass of sin.

If Jesus did experience the wrath of God in your place and thus pay your fine then that would mean that the punishment due sin would be "physical death on a cross" because Jesus cried out "it is finished." Jesus was not sent to hell for eternity.

Jesus died on the cross as an example so that you can die with Him in repentance. Jesus also died on the cross as a sin offering whereby He offered Himself to God that we can be reconciled to God, once and for all, through the cleansing of His blood for the sins that are past.

Penal Substitution DENIES that sins are forgiven. Under Penal Substitution the sins are not forgiven, they are transferred to an innocent who is punished for them instead of the sinner. Thus an innocent is punished to excuse the guilty. There is no reconciliation with God in that for it is pure fiction and does not address the iniquity within the heart.

The iniquity within the heart is dealt with through us dying with Christ in repentance whereby we are broken before God and we put off our old man, the rebellious self-willed man. We do this and God responds by raising us up by His power to newness of life. ALL THINGS become new and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us of all our past rebellion whereby we have a clean conscience before God.

We then walk in the light as He is in the light and we grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. We don't sin or rebel less for that would be serving two masters and the old man would still be alive. No, we grow more in knowledge and understanding of the truth as we abide in Jesus Christ.

We may fall and make mistakes but we definitely don't rebel anymore. When we fall we get up, confess our sins and continue on. There is a big difference between that and selfishly serving the lusts of the flesh.

True Christian's are dead to the lusts of the flesh and they rule over those lusts through the Spirit. The body of sin is not being destroyed, it HAS BEEN destroyed. We are not beasts, we are not animals, who are subject the passions of the flesh. Rather we keep our vessels in subservience to the Spirit and keep the deeds of the body mortified. That is the life of a Christian, not this sin/repent/sin/repent heresy taught in the system.

unclefester · Dec 9, 2012

Skinski7 said:

Isaiah 53:4-6
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

One would have to be blind not to see it ... which pretty much explains your posts.

Grandpa · Dec 9, 2012

Skinski7 said:

Why was He wounded? Why was He bruised?

Not for any sin He committed. He bore our Iniquity. He took the punishment that was reserved for us, upon Himself.

As sinners we deserved death. We couldn't come before God because we were guilty.

The Lord Jesus took that guilt upon Himself and made us innocent in the eyes of God by His Sacrifice. His perfect Blood made an atonement for our Souls to God.

There is a penalty for sin. The Lord Jesus paid that penalty for You on the cross. Your debt is forgiven because the Saviour took your place.

That is substitution...

That is exactly what happened. An innocent was punished to excuse the guilty.

The Lords Sacrifice on the Cross was not meant to address iniquity within your heart. His Law, the 10 commandments, address the iniquity in your heart.

The Lords Sacrifice on the Cross was His Love shed for you for the forgiveness of your sins. Now your guilt caused by your iniquity is cast away by His Love.

The iniquity of our heart is not dealt with by our sacrifice. It is dealt with by His Sacrifice.

You don't have anything whereby your iniquity can be traded for something else. You can't purchase redemption based on your good behavior or anything else that you can do by your own work.

We come before Him because we know He Loves us because of His Sacrifice. His Love deals with our iniquity and He changes us from the inside out. He gives us a new Heart and puts His Holy Spirit inside us.

This new heart with the Holy Spirit guides us into Righteousness. This new heart desires the Truth and Goodness of the Holy Spirit. When we sin we desire to come back to Him whereas before we excused our sin through philosophy...

rassteve · Dec 9, 2012

amen brother very powerful

Crossfire · Dec 9, 2012

I keep certain people on ignore to avoid long standing arguments. However, I couldn't help but notice the following being forwarded in one of Skinski's posts:

I stand by my original statement for the following reason: while God's love & mercy toward man is indeed unconditional, grace requires faith in order to function properly (see Ephesians 2:8-10). If not, then there was no need for Christ to go to the cross. Rather, God could have more easily snapped His fingers and stated that "all is forgiven". However if that had happened, mankind would not have any clue of the lengths that God Himself is willing to go to bring man into right relationship with Himself. If not for faith how could anyone understand that grace is even available to us in the first place? Of course, faith too is a gift from God and not of man, the evidence of the Holy Spirit at work in a man.

Both unrepentant and / or ongoing sin is simply the result of a person not taking God at His word, which is nothing less than an act of faithlessness for whatever reason. Grace is always available however, in order to obtain grace a person must be willing to act in faith by believing in God's word that the penalty for all sin is indeed death and repenting of such sin (and wrong beliefs if need be) through humility and repentance.

Yes, grace will always abound however, not without faith in Christ and His word. Without His word to guide us, grace has been and will continue to be twisted and abused, becoming something that God never intended.

zone · Dec 9, 2012

unclefester said:

Isaiah 53:4-6
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

One would have to be blind not to see it ... which pretty much explains your posts.

which is why those posts should be reported.
that's not the only damnable heresy in all that spam.

rassteve · Dec 9, 2012

that's on target we also have to rember our faith with out deeds is usless jm 2 14-20

zone · Dec 9, 2012

OP:................

Crossfire said:

"The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet (have an evil desire), and any other commandment, are summed up in the single command, You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself. Love does no wrong to one’s neighbor [it never hurts anybody]. Therefore love meets all the requirements and is the fulfilling of the Law." - Romans 13: 9 - 10

These day's there seems to be a lot of confusion concerning grace and how it relates to the Law. While the 10 Commandments are still very much so a part of the Law, we are no longer under the Law but under grace. It was the 10 Commandments that were written on stone, and were referred to as "the ministry of death" in 2 Corinthians 3:7.

That doesn't mean we are lawless or law breakers, however. Jesus came to fulfill the Law. The problem was not the Law. The Law is Holy. The problem is that an external written code, one written on tablets of stone, is powerless to change the heart of men. God never gave the Law for that purpose.

The ceremonial laws were a foreshadow of Christ, Christ being the substance of those things, fulfilled that part of the Law Himself. The moral law (10 commandments) was fulfilled in Christ by love. They are also fulfilled in us, through Christ, by love as we bear the fruit of the Spirit (the first being love) through walking after the Spirit in grace.

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." - Galatians 5:14

So, it is not that we do not keep the moral law of God, but that we do not keep it by simple outward observance of the letter of the Law, that is impossible. We cannot do it! Even if we tried. We keep His commandments, by the inward transformation of our hearts as the Spirit writes the Law on our hearts and we work out what HE has worked IN us! So we are ministers of the New Covenant, "not of the letter but of the Spirit."

This is the Law of the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus, that sets us free from the Law of sin and death, that we walk in the Spirit. Romans 8:1 is a favorite verse that people love to quote half of. We often hear, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus." Why don't we quote the whole verse? The second half of that verse says, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

You cannot walk after the Spirit while breaking the moral laws of God. You cannot keep the moral laws of God without being born of the Spirit and walking after the Spirit. More importantly, you cannot think yourself saved if you choose to walk the broad path, practicing lawlessness. You will hear, "depart from Me I never knew you" because unrepentant sin is evidence that you have willingly turned your back on God and have rejected His grace by pursuing the lusts of the flesh instead of choosing to abide in the Spirit which is the reason God gives us grace in the first place. In other words, your willingness to sin is the result of you choosing the World over God, evidence of separation existing between you and God.

REAL Grace, is freedom from the bondage of sin. How do we know what sin is apart from the Law? The Law was given for a purpose, and it still serves that purpose: "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!"

"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them." - 1 John 2:9-11

"Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister." - 1st John 4: 11 - 21

Crossfire · Dec 9, 2012

I believe that this is where many get confused. First let me say that without conviction from the Holy Spirit, repentance would be impossible. Repentance, like faith, is not a work of man but rather man's response to the Holy Spirit's work in a man.

Secondly, sin does not cause separation between God and man. Rather, sin the result of heart that is already being lured astray by the desires of the flesh and the lusts of this world. Sin will in fact occur when we fail to abide in Christ for we can do nothing apart from Him. Grace is always available to those who are willing to hold God at His word. Yes, forgiveness for sin is always granted when we are willing to humble ourselves before the throne of grace. However, scripture also states that grace has made available help for us in our time need / temptation.

If a person struggles with some sort of sin, they should never allow guilt or condemnation to drive a wedge between them and God. Rather, they can be rest assured that God is more than willing to forgive. After all, we can do nothing apart from God. Keeping this in mind, if we are ever going to be set free from a certain sin, that freedom can only be found in God also. This my brother's and sisters is the very essence of "Waking in Spirit".

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee." - Isaiah 26:3

(*See Hebrews 14:14-16, 1 John 3: 19-24, John 15:1-17, Galatians 5)

zone · Dec 9, 2012

Crossfire said:

Crossfire:
your thread has been used by another poster to put forth the idea that Jesus did not die on the Cross, at the very Hand of God to pay for our sins.

that God Himself did not cause Jesus to suffer the price for our sin - wrath and death.

that God's wrath for/against sin (which is committed by sinners, not Jesus) was not dealt with on The Cross, God's wrath against sin laid on Jesus on our behalf.

in other words, Substitutionary Atonement is being denied in your thread.

do you agree with those ideas (i don't think you do, just want to be sure).
zone

crossfire may have me on ignore (not sure)...could someone neutral ask him this question if you feel its appropriate?

Crossfire · Dec 9, 2012

God does not require anything from us that He Himself has not already provided for us:

2 Peter 1: 2-10

2 May grace (God’s favor) and peace (which is perfect well-being, all necessary good, all spiritual prosperity, and freedom from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts) be multiplied to you in [the full, personal, precise, and correct] knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

3 For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).

4 By means of these He has bestowed on us His precious and exceedingly great promises, so that through them you may escape [by flight] from the moral decay (rottenness and corruption) that is in the world because of covetousness (lust and greed), and become sharers (partakers) of the divine nature.

5 For this very reason, adding your diligence [to the divine promises], employ every effort in exercising your faith to develop virtue (excellence, resolution, Christian energy), and in [exercising] virtue [develop] knowledge (intelligence),

6 And in [exercising] knowledge [develop] self-control, and in [exercising] self-control [develop] steadfastness (patience, endurance), and in [exercising] steadfastness [develop] godliness (piety),

7 And in [exercising] godliness [develop] brotherly affection, and in [exercising] brotherly affection [develop] Christian love.

8 For as these qualities are yours and increasingly abound in you, they will keep [you] from being idle or unfruitful unto the [full personal] knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

9 For whoever lacks these qualities is blind, [spiritually] shortsighted, seeing only what is near to him, and has become oblivious [to the fact] that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Because of this, brethren, be all the more solicitous and eager to make sure (to ratify, to strengthen, to make steadfast) your calling and election; for if you do this, you will never stumble or fall.

Tommy4Christ · Dec 11, 2012

unclefester said:

Surely, you cannot take one scripture out of context to prove a false teaching, very dangerious to do, way too much evidence against penal substitution!
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The Hebrew language is figurative, not like the Greek that has very precise meanings. This phrase in Isa53 is also figurative, look it up in Blue letter, click on the the Hebrew translation in verse 6 The word is used all through the OT in various ways that has nothing to do with Sub or someone baring the actual guilt of another. That God caused this to happen also does not prove Sub, it can also support Ransom, He took on our sins on our behalf.....that would line up with NT teaching, Not in our place 'anti' but on our behalf, 'huper' Remember, both sides have always used this Isa passage to prove their theology, dating back to the reformation. The Sub approach is error from beginning to end and it doesn't follow anything that Jesus taught
Their entire theology is based on this single supposition, that Christ is man's Substitute, and all it does is negate the Gospel of repentance and faith proven by deeds.

hopesprings · Dec 11, 2012

Skinski7 said:

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
9 And they made his grave with the wicked
and with a rich man in his death,
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
he has put him to grief;[g]
when his soul makes[h] an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see[i] and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,[j]
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,[k]
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Isa. 53:7-12

Tommy4Christ · Dec 11, 2012

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Another thought that fits into the Ransom, Surly God accepted His sacrifice on our behalf, not by making Him sin, but purchasing the redeemed by His blood. With Penal its Christ also becoming sin, and that's easily refuted by passages in NT that say He was blameless and there was no sin in Him.

Jesus never became sin on the cross, or was blackened for our iniquity, He was blameless, a sin offering, to set us free from the bondages of sin, but we have our part to do in repentance. Penal negates this!

So you cannot take a snippet of scripture here and there to try and defend your saved In sin gospel, which totally negates repentance and faith proven by deeds.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

The blood purges the connscience from dead works, not take the wrath of God in your place because you are a depreved sinner unable to stop your rebellion to God! Jesus offered Himself without spot or blemish. Not a wrath substitute for us, you sin wilfully against God, His wrath is upon you, and you must do your first works, repent and seek His mercy.

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