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I think its important for you who are trying to prove penal substitution, to learn what it means to be reconciled to God, you can try anq prove your point with isolated scriptures, but lets dig deep, search the word, and see this is a false teaching.
Courtesy, standingthegap.org:
In Apostolic times the disciples preached the Ministry of Reconciliation, which consisted of Repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts20:21) Christ Commanded that this Ministry be preached to all Nations, beginning in Jerusalem.. (Lk24:47) The Disciples were Eye Witnesses of these things and Obeyed to the Letter! They DID NOT Reason in their minds that the Covenant of Grace suddenly meant God was no longer concerned with sin because everything had been taken care of on the Cross. They Did Not travel the Country side telling people to Trust in the finished Work of Jesus Christ for their Salvation. Nor Did they EVER imply to ANYONE that their Future Sins were Already forgiven in Advance. Yet today THIS is the COMMON Message of so-called ‘Christian’ Ministers!
The Apostles Ministry was Simply Repentance and Faith BOTH PROVEN by DEEDS! (Acts26:18-20)
They NEVER Separated the Deeds from the Act because they Clearly understood the Nature of Divine Reconciliation. That it was NOT Based on some kind of Substitution or mysterious transfer taking place, BUT a Restoration of Favor determined on CONDITIONS! God had Granted man ‘Favor’ (Grace) so he could now Approach the Mercy Seat of ‘Reconciliation’ on CONDITION of a Repentance that included NOT Merely a ‘Change’ of Mind, but most important a STOPPING of Sin!
In this a Reconciliation between God and man could take place based on a CLEARING OF WRONG DOING. (2Cor7:10-11) Literally, ‘To Sit again with’ was established. (which is the clear meaning of the word) The Wronged Party (God) offered (Granted) the Guilty party (You!) an opportunity to Clear the Slate and Start over. The Wrong Doing (Sin) is satisfied (appeased) by the Blood of Christ. (The Sinless Victim) The Blood is applied to Penitent Soul to PURGE the Conscience and Purity the Heart. (Heb9:14)
Anything Short of this and Salvation or Redemption becomes a NOTION or something accepted in the Mind or intellect, but NOTHING Really changes inside. This is Why so many people who consider themselves Christians on the way to heaven, covered by Grace and forgiven in advance, remain Vile and Contrary to the Bible. To them the ‘Atonement’ (reconciliation) happened at ‘one time’ (Long ago) and thereby satisfied God’s Wrath against sin by making Jesus sin, punishing Him and then Transferring the Accomplishment He Provided to anyone who TRUSTS that it has taken place.
Therefore the Necessity of ‘Reconciliation’ by Clearing yourself of Wrong Doing is NO longer required. The Person is Forgiven by Virtue of what has been PROVIDED, NOT by meeting any CONDITIONS set forth by God. The Concept of ‘Atonement’ (and the word) had to be INVENTED in order to Support this, otherwise man would be subjected to a prolonged Crisis of Conviction for his sins and a Season of godly sorrow during his efforts to become CLEAR of the Wrong Doing.
Although these are the EXACT DEEDS Spoken of in the Bible as the Ministry of Reconciliation, man has chosen another path to Redemption that renders these things Null and Void. Under the Corrupted System ‘Repentance’ (if mentioned at all) becomes ‘Confession’ of sinfulness and Faith is a Passive Trust that Jesus Paid the Price for your sins. The STOPPING of Sin is not an issue, only the Trust. Clearing and Restitution are therefore OUT of the question and condemned as WORKS! The DEEDS of Repentance and Faith are In effect thrown to the Wind and with it the Ministry of Reconciliation.
Man Must be Reconciled to God. (Not God to man) God CANNOT Extend His Forgiveness for Sin while you Continue in it. If Sin can be Forgiven ‘In Process’ (as most people believe) the WORD ‘Reconciliation’ would have to be Removed from the Scriptures----or (better yet) Re-Defined to Mean:
‘Covered at One Time!’ In this Manner the Death of Christ is not a ‘Sin Offering’ Granted to give man a chance to be Reconciled on Condition of Repentance, BUT a ‘Provision’ that includes a Transfer of the sin from you to Christ and automatic forgiveness of sin, Past, Present and Future!
Thus the Word: ‘Atonement’ was invented to facilitate this error in the early 1500’s by William Tyndale, a
Protestant reformer from England, who naturally despised the teaching of Catholicism that required Acts of ‘Reparation’ (making amends, restitution, clearing) BEFORE forgiveness could be Granted. The early Protestants saw this as an un-necessary part of Redemption because the Sacrifice of Christ had (in their minds) Already Provided the means (or works) as part of His Death on the Cross. Faith (or Trust) was the ONLY necessary element required of man to partake of this Great Gift and be Saved.
The Great Error on BOTH SIDES was Substituting the DEEDS of Repentance with Something entirely un-Biblical that God NEVER intended. For the Catholics they Replaced the DEEDS with RITUALS such as Praying the Rosary to Clear the sins, NOT the Actual STOPPING of the Sin. The Protestants eliminated the Need for ANY DEEDS Whatsoever by Inventing the Notion that Christ PROVIDED it for them! Thus the Sin NEVER Stopped, but the person was forgiven nonetheless.
This Corruption of the Ministry of Reconciliation has Deep Roots in Christian history. As far back as the eleventh century a theologian named Anselm, developed the ‘satisfaction’ theory. Which views God as a Holy Sovereign ruler to which mankind owes a debt because of sin. Therefore as a King He could forgive this great debt but NOT without doing great harm to His Kingdom. The Debt had to be SATISFIED Before Pardon could be granted. That’s where the Penal Substitution of Christ came in. He Received the Punishment Due the Sinner and thereby Satisfied the Wrath of God once and for all, by becoming Sin and being Cursed. They took this further into Error by adding the LOVE dimension to it not long after in the twelfth century. Here God in His Great Love for mankind (John3:16) Sacrificed His Only Son on the Cross as a Moral influence toward man to motivate him into service out of Gratitude for this Great Act.
ALL of this is a Far Cry from the Ministry of Reconciliation Taught by the Apostles in the early church. To them Repentance was a Scrubbing, Clearing and Casting out of Doors all defilement, ignorance and sin, BEFORE Pardon could be Granted and the Holy Spirit given. Saint Mark called Christ’s Sacrifice a ‘Ransom for many’ (Mk10:45) Whether he meant this in a metaphoric sense that God Purchased the Souls of man from the bondage of sin, or literally paid Ransom to Satan is not known. The early Disciples who followed the Original Apostles were mixed in their understanding of this passage. But during the first two hundred odd years of Christian Preaching, the Reconciliation was the means by which God could rescue man from the Corrupting influence of sin by freeing him from its bondage.
What man has done by Corrupting the clear definition of the Reconciliation is seal his own Doom. He has placed himself in a position where God CANNOT Save him. He is ‘Alienated’ from touching the Blood of Christ and has in effect Trampled it to the ground! Genuine Repentance is Impossible because people are coming to God Pre-supposing that He will Pardoned their sins in PROCESS! The Preachers make EVERY Effort to PROVE this Fallacy Twenty Four Hours a Day and the ENTIRE System has been Corrupted to Support the Lie.
The Truth is Very Simple and Can Free you from the Bondage and Addiction of Sin. But for the Most Part it has been Hidden from this present generation. Christ said only a FEW would find the Narrow Path to Eternal life and Many would not be able. The first step you need to take is OUT of the Corrupted System you are in and into the WORD of God. The longer you remain under the influence of these lies, the LESS likely it is you will EVER be Saved. If you Don’t Care Already, God help you before it’s too late.
Courtesy, standingthegap.org:
The Ministry of Reconciliation!
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation 2Cor5:18
The Apostles Ministry was Simply Repentance and Faith BOTH PROVEN by DEEDS! (Acts26:18-20)
They NEVER Separated the Deeds from the Act because they Clearly understood the Nature of Divine Reconciliation. That it was NOT Based on some kind of Substitution or mysterious transfer taking place, BUT a Restoration of Favor determined on CONDITIONS! God had Granted man ‘Favor’ (Grace) so he could now Approach the Mercy Seat of ‘Reconciliation’ on CONDITION of a Repentance that included NOT Merely a ‘Change’ of Mind, but most important a STOPPING of Sin!
In this a Reconciliation between God and man could take place based on a CLEARING OF WRONG DOING. (2Cor7:10-11) Literally, ‘To Sit again with’ was established. (which is the clear meaning of the word) The Wronged Party (God) offered (Granted) the Guilty party (You!) an opportunity to Clear the Slate and Start over. The Wrong Doing (Sin) is satisfied (appeased) by the Blood of Christ. (The Sinless Victim) The Blood is applied to Penitent Soul to PURGE the Conscience and Purity the Heart. (Heb9:14)
Anything Short of this and Salvation or Redemption becomes a NOTION or something accepted in the Mind or intellect, but NOTHING Really changes inside. This is Why so many people who consider themselves Christians on the way to heaven, covered by Grace and forgiven in advance, remain Vile and Contrary to the Bible. To them the ‘Atonement’ (reconciliation) happened at ‘one time’ (Long ago) and thereby satisfied God’s Wrath against sin by making Jesus sin, punishing Him and then Transferring the Accomplishment He Provided to anyone who TRUSTS that it has taken place.
Therefore the Necessity of ‘Reconciliation’ by Clearing yourself of Wrong Doing is NO longer required. The Person is Forgiven by Virtue of what has been PROVIDED, NOT by meeting any CONDITIONS set forth by God. The Concept of ‘Atonement’ (and the word) had to be INVENTED in order to Support this, otherwise man would be subjected to a prolonged Crisis of Conviction for his sins and a Season of godly sorrow during his efforts to become CLEAR of the Wrong Doing.
Although these are the EXACT DEEDS Spoken of in the Bible as the Ministry of Reconciliation, man has chosen another path to Redemption that renders these things Null and Void. Under the Corrupted System ‘Repentance’ (if mentioned at all) becomes ‘Confession’ of sinfulness and Faith is a Passive Trust that Jesus Paid the Price for your sins. The STOPPING of Sin is not an issue, only the Trust. Clearing and Restitution are therefore OUT of the question and condemned as WORKS! The DEEDS of Repentance and Faith are In effect thrown to the Wind and with it the Ministry of Reconciliation.
Man Must be Reconciled to God. (Not God to man) God CANNOT Extend His Forgiveness for Sin while you Continue in it. If Sin can be Forgiven ‘In Process’ (as most people believe) the WORD ‘Reconciliation’ would have to be Removed from the Scriptures----or (better yet) Re-Defined to Mean:
‘Covered at One Time!’ In this Manner the Death of Christ is not a ‘Sin Offering’ Granted to give man a chance to be Reconciled on Condition of Repentance, BUT a ‘Provision’ that includes a Transfer of the sin from you to Christ and automatic forgiveness of sin, Past, Present and Future!
Thus the Word: ‘Atonement’ was invented to facilitate this error in the early 1500’s by William Tyndale, a
Protestant reformer from England, who naturally despised the teaching of Catholicism that required Acts of ‘Reparation’ (making amends, restitution, clearing) BEFORE forgiveness could be Granted. The early Protestants saw this as an un-necessary part of Redemption because the Sacrifice of Christ had (in their minds) Already Provided the means (or works) as part of His Death on the Cross. Faith (or Trust) was the ONLY necessary element required of man to partake of this Great Gift and be Saved.
The Great Error on BOTH SIDES was Substituting the DEEDS of Repentance with Something entirely un-Biblical that God NEVER intended. For the Catholics they Replaced the DEEDS with RITUALS such as Praying the Rosary to Clear the sins, NOT the Actual STOPPING of the Sin. The Protestants eliminated the Need for ANY DEEDS Whatsoever by Inventing the Notion that Christ PROVIDED it for them! Thus the Sin NEVER Stopped, but the person was forgiven nonetheless.
This Corruption of the Ministry of Reconciliation has Deep Roots in Christian history. As far back as the eleventh century a theologian named Anselm, developed the ‘satisfaction’ theory. Which views God as a Holy Sovereign ruler to which mankind owes a debt because of sin. Therefore as a King He could forgive this great debt but NOT without doing great harm to His Kingdom. The Debt had to be SATISFIED Before Pardon could be granted. That’s where the Penal Substitution of Christ came in. He Received the Punishment Due the Sinner and thereby Satisfied the Wrath of God once and for all, by becoming Sin and being Cursed. They took this further into Error by adding the LOVE dimension to it not long after in the twelfth century. Here God in His Great Love for mankind (John3:16) Sacrificed His Only Son on the Cross as a Moral influence toward man to motivate him into service out of Gratitude for this Great Act.
ALL of this is a Far Cry from the Ministry of Reconciliation Taught by the Apostles in the early church. To them Repentance was a Scrubbing, Clearing and Casting out of Doors all defilement, ignorance and sin, BEFORE Pardon could be Granted and the Holy Spirit given. Saint Mark called Christ’s Sacrifice a ‘Ransom for many’ (Mk10:45) Whether he meant this in a metaphoric sense that God Purchased the Souls of man from the bondage of sin, or literally paid Ransom to Satan is not known. The early Disciples who followed the Original Apostles were mixed in their understanding of this passage. But during the first two hundred odd years of Christian Preaching, the Reconciliation was the means by which God could rescue man from the Corrupting influence of sin by freeing him from its bondage.
What man has done by Corrupting the clear definition of the Reconciliation is seal his own Doom. He has placed himself in a position where God CANNOT Save him. He is ‘Alienated’ from touching the Blood of Christ and has in effect Trampled it to the ground! Genuine Repentance is Impossible because people are coming to God Pre-supposing that He will Pardoned their sins in PROCESS! The Preachers make EVERY Effort to PROVE this Fallacy Twenty Four Hours a Day and the ENTIRE System has been Corrupted to Support the Lie.
The Truth is Very Simple and Can Free you from the Bondage and Addiction of Sin. But for the Most Part it has been Hidden from this present generation. Christ said only a FEW would find the Narrow Path to Eternal life and Many would not be able. The first step you need to take is OUT of the Corrupted System you are in and into the WORD of God. The longer you remain under the influence of these lies, the LESS likely it is you will EVER be Saved. If you Don’t Care Already, God help you before it’s too late.