Healing: A Question to Ponder

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Secondtimearound, as a young Christian now 27 yrs ago, I was raised Dutch Reformed but came to personal faith at 19, I went to the a cessasionist Baptist church for the first seven years and we back then weren't consistent in application with this verse as we applied for today. The greater works the 3000 as Pentecost etc etc. They anointed two people in 20 yrs back then only because they were on their deathbed and it says, you have to call the elders so much be deadly sick, and guess, what they both were "healed" and went to heaven. I am happy Jesus never had that experience when He laid hands on :) I was radical but the lack of knowledge destroyed me so to speak and only years later when I met my wife who was raised in a faith home and received her first WOK when she was just six, I learned more and knowledge is power. And yes, it is true..

The truth will set you free, but it first will make you mad!
 
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He has lots of doctors right now. I think I'll wait until rehab to worry about that one, but... ahhh nuts! (His blood pressure is too low now, and yet I've already been told that doesn't mean it won't get too high again, when he's feeling better. I'm too much of an optimist. lol)
 
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In my case it might take a couple of books of stamps.
Growing up, next to the junk drawer in the kitchen was a drawer full of those. We got really excited when Mom finally collected enough to get something for free -- the first electric grill lighter. Now they're just disposable Bics with an extended arm.
 
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Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds,
(Jas 1:2)


I'll throw sickness into that ...but I'll keep myself out:p
Do you have any idea how often that verse has come to mind in the last three months? I never made the Joy grade.
 
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60s/70s would be my guess? About 3 years ago I went through some of my mom's old stuff and found about 35,000 S&H stamps worth. We use to collect and redeem back in the day.

Besides the man's hair style, that whole type of illustration style reminds me of the early 70s with the hippie influence. I got stuck with one of those (page boy?) haircuts in the early 70s.

I think the earlier versions of the booklet had no illustrations at all?
S & H was still around in the 70's? Wow.
 
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As I said, not trying to put forth new age concepts but its like Christ died on the cross for your sins, right? In order for you to obtain (/actualize) that forgiveness it required faith. In the same way healing takes faith (depending upon circumstances).
Obtain. (hyperlink to definition.)
Actualize.
I'll obtain Dad's inheritance some day.
My grandmother's inheritance was actualized in the down payment to our home.

Same ball park. Different meanings. Communications degree. Words very much matter to me.

And, I get what you've been saying with the whole faith thing. Do I really have faith in a chair if I don't dare sit in it? No! But my faith in God was given to me by God, and through it I do dare sit in him. I do trust him. I'm still disabled. If God wanted me healed, I'd be heal. He does not, and never has, needed my consent to do something for me or to me. He, eventually, just gets me where he wants me to be when he wants me to be there. Before I was a believer and now. (I'm also reformed, so believe in predestination too. lol)
 
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Gr8grace

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I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHIN SPECIAL ABOUT YOU!!!
You know, you can always come back.... Once ya been here it goes with ya everywhere till you get that feeling wwaaayy down deep sayin "Texas is callin".....
I do need to be healed of my affliction of never being in Texas.:p

I gotta get down there someday. I bailed at the last minute on an archery hunt for hogs a few years ago. Gotta do it at some point.
 
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Keep in mind, that not all healing is associated with the faith of the sick person. There are exceptions, such as a dead man rising (he had no faith, he's dead), a person praying for another person in faith (its the faith of the one praying, not the sick), and sometimes God in His mercy just steps in irregardless of faith but acts in His compassion.
For the bolded part... and sometimes he doesn't? Or there are other reasons besides that that God heals? Or the other healings based on something other than God? I thought all healing was God's compassion.

I'm just getting to the point of wondering if death isn't God's compassion too -- speaking of the death of believers. (No idea about the death of nonbelievers.)
 
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Txroads

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I do need to be healed of my affliction of never being in Texas.:p

I gotta get down there someday. I bailed at the last minute on an archery hunt for hogs a few years ago. Gotta do it at some point.
Oh we got some hogs.... Hehe.... Try some a them King Ranch javalinas... NOW THAT'S bow huntin..... And yes you do need to be healed...... Aawww....mmm...i can... Feel it.... Feel it..... LET ME LAY HANDS ON YA!!...
 
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Some people here are of the belief that you have to have faith, or even just a certain amount, to be healed. I simply don't believe that. I think anyone, whether they have faith or not, can be healed if they just BELIEVE they can be. Some here have had the audacity to tell me that I'm not healed because of my level of faith. Some have even had the nerve to tell me that my epilepsy isn't real, but that I'm possessed by demons!! :mad: I mean, c'mon now, really? lol... I have a spirit but it ain't possessed by demons, and neither are my (or anyone else's) health problems. ;) Having an epileptic fit, and throwing a demonic tantrum are two entirely different things..
I don't get this. Do you not now or ever "believe" God can heal you?
 
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​I'm pretty sure God is willing to heal ANYONE. I don't think he picks and chooses, "okay you're healed, she's healed, but nope sorry he isn't healed". He would be selective in his healing if he did that, and God doesn't play favorites. :)
He is selective in his healing. (If he wasn't, everyone would be healthy.) It's merely not based on favoritism. It's based on his will.
 
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In the case of Lazarus, it was done primarily for God's glory and to demonstrate His power, even over DEATH! Praise him name!

It may have involved Lazarus sisters' faith, but I think more so it was just Jesus' love for them. To restore their brother to them. As you say.

They complained to Jesus that if only he had come a few days earlier then this would not have happened. They obviously had 'healing faith' but apparently not 'resurrection faith'. (WHO did at that point!?) Still, it was because of the plans and purposes of the Lord that events unfolded the way they did. Jesus intentionally waited to go there until Lazarus was in the grave.
Isn't God healing someone every time "done primarily for God's glory and to demonstrate His power?"
 
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Gr8grace

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Oh we got some hogs.... Hehe.... Try some a them King Ranch javalinas... NOW THAT'S bow huntin..... And yes you do need to be healed...... Aawww....mmm...i can... Feel it.... Feel it..... LET ME LAY HANDS ON YA!!...
From the stories of my buddies.......they were glad/thankful they were in tree stands!
 
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​Grace777, yup, a few dingbats here have told me I'm demon possessed. I was like, dude, seriously you need to educate yourself on the difference between epilepsy and demon possession. :rolleyes: lol.. Of course, I think they may have been smokin' something when they said that to me.. ;)
As an expert on smoking most of what people smoke somewhere in my life, don't blame the drugs. That one wouldn't enter my mind even back when my tobacky was whacky. lol
 
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​That's the thing. I DON'T doubt that God can heal me, nor do I disbelieve it. I KNOW he can. :) lol, some here need an exorcist, but not me, I'm demon free..lol ;)
Okay, what's that vague music in the back of my head? I'm hearing bells. I think it was the soundtrack music from The Exorcist but that was so long ago only faint bells are playing in the back of my head.

Anyone remember the name of that music? I'm not even sure it had bells.
 
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secondtimearound

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Secondtimearound, as a young Christian now 27 yrs ago, I was raised Dutch Reformed but came to personal faith at 19, I went to the a cessasionist Baptist church for the first seven years and we back then weren't consistent in application with this verse as we applied for today. The greater works the 3000 as Pentecost etc etc. They anointed two people in 20 yrs back then only because they were on their deathbed and it says, you have to call the elders so much be deadly sick, and guess, what they both were "healed" and went to heaven. I am happy Jesus never had that experience when He laid hands on :) I was radical but the lack of knowledge destroyed me so to speak and only years later when I met my wife who was raised in a faith home and received her first WOK when she was just six, I learned more and knowledge is power. And yes, it is true..

The truth will set you free, but it first will make you mad!
I was saved into the Charismatic movement. So my earliest experience was all about these gifts. "What gifts do you have?" "Must have some gifts." And so on.

I think they over emphasize them sometimes. Then later, I sort of rebounded back past the neutral center and got very strict about word studies. A bible church. Word and only more Word. No more goofing around and sit quietly still.

It is fascinating that you mention your wife's experience at that age. I came to faith at 18. But when I was about 6 there was an event that I will never forget. My mom left us kids alone at home. It was the 60s. No big deal!

My brother and I were in our backyard playing baseball with the neighborhood kids. There was a disputed call at 2nd base and an argument ensued. So one of the neighborhood kids picked up second base, which was a plank of wood with two nails in it on one and swung it at my brother. The nails caught him just below his eye and slit him wide open. He was bleeding very badly. While still standing there for a few seconds shocked and not knowing what to do, I looked up and my great grandmother was suddenly there. It was a small town and she lived about 10 minutes away.

She drove him to get medical help. Later on the adults were discussing this and they asked how she knew to come to our house or why did she? She said "I don't know? I just felt really strongly that I needed to go there." She was an old conservative Lutheran. She was not seeking signs or gifts or anything like that. I am not certain, but I do not think that they believe in such things??

But if you have not already done the math in your head, she HAD to have received this 'impression' and driven, or started driving, BEFORE my brother even got hit! Yeah... me too. :eek:

I am not sure if she ever fully appreciated what happened that day? All she would ever say is I left in such a hurry I forgot to turn off the water hose that she was watering the garden with when she got the impression. Returning, hours later, the garden was now a 'pond'. So she would just get embarrassed about that. And people would express amazement and ask what about the boy? And, always practical as she was, she would just say "he needed to go the doctor" and really say no more.

She witnessed a miracle, no... she PARTICIPATED in a miracle, and all she worried about was over watering the garden. LOL

But there was no way this was a mere coincidence. She said she got a strong 'impression'. (exactly how does one describe such events?) And that conservative old German Lutheran woman may not have gone around calling down fire from Heaven, but she did not tell lies!

I don't know if this is a 'gift', but it was something supernatural. And I think it would fall under the category of gifts.

She 'laid hands' on him... when picking him up and putting him into the car to drive to the doctors office! So no miraculous healing. Not even attempted. But everything we needed to take care of the situation was provided. And in a timely manner.

If it were up to me, I might trade gifts for escaping the ramifications of that ominous biblical passage. But it is not up to me.

God bless.
 
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I understand what Ladybug said. Over the years, many Christians have told me that I'm demon possessed because I have Epilepsy along with depression. They have told me to stop taking taking medication and pray for God to cast out my demons.
Same manure bipolars hear, and, sadly, often believe, so they do it.
 
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Gr8grace

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Hey folks... How is everybody..... I was wonderin if I could put in my wooden nickle worth of sense..... This is a very interesting subject and I was wonderin if I could come in from a different direction although I think it's already been touched on...... So..... Faith and faith in healing...... This is my view.........
Today's society, especially the " gentiles".....are today's "Israel" walkin in the desert for 40 years....even if they saw the signs and wonders how long would it last for some of them?. Truly....there are some whose faith is everything to them...God needs them to reach those who "will not stay" and those "yet to come"....he tried so many different ways to reach his people....they same today.....he knows how certain people can be reached and what it takes.... Apostle Paul "the thorn in his side" yet he preached and proclaimed the word in his faith....i don't think he was the only one that knew about the "thorn in his side"..im sure there were countless others yet they say it did not move his faith... Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the LORD and when he touched the socket of his hip he became lame and needed a crutch to help him....but because of his hip, an entire race will not eat the part of the hip where that tendon was......those of us with physical afflictions are beautiful.. Glorious children of God that were given the type of faith to reach only those that we can reach... Because of our "afflictions" we are in places that are desperate for God's word where people without those afflictions would not go..... God is a wonderful Father.....His reasoning and plans are far beyond anything we could ever imagine.....i do not think we do not have "enough faith" to be healed..... I think some of us have a very special calling.....
And Tex.

This is a great answer. many, many ,many believers will just become bitter in their affliction.

only a few will see it as privilege and opportunity.